KTaNE [game over!]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Except Pooky. No AMA's for that one.

are you actually sure I am scum or is this some bucket list thing for you?

because if you're town here, I'm really not sure you know what to do tomorrow and like I'm not going to be able to come back from the dead and bail you out ala Death Curse.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Here's the thing.

I can accept being eliminated today on the condition that you give me the full 7 days to figure out who to eliminate tomm and deadsheep me on it no questions asked tomorrow.

But I can't do this if everyone is going to be like "oh yea pooky is going to flip scum so idgaf and I'm not going to post or try"

or I guess if you all just want to lim me and not really care about what I have to say then yea I can accept that and que sera sera.

I won't be happy about it but I understand that maybe you really do need me to flip before you can start caring about this game.

[Dwlee99]

Here's the thing.

I can accept being eliminated today on the condition that you give me the full 7 days to figure out who to eliminate tomm and deadsheep me on it no questions asked tomorrow.

But I can't do this if everyone is going to be like "oh yea pooky is going to flip scum so idgaf and I'm not going to post or try"

or I guess if you all just want to lim me and not really care about what I have to say then yea I can accept that and que sera sera.

I won't be happy about it but I understand that maybe you really do need me to flip before you can start caring about this game.

I don't like this because I just opened a new avenue of looking for final scum this morning

[Dwlee99]

Like I'm gonna give you the 7 days, I'm annoyed that Menalque decided to cut our time short, but also I haven't completely dipped off the face of the earth like your post implies everyone is doing.

[Dwlee99]

And you also kinda completely ignored what implications it has for bell and enchant's alignments but have just kinda moved to defending yourself more

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like I'm gonna give you the 7 days, I'm annoyed that Menalque decided to cut our time short, but also I haven't completely dipped off the face of the earth like your post implies everyone is doing.

I am not talking about you.

I don't think I am being unfair about many people not being here.

I feel a sense of urgency because I think I am not going to be here for very long so I have a somewhat limited time to discuss things. We've burned about half the day away and I don't think there's been substantive posting from more than half the table.

Most of the feeling I get is that people are fine with me being eliminated and don't even know tomorrow is elo.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

And you also kinda completely ignored what implications it has for bell and enchant's alignments but have just kinda moved to defending yourself more

??

I am town

we have two elims left.

I do not want to be one of them.

I've tried casing Bell and explaining why his play makes sense from scum!him.

I have gotten almost no feedback on it from any player here. If anyone wants to talk then I am here for that.

What do you want me to do?

I can't solve this game after I am dead.

[Dwlee99]

What do you think of day one heal analysis?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like if people just want me to stop whining, shut up and accept the lim and they'll play the game tomm after I'm dead - I'll gladly stop posting and leave you all to it.

My play throughout the entirety of this game does not come from scum!me and I am happy to explain any stance, any post, any sequence I have done to the best of my ability if I can remember what I was thinking at the time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What do you think of day one heal analysis?

I think it's pretty clear scum tried to frame Andante's group of top townreads to create chain mislims.

I think it's obvious since I wanted to be in a group with Andante/Catboi/??? I forgot who else I wanted in the team, that means I'm not scum since it makes literally 0 sense to frame myself.

I think I was shot at N1 because I wasn't in the group that got framed and it's the only nightkill that night that makes sense given we know scum have a blocked shot somewhere.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like if Day 1 we had 8 people that were UTR and we all found 8 town - that is a very strong start for the town.

But the scum having a framing bomb to break that townblock explains why scum were ok with that townblock and did not try harder to fight their way into it and were ok being on the backfoot and did not try very hard to towntell.

They likely expected to be able to chain 4 mislims and not have to worry about actually being pressured on dayplay.

Frogster doing some wild shenanigans caught them completely by surprise and they couldn't transition to towntelling fast enough.

[Bell]

Here's the thing.

I can accept being eliminated today on the condition that you give me the full 7 days to figure out who to eliminate tomm and deadsheep me on it no questions asked tomorrow.

But I can't do this if everyone is going to be like "oh yea pooky is going to flip scum so idgaf and I'm not going to post or try"

or I guess if you all just want to lim me and not really care about what I have to say then yea I can accept that and que sera sera.

