Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)

[SensFan]

Scenario 1 is slightly better for Black. Black has a good chance of equalising the game, thanks to our suicidal queen. It has brought Black's bishop out, leading to better freedom of movement compared to White, which still needs to castle (what I'd do) to attack.

I disagree. The Black Bishop still needs to move again before it can do anything, so regardless of Black's move, we are up a Minor piece in devellopment.

Scenario 2 is no good for White. Black has an even better chance of equalising, since White has lost tempo to regain freedom of movement for its [bishop].

I will glady give up a single move to devellop my Queen and pin an enemy Bishop on the 7-rank. Especially when said Queen is under no threat sitting at e3.

[Pesco47]

I'll lay out all the candidate move scenarios when I get in front of a PC. The arguments against Qe2+ need to be addressed in a more comprehensive light.

[Indigo Heron]

If we DO end up pinning the bishop, which is what most probably will happen if we play Qe2, and we move Qe3, we waste tempo freeing up our lines, and Black will attempt to control the centre via d5, or move via Nb4, or Nf6 (I would've played d5 if I was Black). By then, Black is much more developed than White, and now White's Queen is in danger of attack.

I've already stated it right here, the argument against case 2.

[SensFan]

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1. e4 c5
2. Nc3 Nc6
3. f4 e6
4. Nf3 f5
5. exf5 exf5
6. Qe2 Be7
7. Qe3 d5
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1. e4 c5
2. Nc3 Nc6
3. f4 e6
4. Nf3 f5
5. exf5 exf5
6. Qe2 Be7
7. Qe3 Nd4
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1. e4 c5
2. Nc3 Nc6
3. f4 e6
4. Nf3 f5
5. exf5 exf5
6. Qe2 Be7
7. Qe3 Nf6
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I'm not seeing a Black advantage out in any of those positions, actually.

[Indigo Heron]

I didn't say that Black had an advantage. I said that Black could equalise from these 3 positions.

[SensFan]

And the problem with that is? Seriously, is the aregument against 6. Qe2+ that it leads to positions that Black could equalize from?

[Pesco47]

SensFan has covered most of black's options. Their best defence to Qe2+ is Be7. Nd5 followup threatens a fork and a pin. It also stops Nf6 and the d-pawn from taking the center.

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1. e4 c5
2. Nc3 Nc6
3. f4 e6
4. Nf3 f5
5. exf5 exf5
6. Qe2 Be7
7. Nd5
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From there, if black plays
7...Nd4 or b4: our knight trades and we push the d-pawn at maximum move length.

7...b6: we play d3, opening the bishop.

7...Qa5: respond with c4, this move requires a bit of reading ahead. I assume we are good enough to see what it does.

7...d6: This gives us time to free up the cB which I would do via b3.

Black has no choice bu to let us play whatever move we want after Qe2+. I figured Nd5 does the most and we have answers to all their best moves after that too.

[Indigo Heron]

Oh crap, Pesco, how did I miss that?!

[SensFan]

Oh crap, Pesco, how did I miss that

?!

Dubious move?

[Indigo Heron]

Dubious move?

Not in my head, SensFan, after seeing it play out in my head.

I think it was because we were debating it so my brain forgot about any other move, concentrating on the possible moves we had.

[Pesco47]

Scum aren't as good as we thought they were. They'll make blunders too.

[SensFan]

Dubious move?

Not in my head, SensFan, after seeing it play out in my head.

I think it was because we were debating it so my brain forgot about any other move, concentrating on the possible moves we had.

You misinterpretted me. It was a joke based on your use of "?!", hense the bold.

[Indigo Heron]

Oh. I just didn't see it, not that it was dubious.

Moderator, can we get a votecount, ASAP?

[Awesome Pants]

The "I think this is right, but I'm too tired to check it again" votecount

Moves

Bc4 (3) - sirdanilot, Indigo Heron, Lawrencelot
Bd3 (2) - Gorrad, Doomsday
Qe2+ (1) - Pesco47

Not voting (3) - Goatrevolt, The Central Scrutinizer, SensFan

Players

Gorrad (2) - Doomsday, Pesco47
Doomsday (1) - Gorrad

Not voting (6) - SensFan, Goatrevolt, Lawrencelot, sirdanilot, The Central Scrutinizer, Indigo Heron

5 to move/lynch

[SensFan]

move: Qe2

, as I thought I was voting.

[Pesco47]

Another possible move 7...Nf6:
We take the knight 8. Nxf6+, they'll be forced to gxf6.

[sirdanilot]

Although I still do not favor a queen trade, I changed my mind about Qe2+, since it creates a lot of further possibilities for us and it's aggressive. It makes us get control of the board, as pesco said.

unmove move Qe2+

[Pesco47]

Anybody got some suggestions as to why we shouldn't go Qe2+? No objections then let's move.

[Gorrad]

Moving the bishop clears the way to castle.

[Indigo Heron]

Yeah...we kinda had that figured out a while ago...

FoS Level 2: Gorrad

for attempting to create meaningless positive points about him trying to help White.

[Pesco47]

Moving the bishop so you can castle is nice and all, but have you got a followup to screw black over with?

[SensFan]

Moving the bishop so you can castle is nice and all, but have you got a followup to screw black over with?

More importantly, given that Black hasn't moved anything but Pawns and Knights, do you really think that delaying a castle by 2-3 moves wil harm us?

[Gorrad]

No one had brought up castling, so I figured it should be on the table. I have a follow-up, but it's defensive. And yes, I think it might, as I'm quite wary of the black queen's ability to check us.

[Pesco47]

Where do you expect black to move if we choose to play defensive and castle? How are we going to stop them from moving there?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

move: Qe2+

I get the sense that we should prefer black plays 6. ... Qe7, but I am content seeing that we have options for 6. ... Be7 as well.

This is my weakest phase of the game, the early-mid, so I may follow more than lead.