Mafia 85 - Murder at the Bus Stop (game over)

armlx · Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:11 pm

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9097

Read day 2.

Not sure how that is "arcane"....

Read the interaction between obv scum IcemanE and Wall-E.

Notice Wall-E is town.

Mod edit
Votecount:
Wall-E (4): Alabaska J, Muerrto, BlakAdder, al4xz
Surye (2): springlullaby, Riceballtail
al4xz (2): kuribo, armlx
Alabaska J (1): Jebus
kuribo (1): Xtoxm
Jebus (1): farside22
Riceballtail (1): Wall-E

Not voting (7): Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Slepz, Zazier, Cream147, Surye

With 19 alive it's 10 to lynch.

Wall-E · Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:37 pm

I helped catch icemanE in that game, but died all lamely.

I just reread that entire game.

That was a fun one, I must admit.

armlx · Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:01 pm

The end game still befuddles me. Instead of killing me + KoC we got an additional lynch and additional jail keep, and then the double voter (aka confirmed town) was lynched in 2 v 1.

Wall-E · Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:28 pm

In simple terms, what are the correlations you're drawing between icemanE's play there and here?

Muerrto · Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:49 am

I can't believe Wall-E still hasn't answered my question satisfactorily and yet people are unvoting him and calling him town.

In what game have you EVER seen a claimed doctor lynched for information only?

Why did you not have a problem with this and instead told people to stop whining about him dying and move on?

Vote's not moving all day.

Surye · Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:02 am

Muerrto wrote:I can't believe Wall-E still hasn't answered my question satisfactorily and yet people are unvoting him and calling him town.

In what game have you EVER seen a claimed doctor lynched for information only?

Why did you not have a problem with this and instead told people to stop whining about him dying and move on?

Vote's not moving all day.

I just don't see what's scummy about it in the current context. I see it as lazy, since he must not have read back much, but what would be scummy is lynching a claimed doctor, he didn't, he thought we did.

I see it as a lot of things, but I'm just not able to put it to a scummy thing, hence my unvote. Maybe I'm missing something?

Surye · Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:03 am

EBWOP: What does this accomplish for scum Wall-E?

Muerrto · Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:30 am

Surye wrote:I just don't see what's scummy about it in the current context. I see it as lazy, since he must not have read back much, but what would be scummy is lynching a claimed doctor, he didn't, he thought we did.

I see it as a lot of things, but I'm just not able to put it to a scummy thing, hence my unvote. Maybe I'm missing something?

Surye wrote:EBWOP: What does this accomplish for scum Wall-E?

Nothing, it was a slip. Period. But the point isn't that Wall-E didn't help lynch a claimed doctor for information, he THOUGHT he did.

You said it exactly right there. But what you're missing is that it's not what actually happened that's important. It's what he THOUGHT happened. In his mind K7 claimed doctor, we lynched him anyway for information, and the next day instead of saying 'Why the hell did we do that?' he said 'Boo hoo stop whining about the doctor being dead. I saw his claim but we lynched him anyway for information'. Basically saying it was a good lynch.

Now can anyone else say it was a good lynch? Of course, K7 never claimed anything and several people had suspiscion of him. Just like the Slicey lynch we can see in hindsight it was bad but at the time many people thought it was good. BUT, Wall-E thought K7 had claimed doctor. How can a lynch of a claimed doctor who turns out to be telling the truth possibly be good no matter what information you get out of it?

armlx · Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:32 am

Wall-E wrote:In simple terms, what are the correlations you're drawing between icemanE's play there and here?

Its more a similar scenario between you and al4xz.

Wall-E · Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:42 am

Also, not being a retard, I wouldn't cheer for something evil out of calculation, only dumbness.

farside22 · Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:47 am

I don't see it as a slip from Wall-E. I think just too many games at one time

kuribo · Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:10 am

farside22 wrote:I don't see it as a slip from Wall-E. I think just too many games at one time

In what possible game could he be playing where lynching a claimed doctor for information would be acceptable?

Wall-E · Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:25 am

I'm going to trust armlx's meta and

Vote: al4xz

until I read through again.

kuribo, you can try to get me hanged for being lazy, but school just got easy again, and I'm about to go into another one of my active phases, so you would be lynching an active player. (shrug, do what you gotta do)

kuribo · Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:32 am

Wall-E wrote:I'm going to trust armlx's meta and
Vote: al4xz
until I read through again.

kuribo, you can try to get me hanged for being lazy, but school just got easy again, and I'm about to go into another one of my active phases, so you would be lynching an active player. (shrug, do what you gotta do)

o noez, i might accidentally lynch someone who's playing, however will i sleep at night?

