Mini Theme 2264: Fusion Upick | Post Game

[Enchant]

There's little hope we have.

Mafia more likely to receive role than benefits them and vice versa.

If we look at Flea, seems like mafia claims truthfully. They knoe what picks are fusion FOR reason, to make up fakeclaim. They didn't bother seems.

I will be honest with ya, but i didn't believe Toog claim, nor Flea. No, not like that with Toog, i mean VIP. Blatant lie, town couldn't receive these kind of roles.
About Flea... Well. it looks neutral, but when Flea survived, i realised how fucked this claim. Slip literally didn't matter much, just saved some time.

Need just to collect everything in list and think who would screw up. I of course could do, but it's deep night and when it's deep night i turn even more stupid, i need sleep

[Enchant]

Alright, why do that as Town then?

Cuz town dumb and don't knoe mafia elelefl

[Noraa]

Alright, why do that as Town then?

because i misunderstood dwlee's claim. and no, i wouldn't do that as scum.

[Noraa]

i mean ok fine i do think that radical is probably town but im bashing them anyways because their arguments are dumb.

[Enchant]

If that's not Noraa/RT, then it's CSF/Almost obviously.

Remember when we killed... Who we killed d1 again he gived gun on random and also said that Almost50 is mafia confirmed, and after that on next day everyone was like "Hm Almost is town" and then literally forgot this happening

[Noraa]

and also the shit about "oh no why would i point out that my scum buddy is guiltied" is just bad
because scum misstep as well. theres no reason it can't be something scum is more self conscious about. trying to lessen a scumslips damage by pointing it out first and semi-clearing yourself is nothing impossible.

we look at the situation in hindsight and know that oh hey it wasnt obvious that it was a slip. but to scum, seeing that post is not gonna be the same because scum is ALWAYS self conscious about theri buddies. unless your name is pooky and no one here is pooky.

[Radical Rat]

Alright, why do that as Town then?

because i misunderstood dwlee's claim. and no, i wouldn't do that as scum.

But that's the whole problem here. Town misunderstanding Dwlee's claim the way you did, I would expect to still take it as a guilty. However, you took it as a way to save Flea, which only makes sense to me if you're approaching the situation with the predetermined goal of saving Flea. It's technically possible you did that as Town, it just makes more sense from scum.

Similarly, me pointing out the guilty could have theoretically happened as scum. But it makes less sense to do as scum than it does as Town.

However, there is one more scum out there, so I am willing to shift my focus for now...

[Radical Rat]

Enchant is pretty much locktown for me right now.

So that leaves CSF/A50...

Both of which I townread, which means I'm wrong on at least one of them. If I absolutely must choose, I would say A50, but I really do have like. No confidence here.

[Noraa]

it just makes more sense from scum.

no it doesnt.

[Enchant]

Anyone who's been paying more attention than me have a list of known possible fusions and submissions at this point?

Known claims:

Miller + Innocent VIP(?) = Noraa
Vengeful + Gunsmith = Roden
Lightning Rod + Visitor(?) = Andante
Vengeful + Cop(?) = Greeting
Watcher(?) + Cop(?) = Dwlee
Innocent VIP + Double Voter(?) = Toogeloo
Neighbor + Arsonist = Ircher
Arsonist + ??? = Flea
Neighbor + ???(Something Reflexive) = Almost50
Lightning Rod + ???(Something with votes) = Enchant

Unpaired known picks, may possibly be combined with each other:

Gunsmith + ??? = ???
Watcher + ??? = ???
???(Something Reflexive) + ??? = ???
???(Something with votes) + ??? = ???
Double Voter(?) + ??? = ???

Roles followed by a question mark indicate that it's not QUITE confirmed that's the actual component role, but I'm making an educated guess. "???" indicates that I don't feel confident assigning a proper guess.

I use this as little cheat list, but redacted. So therefore, it should be like that for now:

1. Miller + Godfather = Noraa. Idk what role name is.

Spoiler:

I think this obvious now. "Anti-Town" role. Not much to say.

Can't act.

