Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]

[bugspray]

and this math does make a lot of assumtpions:
1) enchant is town
2) the alignment of every other player is not known

and for me i cannot prove those assumtpitons are true



pediet: the math is literlaly just a sequence of yolotrusts and previously due to bad math i thought it was under 7% that enchant trusting randomly on day2 after doing it successfully on day 1 would be good both times if we look at those random events happening in order but honestly the idea of using math to prove something in a game of mafia is fucking stupid i even had my signature be that at one point before the misgenderins became too much

[humaneatingmonkey]

anyway, i hope you all consider to keep bugs in the game even as i walk out with enchant.

bugs, what do you think about me leaving with enchant? do you still scumread her?

[bugspray]

i was highlighting the risk from the perspecive of someone who doesn't know my alignment how is this so hard to understand

[humaneatingmonkey]

what for

[chavela]

they could have thought it was scummy for either/both of you consider doing this, no?

[bugspray]

what for

read my signature

[Kuriyama]

i dont see why scum!bugs even tries to dissuade town!enchant from trusting bugs in the first place if that is what you are saying bugs tried to do?

[humaneatingmonkey]

im saying bugs and enchant could be a team.

[Kuriyama]

ok but now you think enchant is town so ?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think that's why i'm leaving the game too. to put my solve to the test, and if it really was a shitty solve, then at least you cool kids can clean up nicely.

[Meuh]

Bugs shouldn’t be concerned about being partnered (if they’re town) and so by being concerned, they’re scummy?

yes exactly

i think it's a perspective slip where bugs didn't realize they were supposed to be town. bugs was highlighting the chance that enchant would hit mafia by trusting them. there was no chance to hit mafia if they were town.

I just don’t really see why Bug’s posts couldn’t just be them trying to prove Enchant’s logic to be faulty, in case Enchant wanted to double yolotrust as an approach to the game? If Bug has expressed this perspective without it being a response to Enchant’s gameplay I think it’d be pretty scummy but when the point of it is to prove Enchant’s plan is bad, I don’t think it’s unrealistic for them to present a world in which they aren’t town?

PEdit: Yeah Bug just made this point

[chavela]

i think that's why i'm leaving the game too. to put my solve to the test, and if it really was a shitty solve, then at least you cool kids can clean up nicely.

wait can you answer question on

enchant’s towniness compared to the worst please? or again if you already did i may have missed it sorry

[chavela]

because there are a lot of potential enchant partners not one if enchant flips mafia

[Kuriyama]

shiki if you are really worried about Enchant!scum you should pick 2 people to leave because we are running out of time

[humaneatingmonkey]

i thought kuriyama made good observations about norwee's slot. i think enchant is a good exit for me here, regardless if enchant is scum or not. i think there's a net positive chance that enchant is town here.

[chavela]

i would put that forth before i am going to be absent again

[chavela]

i thought kuriyama made good observations about norwee's slot. i think enchant is a good exit for me here, regardless if enchant is scum or not. i think there's a net positive chance that enchant is town here.

wait could you reiterate those observations for me

sorry to be a pain

[humaneatingmonkey]

bugs, what do you think about me leaving with enchant? do you still scumread her?

bugs bugs

[humaneatingmonkey]

i thought kuriyama made good observations about norwee's slot. i think enchant is a good exit for me here, regardless if enchant is scum or not. i think there's a net positive chance that enchant is town here.

wait could you reiterate those observations for me

sorry to be a pain

norwee felt fake to me too. i also thought that he was going for the exit when he asked enchant if she was willing to accept him. he was signaling that. even though he said he wanted to stay. i dont think it was a reaction test.

[chavela]

shiki if you are really worried about Enchant!scum you should pick 2 people to leave because we are running out of time

also 29 hours so rush isn’t extreme or anything think we’re still a long ways off of when humaneatingmonkey said would trust enchant

[Kuriyama]

not everyone will be online on a Sunday.

good night

[chavela]

i thought kuriyama made good observations about norwee's slot. i think enchant is a good exit for me here, regardless if enchant is scum or not. i think there's a net positive chance that enchant is town here.

wait could you reiterate those observations for me

sorry to be a pain

norwee felt fake to me too. i also thought that he was going for the exit when he asked enchant if she was willing to accept him. he was signaling that. even though he said he wanted to stay. i dont think it was a reaction test.

hm, current thoughts on kuriyama?

[humaneatingmonkey]

hm, current thoughts on kuriyama?

i thought they were pretty townie

bullying someone to replacement isn't top-tier trust fall scum play

[humaneatingmonkey]

plus, tris wasn't excited to play this game too much. i'm counting that as AI.

[humaneatingmonkey]

chav dont suddenly trust me from out of nowhere mmkay