(like a rock, brother)

Also, your vote just reinforces my mindset that you and al4xz are buddies.

Further, if you were paying attention, you'd note that i'm voting al4xz, but we already know you're not.

Wall-E · Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:36 am

"...if you were paying attention, you'd know that i'm voting al4xz"

Your ad hominem is noted.

farside22 · Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:37 am

kuribo wrote:
farside22 wrote:I don't see it as a slip from Wall-E. I think just too many games at one time
In what possible game could he be playing where lynching a claimed doctor for information would be acceptable?

It's not. Maybe he is scum in that other game.
I'm just guessing. But reading through it wasn't a slip because K-7 didn't claim. So I don't get the point.

Surye · Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:39 am

Wall-E wrote:"...if you were paying attention, you'd know that i'm voting al4xz"

Your ad hominem is noted.

Your lack of understanding of logical fallacies noted.

Wall-E · Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:43 am

I think the problem kuribo is having is this:

Why would ANY player in ANY game EVER say: "Let's lynch the doc for information."?

The answer is "Nobody".

Not even scum.

I'm just that a w e s o m e.

Muerrto · Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:03 am

farside22 wrote:But reading through it wasn't a slip because K-7 didn't claim. So I don't get the point.

Sigh...that IS the point. It DOESN'T benefit him as scum OR town. He MESSED UP and THOUGHT K7 had claimed doctor PRIOR to the lynch. BUT if K7 HAD claimed doctor prior to the lynch we WOULDN'T have lynched him. But he THOUGHT K7 DID claim prior to the lynch and we STILL lynched him and he was OK with that.

Does that clear it up some?

I'm failing to see why Wall's not dead yet.

And Wall's defense is basically 'that'd be dumb'. Yes, yes it would. And sometimes people screw up and do dumb things. But if someone can tell me AS TOWN how Wall-E could post what he did I'm all ears.

armlx · Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:38 am

Sigh...that IS the point. It DOESN'T benefit him as scum OR town. He MESSED UP and THOUGHT K7 had claimed doctor PRIOR to the lynch. BUT if K7 HAD claimed doctor prior to the lynch we WOULDN'T have lynched him. But he THOUGHT K7 DID claim prior to the lynch and we STILL lynched him and he was OK with that.

????

Again, I'm p sure no one here had any indication to K7's role until he died.

al4xz · Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:39 am

Who do you THINK I mean by "him?"

Wall-E was asked why he said what he said.

You answered for him.

I already answered this, which once again annoys me. I didn't realize that which Muerrto got to first - that he had thought that we had killed a claimed doctor for information - was in effect and was absolutely right. I didn't realize he had thought that we had killed the claimed doctor K7,

for information.

So, ignoring that at the moment, I defended him because I thought there was a possibility that it was merely a town slipup, which Wall-E claims it was, from school, pressure and other such things. Does this satisfy you?

And Kuribo, I don't have the memory to remember everything that goes on around here.

armlx · Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:05 am

REACH.

Again, there is no way anyone could have known K7 was doc yesterday. In that context, explain how Wall-E's action is scummy.

And lol al4xz, the slip post blatantly said for info.

RestFermata · Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:36 am

I agree with armlx. Wall-E's post was really weird, but I don't see how it points to him being scum.

kuribo · Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:59 am

al4xz wrote: And Kuribo, I don't have the memory to remember everything that goes on around here.

That is the lamest excuse for anything ever. It's a complete cop-out that could be used to justify any action at any time.

al4xz · Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:15 am

kuribo wrote:
al4xz wrote: And Kuribo, I don't have the memory to remember everything that goes on around here.
That is the lamest excuse for anything ever. It's a complete cop-out that could be used to justify any action at any time.

Yeah, and I used it. Does that make me scummy? Perhaps. Does that not make me scummy? Perhaps. WIFOM. (Did I use that right?)

Again, there is no way anyone could have known K7 was doc yesterday. In that context, explain how Wall-E's action is scummy.

Wall-E's action was scummy because he thought K7 claimed Doc, and we lynched him for information. I believe that already answers your question.