2. Vengeful + Vigilante = Roden. Town Vengesmith

Spoiler:

Yep. No Gunsmith. I don't see anyone who would even submit that. But then i realised... Vigilante was obviously submitted. Vengeful+Vigilante makes sense, because vengeful obviously can't be fused in... Vengeful. Common, it's so lame. "Killing Role".

Limmed d1 and gived gun to Galron.

3. Visitor(?) + Lighting Rod = Andante. Town Force-Visitor

Spoiler:

I submitted LR personally so i know why is that. "Anti-Town" role.

Existed.

4. Cop + Vengeful = Greeting. Town Revealer

Spoiler:

Not funny, didn't laugh. Was biggest mistake in game imo (about lim, role overall is fine). "Investigative".

Limmed 2d and revealed Dwlee as Town.

5. Watcher + Cop = Dwlee. Town Lookout.

Spoiler:

Because we know that Greeting submitted Cop, it means Dwlee submitted Watcher. "Investigative".

First Night: Toog was visited by Mafia.
Second Night: Death and thus nothing.

6. Innocent Child + Godfather = Toogeloo. Town Mayor

Spoiler:

While Innocent VIP was submitted, on practice it's Innocent Child. Godfather is "Authority". It makes sense for Toog to become "Imunne" to frames and have 2 votes.
... Uh. "Support"?

Revealed Day 2.

7. Neighbor + Arsonist = Ircher. Town Ringmaster

Spoiler:

Sorry, Ircher. This game is Circus already. We don't need you to create more. "Communication".
It's actually most harder to deduce! Ircher maked no sense and didn't claim visits.

But seems like Circus was planned on 3-4 Day?

8. Arsonist + Absorber = Flea. Mafia Cryomancer

Spoiler:

Finally, Mafia outplayed town in notcompetence. OR we think so? "Blocking"

Night: 1 Toogaloo
Night: 2 Galron
Night: 3 A50

Noticed? Atleast some of them are truth. If they are truth all, it means A50 is not mafia, because mafia have no benefit in playing sub-zero against self. It's only issue if some Galaxy brain, where Flea+RT make up assblast plan with fakeing actions like that, bussing and then pushing someone else out of cliff next day. Then yes, it makes sense to throw some bullshit.
But you know what? I don't think so.
HARDLY pointing at Noraa+CSF team.

9. Absorber + Neighbor = Almost50. Reflexive Neighbor

Spoiler:

Ugh... No commentary. "Communication." Claims he creates Hoods when someone visits them. "Communication".
It's another evidence that Flea did target Almost50. Of course, claiming otherwise for Flea!Maf/Almost50!Town is direct accusation, so they could claim truthfully. And i think it's truthfully, because... Why. Do they look like galaxy brains? This claim is easy to fuck up. Like, anyone visiting Almost50 fucks up it.

On N3 created Hood with Flea The Magician.

10. Lightning Rod + Miller = Enchant. Town Siren.

Spoiler:

Yes, plottwist, i register as "Not-Town" for investigations, so i know that i am Miller. Yes, i had good reason to hide this fact. "Redirect".

N1 Singed, redirected Galron on Self.
N2 No Action
N3 Singed, redirected CSF on Self.

11. Bus Driver + Condemner = Galron, Town Defense Attorney.

Spoiler:

It actually gives me a pause. I need to write other things. But targets of Galron will turn in "Condemner" targets for RR. "Redirector"

Last message of Galron is... "I gonna use my shot toonight". And yet, there's still one death both nights later. Of course i don't believe Galron is idiot and shot Too, but who then? Roleblocker walks around seems? Or Galron instead... Walked to Flea? Because that's what happened if RR told truth. Why Galron lied to us? But i don't see even for RR!Scum reason to lie about that. Losing cause.

N1: Someone (Redirected on Enchant).
N2: Radical Rat. He can't control Enchant, because Enchant is not visiting.
N3: Flea The Magician. He can't control Radical Rat, because Radical Rat is not visiting.
N4: Nothing, because Flea was target and got elimmed.

12. Condemner + Bus Driver = Radical Rat, Prosecutor.

Spoiler:

Strange abomination. "Redirect"

Had Enchant as Target d2.
Had Radical Rat as Target d3.
Had Flea The Magician as Target d4. And he was Elimmed. Therefore RR had Bus Drive.
On N4, he performed swap Almost50-RR. Probably, Galron+Someone else would be more effectively... But i asked CSF to protect (sorry). So not wanting to get shot by accident is obvious wish.

