UK Eastermeet 2022 Invitational (Game over!)

[Nexus]

Well if you had given the potato back i'd probably have put you on the town pile. as is, I wasn't really sure. I think you're prob town though.

No idea what I was thinking about cpol yesterday.

[Fenchurch]

Okay, well what do you think about cpol right now? And Menno? I feel like I have an idea of most people's stance but yours.

[McMenno]

wrt to the whole thing, Fenchurch seems more

bad

town to me, CES more scummy, porochaz towny too he's been articulating stuff I've been feeling

I don't think it's quite as straightforward as scum potato vendor = cpolscum, so I don't see any need to rush it.

I'm happy for the day to end.

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this post is so weird too. I wasn't in hammer range at the time

It's pretty important to sort out
If town didn't give cpol a potato then scum did and I want cpol to die

OK so I don't like this post it's very binary and lacks nuance

He didn't drown, he must be a witch!

that's what I'm saying

I should probably VOTE: Klick meh

[Nexus]

I don't think menno is scum.

[Klick]

I'm really frustrated with how scummy Menno's end of day was, but yeah their posts don't feel scummy at all outside of that.

[McMenno]

oh and my reasoning for hammering at the time was that the vibes were off

I decided if I didn't like her next post I would execute and I didn't

that & the other stuff

[Klick]

I'd pretty happily vote CES

[Fenchurch]

oh and my reasoning for hammering at the time was that the vibes were off

I decided if I didn't like her next post I would execute and I didn't

Why wait three days to share this?
Why self vote?

[Fenchurch]

I'd pretty happily vote CES

What happened to 'if nobody claims the potato then Cpol has to die'?

[McMenno]

oh and my reasoning for hammering at the time was that the vibes were off

I decided if I didn't like her next post I would execute and I didn't

Why wait three days to share this?
Why self vote?

I thought it was obvious but I have learned not everyone is as attuned as I am
I was feeling like shit

[Fenchurch]

I don't think menno is scum.

At the start of the Day you asked me why I was voting Menno. Did you have any thoughts about the quick hammer at all?
And you've answered half my question, what about cpol right now?

[Klick]

I'd pretty happily vote CES

What happened to 'if nobody claims the potato then Cpol has to die'?

Nothing?

[Fenchurch]

"Nothing" as in, nothing came of it so you're dropping it? Or "nothing" as in, nothing has changed and you still think Chris is 100% scum?

[Klick]

Nothing has changed, and if Chris' potato isn't explained I want him to die today

I'm not satisfied by any explanations I can think of that involve Chris-town being saved by scum.

[Wenna]

I'm not satisfied by any explanations I can think of that involve Chris-town being saved by scum.

Saved? Let's dissect/hypothesise.

If it was a badguy-vendor provided potato:

1. It throws cpol under the bus
2. Everyone talks about potatoes until the end of time

Maybe it saves a town temporarily, but it ruins discussion, and ultimately may kill that town if cpol is executed as a result.

It may prolong a town life in the short-term, but it may save a baddy in the long-term when a town is executed instead.

Our only way of winning is executing baddies in daylight. Their best tactic is to make us kill each other.

It's a read-disrupting, distraction-making, scum-saving, delayed villager death.

[cpol]

Nothing has changed, and if Chris' potato isn't explained I want him to die today

I'm not satisfied by any explanations I can think of that involve Chris-town being saved by scum.

I think any conversations around this have shown it to be NAI. Either I am scum and set the whole thing up, or I am town and have been set up as a miss-execution. It seems most likely that scum gave me the potato, but someone owning up to that doesn’t help either way. Rather than the potato itself, do you think I'm playing scummy?

With 10 players alive we are in a bit of a tough situation here, as both Menno and I are suitable execution candidates, based off what has happened, but I know I am town, and can see a world where Menno is as well. However, the number of executions we have is now dwindling. Assuming that we are both executed, and night kills go off each nigh that means we are then at 6 players alive. I think Postie asked it earlier, but is having 3 mafia likely in this player number? How many executions do we actually have?

If it helps, again I am a Vanilla Townie, and my role name is ‘Eight People Watching One Game of Hive’.

@CES – I’ll reword my previous question then. Can you give an update on any thoughts and feelings you have on people? General reads of the game?

[ChannelDelibird]

Vote Count

McMenno (3):

Fenchurch, Porochaz, Cogito Ergo Sum

cpol (1):

Postie

Postie (1):

Wenna

Wenna (1):

Nexus

Klick (1):

McMenno

Not voting (3): cpol, Primate, Klick

With 10 players alive, it will take 6 votes to execute.

Activity

Postie

has been prodded.

Time until deadline: (expired on 2022-05-04 13:33:00)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I decided if I didn't like her next post I would execute and I didn't

So were you zooted when you made that decision or only when you hammered?

[McMenno]

both

I still want to hear from Primate

[cpol]

What didn't you like about that post?

[McMenno]

the vibes were off

[Porochaz]

unvote

Mcmenno doesn't feel right anymore.

I really don't like Klick's posting but again, it feels like a distraction.

So where does that leave me? Im not entirely sure. I could potentially still see a Menno execution, but Im becoming more invested in a Postie (who has conveniently disappeareared plus Fenchurch feels like a town read at this point) or one of the people taking more of a back seat.

As for the cpol argument, nothing could interest me less. That's not alignment indicative, but I have no interest in voting him for the reasons stated.

Edited to remove outdated language. Badger by PM incoming! - CDB

[Postie]

Sorry, RL came up. I'm currently mostly interested in hearing more from Primate right now, and secondarily Menno and Wenna.

I'm

very

concerned how multiple people are backing off Menno all at once. If Menno flips scum, I think that deserves extra close scrutiny. I think the natural response to scum!Menno's hammer would be for their partners to bus them the next day, assuming people aren't townreading them somehow. So people initially strongly scumreading them and voting them and then backing off with minimal reasoning as soon as there's ideas about Menno potentially being town feels extremely suspect to me.

[Postie]

I’m interested too, and I don’t really see you as a buddy with Menno. I find it unlikely that you’d argue against their execution so strongly if you were.

I have never argued against their execution

But I’m still looking at who the buddy is, and I do find your position hard to understand..

You seem to agree that Menno’s sudden quick hammer makes them very likely scum. You also seem to agree that the quick hammer was likely driven by a desire to catch Cpol without a potato and get an extra kill as a result.

I’m not sure then how you are so convinced that whoever subsequently saved Cpol from potato-death, must be scum. If you can see Menno as scum, how do you not conclude that Cpol is town?

Hey so do you see any town potato vendor claims yet

To be clear, I said their lack of explanation was damning. I've seen plenty of quickhammers in my day and I've never seen so little attempt at justification or mea culpa; if Menno is town, how is there no inkling of pro-town thinking behind it that could be expounded upon or if not that, some sense of guilt? Especially in combination with your situation, this feels like a deliberate move; they have nothing good to say, so they say nothing and hope the town overthinks it/gets distracted by other things.

Strongly agree with this

[Postie]

Oh god what if it's a Menno/cpol team and the hammer was a planned play to make cpol look town
But then why not claim town poot vendor
I hate this