Mini 666 - This Could Be Mafia - MOD ABANDONED

[ShadowGirl]

I don't think anyone is concerned about the word "could", i think everyone knows that is in all the PMs.

Secondly, again you repeat the ridiculous notion that the word "could" is relevant.

These somehow seem contradictory.

[Muerrto]

This is mainly for Shadow, Tony, and other's favoring Tony over Tajo for a lynch. See you think Tajo is stupid for clearing Tony. But look at these quotes. I think Tony is stupid(no offense) for clearing Tajo or else Tajo was bussing Tony.

Look how Tajo is going off on Tony, saying he's scum with me etc. What exactly changed Tajo to make you go from this:

Finally, guys.
TonyMontana's post is utter bullshit and I feel good at least some people realize that.
Notice how Ergo and Muerrto dont give a shit about that post.

Unvote

No comment on the question I asked of you several times.

Sorry, must have missed it?

Wow, just wow.

3) Pretty sure I catched at least two scum in my wagon. Now Im seeing Tony and Muerrto,maybe Ergo as possible candidats.
And Fuzzy, why do you think Ergo and Muerrto (post 211 and 212, respectively) didnt comment anything about Tony's 213, the worst post Ive seen in mafiascum in a while?

LOL, Tony's 210.
And people can you unvote me?

How am I trying to divide the town?
Why isnt people suspecting TonyMontana? Or Muerrto?

To this:

Tony isnt scum BTW.

less than 24 hours after that last post asking why more people didn't suspect Tony.

[ShadowGirl]

Muerrto, one question before I have to go: how much of a possibility do you think there is that tony and tajo could be scum buddies?

[Muerrto]

It's possible but not likely. Honestly After re-reading and posting Tajo's attacks on him it really doesn't look like bussing. I think Tony's unfortunately cleared Tajo because of the win condition thing and Tajo's latched onto that.

In otherwords, you think Tajo's messed up and cleared Tony. I think Tony's messed up and cleared Tajo. In fact after re-reading I'd be much less inclined to vote Tony. I'm not sure who I'd look at after Tajo.

[populartajo]

LOLWTF?
Muerrto, what are you doing?
1)The quotes from 626 are taken out of context.
2)Maybe you are missing the posts between these last two quotes where Tony admits to have unvoted me because he has the same exact win condition?

How am I trying to divide the town?
Why isnt people suspecting TonyMontana? Or Muerrto?

Why did you vote for populartajo then?
Why do you believe the claim?

Bandwaggoning.
Well, I guess the fact that a line from his claim was identical (As in word for word) to my own town role was what I took notice of first. It's somewhat of a common phrase for pro-town role PMs, and I'm unsure of if you could assume it's being used, judging from what you get as a scum.

Yeah, I kinda thought that, but i did a quick survey of like 5 mini games, and only found 1 instance of it being used.
So it may be regularly used, but it's not a safe bet.

Tony isnt scum BTW.

That's what changed from ridiculous, utter bullshit post (his unexplained unvote) to Tony isnt scum BTW.
STOP LYING YOU SCUMBAG!!11

[ShadowGirl]

Tajo, did you ever give a name claim?

Srsly off now.

But I agree with Muerrto - I don't see how switching the scum win condition is that farfetched for it to come out alright.

[Muerrto]

LOLWTF?
Muerrto, what are you doing?
1)The quotes from 626 are taken out of context.
2)Maybe you are missing the posts between these last two quotes where Tony admits to have unvoted me because he has the same exact win condition?

How am I trying to divide the town?
Why isnt people suspecting TonyMontana? Or Muerrto?

Why did you vote for populartajo then?
Why do you believe the claim?

Bandwaggoning.
Well, I guess the fact that a line from his claim was identical (As in word for word) to my own town role was what I took notice of first. It's somewhat of a common phrase for pro-town role PMs, and I'm unsure of if you could assume it's being used, judging from what you get as a scum.

Yeah, I kinda thought that, but i did a quick survey of like 5 mini games, and only found 1 instance of it being used.
So it may be regularly used, but it's not a safe bet.

Tony isnt scum BTW.

That's what changed from ridiculous, utter bullshit post (his unexplained unvote) to Tony isnt scum BTW.
STOP LYING YOU SCUMBAG!!11

So you're saying he went from obv scum in your book to obv town? Hm...that sounds familiar but in the opposite direction... How can you possibly disagree with someone on everything and then do a complete 180 and agree with him on everything? You must be scum!

(If you don't get what I'm trying to say there, I'll explain)

Joking aside, I said several times you read that and latched onto it. I don't buy it, period.

[populartajo]

Ahhh...