13. Vigilante + Watcher = CSF. WatcheVig

Spoiler:

Good on paper, hard to realise. "Killing"
Overall these aimings are effective.

N1: Watched Nordem, Vig Greeting. No success.
N2: Watched Dwlee99, Vig Flea. No success.
N3: Holstered. Was redirected on Me anyway, so useless.
N4: Watched Galron, Vig Noraa. No success.

Visitor from Andante doesh't have Pair. I don't know if i fucked up anything, but everyothing else looks right and making sense.

Overall after that, i think team is simple Noree+CSF.

Counterarguments?

[Enchant]

Oh also.

Who damn have Innocent Child? It's not paired as well.

[Enchant]

Imo if CSF is Mafia and didn't lie about claim, simple targeting "Watch Etc, Vig Radical Rat" gives instant win with 2/5 chance.

[Enchant]

Unless they not both team...

I need tea.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Your client appears as aligned with the opposite alignment to investigation while they are still your client.
You know that a player exists that wants to eliminate your client during the day. If your client is eliminated you will lose all of your abilities.

Looks like Galron could be fused with either Miller or Condemner.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Some other fusions don't look right, but it's too difficult to correct on a phone.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

and also the shit about "oh no why would i point out that my scum buddy is guiltied" is just bad
because scum misstep as well. theres no reason it can't be something scum is more self conscious about. trying to lessen a scumslips damage by pointing it out first and semi-clearing yourself is nothing impossible.

we look at the situation in hindsight and know that oh hey it wasnt obvious that it was a slip. but to scum, seeing that post is not gonna be the same because scum is ALWAYS self conscious about theri buddies. unless your name is pooky and no one here is pooky.

Can you explain your thought process again as to how you thought it was a townslip for Flea yesterday?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Enchant is pretty much locktown for me right now.

So that leaves CSF/A50...

Both of which I townread, which means I'm wrong on at least one of them. If I absolutely must choose, I would say A50, but I really do have like. No confidence here.

Why is Enchant locktown?

[Noraa]

Miller + Godfather = Noraa

im sorry what.

[Noraa]

in what world does my role make sense as fused with godfather when no one has claimed to pick godfather and no one else's role seems fused with ic.

[Enchant]

What is your pick then?

[Noraa]

and also the shit about "oh no why would i point out that my scum buddy is guiltied" is just bad
because scum misstep as well. theres no reason it can't be something scum is more self conscious about. trying to lessen a scumslips damage by pointing it out first and semi-clearing yourself is nothing impossible.

we look at the situation in hindsight and know that oh hey it wasnt obvious that it was a slip. but to scum, seeing that post is not gonna be the same because scum is ALWAYS self conscious about theri buddies. unless your name is pooky and no one here is pooky.

Can you explain your thought process again as to how you thought it was a townslip for Flea yesterday?

i didn't think it was a townslip but i tend to think any sort of scummy claim is more likely to come from town. i thought dwlee's role could tell if mafia visited or not so i didn't think that was a scum slip. rather, once it was brought to my attention, i felt scum wouldn't claim they visited toogeloo night 1 since dwlee said mafia had visited.
it was a guilty in hindsight since dwlee's role would only tell them which alignment had more people visiting. and no, to reiterate, if i were scum, i would know what dwlee's role is and i would be clear that was a guilty because i pay a shit ton more attention as scum. meta me.

[Noraa]

What is your pick then?

my pick was miller. are you reading or not? i've cliamed my role in like three separate posts and you dont know what it is

[Noraa]

I'm a miller. I kept thinking my predecessor was memeing because what in the world is you show up as town adn scum but welcome to the world of PARADOX

nathan picked miller but im a paradox because..

im a paradox get ur facts right

[Enchant]

I noticed what i fucked up, it's not Godfather right.

Then you are Miller+Innocent Child and Toog was... Innocent Child+... Erm.

Okay that's hard.

[Noraa]

Yes, plottwist, i register as "Not-Town" for investigations

you are lying. this cannot be true.