Mini 684: Quacks and Masons Mafia- Game Over

[raider8169]

Well, if there's something you think I've missed, feel free to ask.

This day is starting to drag on. I have not had time to reread and come up with someone worth lynching today, stupid college.

This post seems off. I don't like the comment on how the day is dragging on without offering his opinions thus far. It feels like he is trying to rush us to a consensus before he commits.

I would agree with you except I am not pushing a consensus. It is just another way of saying time has not been my friend lately. I am keeping up with the posts as they are posted but I have not been able to read back and find a good lynch candidate.

[muffinhead]

adjusted vote count

Riceballtail (2)- militant, roflcopter

militant (1)- Riceballtail
roflcopter (1)- Netlava
Netlava(1)- Dattbayo

Not Voting (4)- Sun Tsu ,pacman281292,raider8169, Jazzmyn

5 votes to lynch



prodding sun-tsu, roflcopter and Riceballtail

[Riceballtail]

Meh, still here. Was actually writing a post.

Anyway, I don't feel as though my opinion has changed, although I'm glad someone else agrees that rofl is scummy.

[Sun Tzu]

I agree that roflcopter is overpushing his cases, but I've played with him before and he was the same way and was town.

[Sun Tzu]

Parts of your posts perplexed me Sun Tzu:

What's meant by the term "bus" exactly?

When scum votes for other scum or raises suspicions against other scum, it's known as distancing or bussing (from "throw under the bus").

I was didn't know "we" had a plan, what are you referring to?

I was talking about forming one, ldo.

[Sun Tzu]

Please state your reasons for suspecting the players.

Netlava - tone and anti-town plan

riceballtail - overdefensiveness calling everyone he disagrees with scum and scumbuddies

[Sun Tzu]

Right now, I am most interested in Sun's reasons for his scum list,

See my previous post.

his explanation for suggesting to do the all doctor/quacks protect one persons plan if a lynchee turns up townie,

It wasn't my idea. Has something happened to change its viability? Please explain.

and why he feels a we should lynch now.

Lynching is how town wins. I'm not sure what you're asking here.

[roflcopter]

i've got some things to say to jazz but no time to say them atm

[pacman281292]

Sun, do you need to quadruple-post? that's annoying.
Me confused

[Jazzmyn]

i've got some things to say to jazz but no time to say them atm

No worries, I will be around later too. Take your time.

Regards,
Jazz

[roflcopter]

got a flight to catch tonight and too much to do in preparation for this trip, but theoretically i'll have wifi at my hotel so you'll hear from me tomorrow

[Sun Tzu]

Sun, do you need to quadruple-post? that's annoying.
Me confused

Do you need to baby-talk?

[Dattebayo]

Sun, why do you think we should lynch NOW?

Could you explain and give examples of why Net's tone is scummy?

Sun, do you need to quadruple-post? that's annoying.
Me confused

This is your first chance to get in a legitimate post and this is all you have to say?! In our other game together, you at least made attempts at catching scum.

FoS: Pacman

[Jazzmyn]

got a flight to catch tonight and too much to do in preparation for this trip, but theoretically i'll have wifi at my hotel so you'll hear from me tomorrow

As I said, no worries, take your time. I look forward to hearing from you when you have access.

Regards,
Jazz

[Sun Tzu]

Sun, why do you think we should lynch NOW?

No lynch is a bad plan. Do I need to explain why?

[Sun Tzu]

Could you explain and give examples of why Net's tone is scummy?

If I could give concrete examples, I wouldn't have said it was a tone read. "Tone" means overall impression.

Anyway, I reread his posts and I don't really see anything. I guess I just had a bad impression from his plan or I might have had him confused with someone else.

[raider8169]

Sun, why do you think we should lynch NOW?

No lynch is a bad plan. Do I need to explain why?

No lynch is never really an option, he was asking for a person you want to lynch right now.

[Dattebayo]

Sun, why do you think we should lynch NOW?

No lynch is a bad plan. Do I need to explain why?

I capitalized "now" and you still overlooked it.

I'm just going to make a long detailed post of my worries and questions and accusations regarding your actions so there will be no room for confusion.

Rice seems the scummiest to me, followed by Netlava.

Militant, raider and roflcopter seem protown.

Although I am somewhat suspicious of Netlava, I don't like Rice's reasoning. A lot of people proposed plans on day 1 and we discussed them and they all looked pretty bad. I don't think suggesting a bad plan is necessarily scummy. His was the worst, but I don't think he's still pushing it.

Even though Rice and Netlava are my top suspects, their accusations don't feel like a bus to me so I doubt they are both scum but I think one of them is. I hope that makes sense.