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!
You cant compare the two situations.
You voted me for ridiculous reasons, things that arent scumtells after agreeing with me (you have finally accepted it). That is a 180 that deserves a vote.
I changed my view of a player because he went from oddly voting and unvoting me to admitting that he unvoted me because he had the exact same win condition. He couldnt have guessed it and he couldnt have guessed I posted the exact same win condition. Therefore HE HAS THE EXACT SAME WIN CONDITION.
HEY, GUYS, THIS ISNT TOO HARD.
Now explain your lie and why did you take those quotes out of context and left out the ones that explained my reactions, SCUMBAG!!
....................
And Shadowgirl, please pay more attention. I already said I could be Disturbia, who could be a watcher.

[populartajo]

EBWOP
I fucked the page.
Mod, could you fix it?

I hope it was that long "ah", because I have a really wide screen and so there wasn't much difference

[TonyMontana]

You're losing your bearings.

3 days left to lynch muerrto, people.

[Muerrto]

Lol last I checked I have 3 votes and not too many people pointed in my direction. Shrug

Negative Vote: Muerrto

[populartajo]

Dont avoid my posts, kaybaythx.

[populartajo]

And you (and others) need to do this.


Here is the list thus far (only 5 people minus the rates for yourself):

Tony - 1, 9.9, 2, 2 (3 potential votes)
Grimmy - 3, 4, 3, 4 (4 potential votes)
Tajo - 5, 10, 9, 1 (1 potential vote, 1 fence vote)
Muerrto - 7, 1, 1, 4, 7 (3 potential votes)
Battousai - 3, 5, 6 (1 potential vote, 1 fence vote)
Falcone - 5, 6, 7 (1 fence vote)
Shadowgirl - 7, 9
Fuzzy - 4, 5 (1 potential vote, 1 fence vote)
Ergo - 5, 5 (2 fence votes)
PEG - 7, 7
Competent - 8, 7
Vivian - 8, 8

The potential vote is for if a wagon formed, plus deadline, if they would switch over to make sure there is a consensus and that they feel that they could be scum. I made it so that anything under 5 is a potential vote and 5 is a fence vote (on the fence basically).

Waiting for Muerrto, Competent, pickem, falcone (replacement), Vivian, Ergo (replacement).

[Muerrto]

Your post is as bad as your earlier ones. Meaningless drivel shouted by a 2 year old throwing a tantrum. You even broke the page with your tantrum. GJ!

How bout you do what Shadow asked and post your case...kinda like I already did?

[populartajo]

LOL.
Tomorrow. Ill try to be a little more relaxed so you stop attacking the way I am attacking you and start explaining your lies.
And you owe us a PBPA, the rating I posted some minutes ago and your scum claim.
Deal?

[competentpsycho]

Waiting for Muerrto, Competent, pickem, falcone (replacement), Vivian, Ergo (replacement).

waiting for what exactly? I am here. I already gave my ratings.

The only thing that has happened since my last post is a bunch of bickering between you two (again). Muerrto's case is entirely based on tajo's playstyle when threatened with a wagon. Not a bad idea in itself, there could be tells in there. I'm not seeing them though. Waiting for tajo's case on Muerrto.

[ShadowGirl]

Tajo, I don't like how you were subtly pushing me to vote Muerrto... and I'm getting the impression from bringing up the standings as well.

I'd like to make amends to my list:
Muerrto : 6
Tajo: 6 (Seeing as it was absolutely ridiculous for me to bump you up to a nine solely because of your claim.)

Prods: On everyone who hasn't posted. x_x

How can we possibly get a majority when only four/five people are posting regularily?

[Muerrto]

The lists/ratings are always a bad idea because it tells scum who the most town people are and who are the safe night kills. I don't do them. I WILL try and re-read and see who would be my second/third suspect over the next couple days.

[populartajo]

My case is over the thread. Ill quote it for you.

Strange and weak reasons to vote me.

First off, just to let you know, I wasn't prodded. Second,
Unvote positive, poisitive vote : Popular
You called for my prod when I posted friday, then saturday, and I even cross posted with you? It had been less than 24 hours since my last post.
And attempting to link me with Ergo/Time?

Is there a logical reason for that vote? Where's that link?
Things get worst when you take in accoun the level of agreement Muerrto had with me before. That's why I've asked all the game this: How did I go to decent reasoner to obvious scum in so little time? And why I was scum for those weak reasons?
Interesting fact : my wagon was gaining pretty much momentum in the exact moment of his vote.

Muerrto is scum. The reasons why he voted me werent scumtells and were just weak reasons to join a powerful wagon like mine. I wouldnt suspect him this much if he hadnt agreed with me in the first part of the game. He just changed his opinions as soon as he thought I linked him with Ergo.
(Im still wondering where the hell did he get this idea for voting me.)
My point is that he couldnt blame for shit reasoning before (because he agreed with me) then why exactly did he vote me?
I realize my play hasnt been optimal after almost all the town went against me. I just tend to get frustrated when Im attacked for weak reasons. But his reasons for his vote were much before this.

