Micro 1053: DmangwGBiaf [game over]

[Aristeia]

They are saying they were right about Cephrir last game we played together

[Not Known 15]

That said i'm not sure i want STD today.
I'm kinda sus on Dwlee.

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

They are saying they were right about Cephrir last game we played together

I know that. -.-

Fine i'll read the game myself later since ur being useless.

[Aristeia]

I don't think it is relevant to this game.

[Not Known 15]

7.Not Known 15
5/6.Gamma Emerald/Aristeia
4.NorwegianboyEE
3.Dwlee99
2.Save The Dragons
1.Instructor Rean
This is the order of massclaim I'd support, starting with 1.
What's your order?

[Aristeia]

I think start with Rean and popcorn is fine

[Not Known 15]

I think start with Rean and popcorn is fine

We probably should do two rounds. One round for claiming PR/VT, a second round for all PR's.

[Dwlee99]

The relevance of the Cephrir thing was that my confidence isn't weird because it's the same way I approached limming Cephrir. Nothing about me being right or not

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Unvote

Convince me it’s not Ari+Nk 15

I have a result on someone
good enough?

[Aristeia]

that would be useful yes

but we should mass claim first starting with rean

[Aristeia]

or I guess if you are claiming TPR you can decide who goes first

[Aristeia]

The relevance of the Cephrir thing was that my confidence isn't weird because it's the same way I approached limming Cephrir. Nothing about me being right or not

Have you read many NK15 Scum!games? Which one do you think his play here is similar to?

[Not Known 15]

Massclaim, round 1

Not Known 15

Aristeia

NorwegianboyEE

Save The Dragons

Dwlee99

Instructor Rean

Gamma Emerald - PR with a result

Round 1:Please claim PR/VT.
Round 2:Normal PR's fullclaim.
Round 3:PR's with a result fullclaim.

Gamma, who do you popcorn to?

[Aristeia]

I guess the principal reason I don't think quickhammering at the spot he did is incredibly scum!indicative is because the game state was somewhat exhausted at that point with Yeet being the leading wagon and multiple people calling for Yeet to be hammered;

for example:

Rean in 605

and

Koba in 620


Koba is particularly interesting to me because Koba was also nightkilled - I suspect because scum believe Koba to be loud, controlling and have generally good reads and a threat to them.

Now if the scum team believes Koba to be loud and thread dominant - I don't think the scum team would particularly worry that Koba would have trouble driving their preferred elimination(yeet) through.

It seems silly to need to rush the elim when Koba is hardpushing it for you.

The sequence where NK15 goes from voting for scum!STD in 642 to sheeping STD and hammering yeet in 646 is pretty disgusting.

It makes very little sense to think STD is scum and then 10 minutes later decide to sheep him and quickhammer someone he is voting.

It is an extremely bad look and it is difficult for anyone to believe that a town!player can play in such a fashion - which makes him a very convenient target if he is indeed town here.

However NK15 is notorious for being an intentional game thrower. I would much more expect such play from him when he is holding a town role PM - he fake claimed mason with a mafia player in a newbie game, he put a readlist with 3 scum teammates as his three scumreads for no reason on day 1 and told his teammates to "get gud".

I can very easily see NK15 deciding to troll us intentionally.

[Aristeia]

I know meta is generally trash but in extreme edge cases I don't think it makes sense to apply commonly expected play to people.

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
Alright I'm convinced

[Not Known 15]

It makes very little sense to think STD is scum and then 10 minutes later decide to sheep him and quickhammer someone he is voting.

It may look like that. However, that's actually wrong. More about this after the massclaim.

[Dwlee99]

The relevance of the Cephrir thing was that my confidence isn't weird because it's the same way I approached limming Cephrir. Nothing about me being right or not

Have you read many NK15 Scum!games? Which one do you think his play here is similar to?

The one that is in my mind he got caught extremely early but I think it'd be silly to assume he is town just because he isn't playing as scummily.

But I kinda get your point + there's more etc.

[Dwlee99]

You're not supposed to imply anything before you claim especially since you're trying to be last so bad

[Gamma Emerald]

Massclaim, round 1

Not Known 15

Aristeia

NorwegianboyEE

Save The Dragons

Dwlee99

Instructor Rean

Gamma Emerald - PR with a result

Round 1:Please claim PR/VT.
Round 2:Normal PR's fullclaim.
Round 3:PR's with a result fullclaim.

Gamma, who do you popcorn to?

I popcorn to rean

[Aristeia]

The relevance of the Cephrir thing was that my confidence isn't weird because it's the same way I approached limming Cephrir. Nothing about me being right or not

Have you read many NK15 Scum!games? Which one do you think his play here is similar to?

The one that is in my mind he got caught extremely early but I think it'd be silly to assume he is town just because he isn't playing as scummily.

But I kinda get your point + there's more etc.

I'm not assuming he is town.

I am just not confident he is scum and we can slam dunk him for an easy scum lim because he does not play rationally.

Like people like Cephrir I can be fairly sure of their alignment after engaging them over a few days - but NK15 is more like flipping a coin because his motivations feel random.

[Not Known 15]

You're not supposed to imply anything before you claim especially since you're trying to be last so bad

I am not.
I simply stated my preference. Who wouldn't want to go last?

[Not Known 15]

Massclaim, round 1

Not Known 15

Aristeia

NorwegianboyEE

Save The Dragons

Dwlee99

Instructor Rean

Gamma Emerald - PR with a result

Round 1:Please claim PR/VT.
Round 2:Normal PR's fullclaim.
Round 3:PR's with a result fullclaim.

Next claim - Instructor Rean

[Dwlee99]

These procedural posts truly awaken something in me

[Dwlee99]

I'm not assuming he is town.

I am just not confident he is scum and we can slam dunk him for an easy scum lim because he does not play rationally.

Like people like Cephrir I can be fairly sure of their alignment after engaging them over a few days - but NK15 is more like flipping a coin because his motivations feel random

Ye I gotcha