micro 1049: taking it bit by bit (endgame)

[DkKoba]

I literally was mad at SS in mini normal bunnies for shooting

[Logic and Literature]

it is infinitely better for town!vig you to shoot us, become conftown cuz there's no chance of scum vig in a closed micro, then to push us, holster and then get yeeted the next day because we flip town.

so wtf are you even talking about with holstering

-A

[Flea The Magician]

Loving this bait attempt, ngl.

*monches poopcorn*

[DkKoba]

it is infinitely better for town!vig you to shoot us, become conftown cuz there's no chance of scum vig in a closed micro, then to push us, holster and then get yeeted the next day because we flip town.

so wtf are you even talking about with holstering

-A

What you perceive to be optimal is not what i perceive to be optimal

[Logic and Literature]

from your POV: if you are town!vig

you yeet me today - I flip town, you holster, tomm you get yeeted for BoP wrong on me.

you shoot me tonight - I flip town, you don't get yeeted because you proved you are town for shooting me with a vig shot.

[DkKoba]

I dont care abt mech arguments. Next.

[Logic and Literature]

you're an egotistic player who enjoys being loud and town leader

if you have a chance to shoot your shot and kill a slot that you are sure is scum and conftown yourself to give yourself thread control you will take it.

[RCEnigma]

it is infinitely better for town!vig you to shoot us, become conftown cuz there's no chance of scum vig in a closed micro, then to push us, holster and then get yeeted the next day because we flip town.

so wtf are you even talking about with holstering

-A

What are you actually arguing here though? That scum!DK first post claims n1 vig so they can???

[Logic and Literature]

I literally was mad at SS in mini normal bunnies for shooting

would you be mad at SS in mini normal bunnies if he shot a mafia player?

[Logic and Literature]

it is infinitely better for town!vig you to shoot us, become conftown cuz there's no chance of scum vig in a closed micro, then to push us, holster and then get yeeted the next day because we flip town.

so wtf are you even talking about with holstering

-A

What are you actually arguing here though? That scum!DK first post claims n1 vig so they can???

put yourself in Koba's shoes

if you're a vig and you are sure L/L is mafia, why would you not shoot them at night?

-A

[DkKoba]

yes and i will simply quote one of the many times i said i think vig is the worst role in the game. Projecting onto me wont work;)

[RCEnigma]

it is infinitely better for town!vig you to shoot us, become conftown cuz there's no chance of scum vig in a closed micro, then to push us, holster and then get yeeted the next day because we flip town.

so wtf are you even talking about with holstering

-A

What are you actually arguing here though? That scum!DK first post claims n1 vig so they can???

put yourself in Koba's shoes

if you're a vig and you are sure L/L is mafia, why would you not shoot them at night?

-A

Because vig shooting night 1 is shit play. Whether you hit or not.

[RCEnigma]

Vig is negative utility for town until town has the risk of losing majority. Then it has a win or done chance to make an impact on the game.

[RCEnigma]

I've had this very conversation in a previous game where (I think?) Vig hit scum early in the game. But we're both in the camp that its incorrect play for vig to heroshoot.

DK's stance is extremely consistent with previous thoughts shared on this topic and is a big reason the play just points to town.

[Logic and Literature]

how does it make more sense for koba to not shoot me and instead push me to be eliminated?

it's literally the same result if koba succeeds

either way

- I die and flip town.

except if Koba vigs me they get to be conftown because scum vig is unlikely but if Koba shitpushes me dead they get BoPed the next day.

[RCEnigma]

Outside of that, what does scum'DK gain from claiming n1 vig?

You could make an informed argument but I don't see what info scum could have that makes that an ok out the gate claim.

Or

That it's a power play to strongarm town. But even then it's not like they are influencing anyone to blind sheep. Whether it's tempting or not.

[Logic and Literature]

Outside of that, what does scum'DK gain from claiming n1 vig?

towncred

[DkKoba]

i dont think this conversation is useful and my point has been made clear and is provable so i am refusing to engage it further.

At worst you can say that my claim is NAI because i can be scum mimicing my townplay.

I will say that when i DID fakeclaim vig i was excited to "shoot" both times.

I think 2L is trying to intentionally antispew bc my BoP is correct because any attempt to move them into more productive conversation is met with resistance and theatrics like this.

[Logic and Literature]

At worst you can say that my claim is NAI because i can be scum mimicing my townplay.

no you slipped when you forgot you could just vig me at night instead of this shit push you are doing

[RCEnigma]

how does it make more sense for koba to not shoot me and instead push me to be eliminated?

it's literally the same result if koba succeeds

either way

- I die and flip town.

except if Koba vigs me they get to be conftown because scum vig is unlikely but if Koba shitpushes me dead they get BoPed the next day.

Well then you (as town) die to koba vig (town) plus the night kill (town) and the elim could hit (town).

Now I'm not so good with numbers but all that equals bad time to me.

Or DK can holster and we play Mafia.

[Logic and Literature]

I think 2L is trying to intentionally antispew bc my BoP is correct because any attempt to move them into more productive conversation is met with resistance and theatrics like this.

you're the one who decided to shit tunnel immediately in bad faith so accusing me of antispewing is a pretty bad read

[RCEnigma]

Outside of that, what does scum'DK gain from claiming n1 vig?

towncred

What happens if there happens to be an actual n1 vig out there that doesn't ascribe to the idea that vigs shouldn't shoot. Why would scum even invite that?

[DkKoba]

just because you have an explaination for why itd be beneficisl for me to do somethjng as scum it means nothing if there is a more reasonable town explaination.
Personally - when im scum i try to ignore this philosophy as it is the biggest way to remove my mislims.

[DkKoba]

I think 2L is trying to intentionally antispew bc my BoP is correct because any attempt to move them into more productive conversation is met with resistance and theatrics like this.

you're the one who decided to shit tunnel immediately in bad faith so accusing me of antispewing is a pretty bad read

Well you are busy proving my point of not making reads elsewhere so cheers

[Logic and Literature]

how does it make more sense for koba to not shoot me and instead push me to be eliminated?

it's literally the same result if koba succeeds

either way

- I die and flip town.

except if Koba vigs me they get to be conftown because scum vig is unlikely but if Koba shitpushes me dead they get BoPed the next day.

Well then you (as town) die to koba vig (town) plus the night kill (town) and the elim could hit (town).

Now I'm not so good with numbers but all that equals bad time to me.

Or DK can holster and we play Mafia.

let's say we mislim someone today

we go into night 8p - 2scum with Town!koba and Town!LL

Scenario 1: Koba holsters, scum shoot outside me/Koba because scum want koba to continue tunneling me

we wake up at 7p, Koba hardshoves me dead - I flip town - we wake up tomm at 5P, Koba is a easy misyeet for game over.


Scenario 2: Koba shoots me at Night

we wake up at 6P, Koba's basically conftown because confed Vig and can control thread and try to solve for last 2 scum.

Scenario 2 is

much better

for town than Scenario 1.

Trying to hand wave it is just absolutely nonsensical

-A