I already admitted my vote was because I was ticked he tried to get me prodded when it wasn't needed.

Can anyone explain me why does this deserve a vote?

Zero scumhunting.

I've been tunnelvisioned as town but thats not the point Im attacking. His attacks on me arent tunnelvisions. He HASNT scumhunted and worst he accuses me of not doing that when its pretty OBVIOUS that at least Im doing a better job in gathering information. I dont know who else he suspects. I have done a PBPA and I have stated my opinions of more than one player. Did he? This isnt tunnelvision.

Pushing a weak case and attacking the way I play game rather than reading my posts

I dont see the necessity to explain why this isnt a scumtell. I get extremely frustrated when nobody seems to understand what Im trying to say and being attacked for that. I think this is the way I play this game. I realize its not optimal and that I need to be more logical and less asshole in my reasonings when being attacked. I repeat that I was lynched as town for pretty much same behavior in another game. And Muerrto and others you definetely know that this isnt a scumtell.

@Muerrto, stop saying that I only used insults in my case/defense becuase its is not true. Don't you find at least a little bit of logic (even if you dont agree) in my posts?
And even if I had used only insults (which is incredibly not true) THAT IS NOT A SCUMTELL.

Blatant lying

Your defense being 'I'm town and if you don't think so then you're obv scum' is in fact a definite scum tell.

Do I have to prove why this last statement isnt true?
Here are some quotes for you:

Nhat: Although he was the first attacking me I can understand the point of his attacks. Doesnt agree with my logic but uses good reasoning and so far has reacted protown to the happenings. Slightly protown.
Shadowgirl: Still dont know if this girl is scum or isnt just paying attention. Joins the group of thinking Timeter asking a replacement is null tell. Joins the attackers of my case. Low posting. Neutral.

Shadowgirl and Vivian are very far to think Im town.
But I dont think any of them are scum.
So, FAIL!

Quoting things out of context and leaving out posts that explain my reactions

See post 629 for more information.
And because this is too funny.

Thinking that the scum win condition is You could win when all threats to scum are eliminated. LOLWTF? Do I have to explain why this win condition is ridiculous?

This is a nice summary

Muerrto just proved that,
a)his vote for me wasnt becuase he thought I was scum.
b)the reasons why he thinks Im scum for arent scumtells.
c)cant think in another player as scum besides me.
d) (new) blatant lying and quoting things out of context. Town doesnt need to do this.
Dont know if this has to be more obvious. Or dont know why some people prefer my lynch than his... shrug.

[populartajo]

My case on Tajo started with his reaction to my vote.

Nice future vision there.

I voted him because he called for a prod when it wasn't needed. Trying to say people are lurking is a good way to build a wagon on them. Since I WASN'T lurking it was a BS prod.

How is trying to say people are lurking when they specially ARE NOT lurking a good way to build a wagon on them? Why dont you accept it was a mistake from my part? How can you explain why did you think I linked you with Ergo?

When I voted him he FLIPPED out. One second he wasn't saying a word about me except that for some reason he had a problem with me agreeing about Time. What followed were pages of Tajo cursing everyone, never posting a defense other than 'I R TOWN, U R DUMB', claiming when there was no reason to, CLEARING Tony because he agreed with Tajo's 'win condition', more cursing, more 'Stop voting me, I'm town'. Etc.

This isnt true and the things you are citing aren't scumtells. Sorry, pal. You are just using this "Oh, being angry and cursing are bad in my fantasy world" for not answering my ideas.

Can his reaction be frustrated townie? At one point maybe, but not this far in. And the fact he's 100% sure I'm scum is suspect. Why? Because I suspect you? Because I didn't agree that knowing the win condition makes you town?

No. Read my big post for knowing why I think you are scum. Stop lying!

Wouldn't you assume since this is 'This could be mafia' that all win conditions are going to say 'could'? If you were scum, couldn't you just SWITCH the town/scum words and quote the win condition? Sorry, but you got a PM too as did Tony so him agreeing so quickly with you and you clearing him so completely makes me look really closely at both of you.

This makes me laugh incredibly out loud.
Peace.

[Grimmy]

seriously...i cannot wait for this day to end...the bickering has dragged this on way longer than it needed to be.

To whomever hasnt voted. Please do so we can end this day and find something else to talk about.

Grimmy

[populartajo]

Grimmy <3

[ShadowGirl]

Batt, would you be willing to vote tajo?

I think the blatant lying part was more of an exagerration. :/

[populartajo]

Shadow you know Im town and I feel you are town also. Why are you doing this?

[ShadowGirl]

I know you're a town? Not so. I wasn't very keen on lynching you due to your role, but I think I shouldn't be quite so wary. I made an oversight, as well. x_x

And plus, it's only a question. Cool it.