I won't be happy about it but I understand that maybe you really do need me to flip before you can start caring about this game.

sure.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually it kind of fits with Bell being scum because Bell did not really try very hard to become UTR and become part of the expert team and I wouldn't expect that from town!Bell:

Andante [14]: Menalque, Malakittens, fireisredsir, Cephrir, Mistyx, GuiltyLion, VP Baltar, Cat Scratch Fever, StrangeMatter, Bell, Enchant, Titus, Andresvmb, Greeting
Greeting [11]: Cephrir, Mistyx, PookyTheMagicalBear, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Bell, VP Baltar, StrangeMatter, Enchant, Dwlee99, Andresvmb
catboi [11]: VP Baltar, PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell, fireisredsir, Cat Scratch Fever, Andante, Cephrir, Enchant, Andresvmb, Titus, Menalque
Frogsterking [8]: Titus, VP Baltar, Malakittens, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mistyx, Greeting, GuiltyLion, Enchant, Bell
Menalque [8]: GuiltyLion, Enchant, Bell, catboi, Andante, Greeting, Titus, Cephrir
PookyTheMagicalBear [7]: Andante, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, fireisredsir, Enchant, Greeting, catboi
Cat Scratch Fever [6]: PookyTheMagicalBear, GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, Cephrir, Enchant, Bell
Cephrir [6]: Titus, Enchant, Dwlee99, Andante, Menalque, catboi
Dwlee99 [5]: VP Baltar, Titus, Cephrir, Enchant, Andresvmb
StrangeMatter [4]: Frogsterking, Greeting, Enchant, Andresvmb
Titus [4]: Malakittens, PookyTheMagicalBear, Enchant, Andresvmb
Malakittens [3]: Enchant, Menalque, PookyTheMagicalBear
GuiltyLion [3]: Malakittens, Enchant, Bell
Bell [3]: Enchant, Cephrir, VP Baltar
Mistyx [2]: Malakittens, Enchant
fireisredsir [2]: Enchant, Andresvmb
VP Baltar [2]: Enchant, Dwlee99
Enchant [2]: Dwlee99, Frogsterking
Andresvmb [1]: Enchant


this makes sense if scum!Bell doesn't want to be part of the top team because if you are in the top team you get framed

[Bell]

Actually, I wanted to be the bomb guy, but the scum never made me the bomb guy.

[Dwlee99]

There is an overwhelming consensus on a large number of slots being town. So either scum is just... letting that happen correctly, or there is a deep wolf.

This post I think demonstrates I'm not scum ftr, pooky just made me think of it

[Dwlee99]

actually it kind of fits with Bell being scum because Bell did not really try very hard to become UTR and become part of the expert team and I wouldn't expect that from town!Bell:

-snip-

this makes sense if scum!Bell doesn't want to be part of the top team because if you are in the top team you get framed

Homie I already colored these

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

of the top 8 heal targets - 5 are flipped town, andante is almost certainly town since the frame had to have happened in that group, leaving just me/csf as unflipped.

I am fairly sure we are both town - meaning scum just didn't try to get townread on d1 because their plan was to be nowhere near that bomb

[Bell]

Also, that sounds dangerously close to a plan from a mechanical perspective/strategy and a confidence in my own play that my scum team wouldn't bother constructing for me, which means I would have not only thought about it myself, but then made a decision to commit to it and get the result I wanted.
Which. Um.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am fairly sure koba constructed this plan

i would bet on it

[Bell]

There is an overwhelming consensus on a large number of slots being town. So either scum is just... letting that happen correctly, or there is a deep wolf.

This post I think demonstrates I'm not scum ftr, pooky just made me think of it

I doubt you're scum unless you're good at making fake 1v1's anyway. Note that my perspective and the reasoning as to why I was sotening on you as compared to Baltar was because you were making sense, you're town, you knew it and it was easy enough to realize Baltar was scum. Baltar wasn't town, knew it and couldn't articulate why you were scum when you were literally the only person it could be from a sane perspective that wasn't sheer survivalism.

The best paranoia answer I can give is that Baltar was trying to find a way out not because they realized a 2v1 exchange was at best breaking even, but that it would point away from you because of the unholy amount of wifom involved in choosing not to go for the sensible thing, clearing Dwlee forever intentionally.

But then I remembered that they literally blew up a doctor an that's too paranoid even for me.

[Bell]

i am fairly sure koba constructed this plan

i would bet on it

I completely forgot about them, lol. I'm not sure how hard they would've been trying in thread given they repped out without the effort being visible in thread. It's basically saying they tried in the scum PT, but not in the game before flaking. Which doesn't sound right to me.

[Bell]

I would like to retract my word that I'll wait 5 days to lim Pooky.
Please eliminate them when you're ready.
I was ready yesterday.
But I won't wait 5 days. I'm fine letting the rest of the town solve until they're satisfied.
But 5 days is too much for me when I've already considered this to the best of my ability.
An appeal to fairness isn't something I'm interested in. But I don't really think Pooky was asking me anyway.

[Dwlee99]

I mean it's best to let Pooky do Pooky things in the event Pooky is town and it also forces scum to y'know do things now to keep up appearances another 5-7 days which gives more opportunities for them to slip up.

[Bell]

Do you think Enchant or Andante or really going to do that though.

I've been purposefully limiting my engagement with Pooky.

[Dwlee99]

I mean I care more about Enchant actually doing things than Andante.

Why have you been limiting engagement? I'm convinced it's in a group of 3 so if one of you town tells enough it's a dub