As far as our plan goes, I think we can either just lynch someone and no one targets, or we could continue with having everyone target one person.

The problem with the second option is I don't know who I would want to target and lynch since I wouldn't want to go Rice/Net since I doubt they are both scum here.

I guess we could lynch Rice and target Net if rice is town and target someone else (or no one) if rice is scum.

Bolded mine:
1. You were advocating for a rice lynch before there was even more than 3 full pages of content in day 2. This seems a lot like your rushing into the night. I want you to explain why you advocated for a lynch so early.
2. You wanted to target Net if Rice was town. That plan could lose us the game if Net is town and I don't see how you could have just not noticed that fatal flaw. Explain why you advocated for such a risky plan.

3-4.

Could you explain and give examples of why Net's tone is scummy?

If I could give concrete examples, I wouldn't have said it was a tone read. "Tone" means overall impression.

Anyway, I reread his posts and I don't really see anything. I guess I just had a bad impression from his plan or I might have had him confused with someone else.

As soon as I ask you to give examples, you back off of your accusation of Net. You failed to bring something even as simple as "I found his posts insincere". And you read over Net and didn't find anything; this implies that you didn't read over net when you first dropped suspicion.
This makes me think that you were simply bandwagoning; and to top it all off in post 233 you were attempting to get Net lynched or have the plan used on him.

5. Looking back at you day 1 posts, you were interested in hearing out the entiriety Clammy's plan. But then later on, you suddenly express willingness to hammer Clammy without so much as stating a single reason. In addition, I find your willingness to attack Net odd because you never expressed any suspicion of him on day 1.

Summary of accusations:
1. Advocating for early lynch/ rushing into night
2. Advocating for a plan that could obviously cause the town to lose.
3. Backing off of Net at the slightest pressure.
4. Seemingly bandwagoning.
5. Oddly dropping heavy suspicion on players

[Dattebayo]

EBWOP:

Unvote, Vote: Sun Tzu

He's in need of some pressure.

[Sun Tzu]

Where do you get the NOW from then? Why do you advocate lynching me NOW?

[Sun Tzu]

Stop putting words in my mouth and making things up.

1. I didn't

2. I didn't

3. I said it was a tone read. I'm not scum so I don't know who the scum are. Not knowing who they are doesn't make me scum.

4. whatever

5. I don't have any heavy suspicions.

vote Dattebayo

for manufacturing a case against me based on nonsense

Twisting people's words is a scum tactic.

[Dattebayo]

Stop putting words in my mouth and making things up.

1. I didn't

2. I didn't

3. I said it was a tone read. I'm not scum so I don't know who the scum are. Not knowing who they are doesn't make me scum.

4. whatever

5. I don't have any heavy suspicions.

vote Dattebayo

for manufacturing a case against me based on nonsense

Twisting people's words is a scum tactic.

Um...
Did you even read my case? I quoted you and bolded what i was referring to. If your going to accuse me of putting words in your mouth then at least point out what and how I specifically did so.

1, 2. Read my reasoning and explanation. I have good reason to believe you did. One of the reasons being

you said so

in post 233.
3. That's not even remotely close to my accusation; your strawmanning my argument blatantly.
4. Whatever doesn't constitute as a defense.
5. If you didn't have any heavy suspicions, why did you hammer Clammy or suggest that we target Net if Rice turns up town?

Where do you get the NOW from then? Why do you advocate lynching me NOW?

I never said I wanted you lynched (not yet atleast); I just wanted to pressure you. You however suggested lynching.

Your vote on me reeks of OMGUS.

[Sun Tzu]

1. I didn't advocate an early lynch.

2. I didn't advocate a plan that would obviously cause the town to lose.

3. Your "pressure" has nothing to do with my reads.

4. There's no defense against "seemingly bandwagoning". If someone votes for someone who has votes, there's a wagon. That's not much of an argument.

5. For one thing, my suspicions are not heavy. For another, that's what the game is about anyway. When did suspecting people become a scum tell anyway? If it is, you don't look very good. You're dropping heavier suspicion than I am.


None of your accusations hold any water. You are obviously arguing with an agenda, rather than analyzing the game. I like my vote on you. I now have "heavy suspicions".

[Sun Tzu]

I never said I wanted you lynched (not yet atleast); I just wanted to pressure you. You however suggested lynching.

This is ridiculous. What we discuss in a mafia game is who we should lynch and why. I don't know where you get the idea that I thought we should end discussion and lynch my suspects right now. I never said anything like that. I put some ideas out for discussion.

[Sun Tzu]

If you read my post, it is obvious that you are lying. I didn't even vote. Therefore, I can't be bandwagoning and I can't be trying to end discussion.