Mini 2274: Terminator: Salvation Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

Are there events for every day phase?
HEAL: Roden
HEAL: Cat Scratch Fever
First one is just cuz, second one is because I feel like the question about what Leader does is a genuine town ask

Anyway, looks like this is the chance to put some demons to rest more directly.

[Gamma Emerald]

vrej

[Gamma Emerald]

vrej

why did you heal roden/CSF over PP btw?

Read the post for CSF
Roden I got a good feeling from him saying he didn’t know who you were

Why should I have picked PP?

[Gamma Emerald]

The game is supposed to be mountainous. There’s no way the leader will have a standard role
If I were to guess- they could have a say in the lynch or night-kill choice so it might be worth at least eliminating those leader-candidates who know they tend to scum-side
Getting someone highly trustable and with a high accuracy would be perfect but frankly speaking I’m kinda afraid of seriously aiming for it
I doubt I’ll be able to get a good read on nearly anyone before any sort of yet
So yeah
……..it’s not like theorizing helps right now anyway lmao, lemme maybe just read the thread

We don’t use the l-word here anymore

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm thinkin Aisa is town

[Gamma Emerald]

she seems to be showing similar practice to me in her read formation, in a way that make me feel like she's town
I tend to also form reads pretty spontaneously as town, and the justification can be rather slim

[Gamma Emerald]

not rn

[Gamma Emerald]

curious
how many times did you make a similar intro
frankly speaking this feels like you’re making a meme at this point

Is it a meme if im the only one who does it

The memes, Jack! They’re everywhere!

[Gamma Emerald]

woah woah woah hold on.
I am just throwing out thoughts. calling it analysis makes it sound like im playing the game.

I am here to enjoy winning that bet with pooky before the avatar goes away.
MEMES AND JOKES AND OCCASSIONAL "THOUGHTS" ONLY

Pooky getting his teddybear avatar back can’t happen soon enough for me.

Agreed

[Gamma Emerald]

aaaa how do I reverse healing?

HEAL: no one
HEAL: no one
HEAL: no one

Hurt tags in this scenario probably

[Gamma Emerald]

Loki's interest in being on Andante's good side, knowing how Andante tends to play, comes off as a scum pocket in the sense that they're trying to look good by giving andante leader ? this is like strictly a preflip off seeing andante as town and noticing how loki is treating Andante, as matter of fact town who has good reads and not separate from that, if that makes sense.

ejj feels LAMISTy in like a subtle way too


so rn like preliminary scumpool is [FB/ejj/Loki] for independent reasons.

gamma/CSF had weird entrances too

>:/

[Gamma Emerald]

hectic u werent in squid game were u

my username is not a lie

need proof of this.
get a video of u and hectic in same room to prove ur not him.

I know their true ID and it isn't hectic

[Gamma Emerald]

also that long post was a copypasta from a fun player in datisi's champs game lmfao

certainly sounds like SOMEONE I know

[Gamma Emerald]

ok ill spill why i want to be leader so bad - because i believe that leader gets nightkill immunity likely and id like that for myself.

I think leader has some ability to remove someone from the game, because the first ejection being 100% scum-led feels not-right

[Gamma Emerald]

actually maybe not
that is based on assumption of this event being most of the day phase

[Gamma Emerald]

actually based on the event name "encrypted communications" they probably get a hood
pearing time hell yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

I have played with Hectic multiple times
You calling me a rule breaker, fucker?

[Gamma Emerald]

RR trying to hedge a read without appearing to do so

very creative strategy, I'll have to try it sometime

forgive me for being blunt, accusing people for doubtful reasons at best won’t accomplish much at this point
You wrote that read without thinking much, possibly a response to a scum-read on you.
Possibly as a way to maintain the leader-persona
please, quit it.
it just makes you appear unpredictable. It would be good to have some way to determine whether you seriously think of scum-reading someone or it’s just a reaction-test

dont we all hedge. i mean ur hedging on me.
I am hedging on a secret coin flip on a few players.

Hedging keeps the game turning

bleh
forced
Give me the result tho

result of what?

[Gamma Emerald]

hmm
what do you think he means by a secret coin flip?

[Gamma Emerald]

okay

[Gamma Emerald]

I am superbly lost this game
HEAL: no one
I still have certain mech thoughts but reads-wise I feel like I am behind

[Gamma Emerald]

hmmm
why are we choosing ejji as leader?

[Gamma Emerald]

hmmm
why are we choosing ejji as leader?

question still stands

[Gamma Emerald]

hmmm
why are we choosing ejji as leader?

because I have cookies

and am lowkey shitposting

tbh instead of determining why I'm a wagon it would be more productive to find someone else to wagon instead
especially if you don't think you'll change it
I feel like talking about me at this point is just a poor use of time

I'm not trying to change it, just trying to figure out why
that's kinda a weird thing to say dude.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't actually "not like" anyone.

are you sure about that

[Gamma Emerald]

you need to start collecting an enemy list then.
What is life without mortal enemies. I have like 5 on the site.

Also, don’t do this, it isn’t fun

[Gamma Emerald]

Roasts are one thing, making enemies is something else

[Gamma Emerald]

We’re chill for now, I thought you did a thing but atp evidence seems to indicate otherwise
I do have other enemies tho and it’s definitely not pleasant

[Gamma Emerald]

I personally am pretty quick to forgive if there’s a misunderstanding or I can tell the person has grown
But I also have a personal distaste for anyone who abuses my trust. The only people to have done that are either banned or AWOL tho.

[Gamma Emerald]

my last post doesn't make sense.
anyways to clarify i have no reads to share.

This feels like town

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not explaining ejj at this time - I realize I flipped my read there and I want to see how the gamestate adjusts to that shift.

What is your take on this now?

[Gamma Emerald]

ejjinami remidns me alot of prism.
Therefore I don't trust ejiinami
Can't make em leader

This is funny w recent discourse
How does ejji remind you of Prism?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t see why you view my asking Andante if she really doesn’t want to be leader, I would unneal her, “performative”?

Because I did that right after Roden made his post saying pretty much that or did you somehow miss that?
Like how do you have this take and completely ignore that?

Here @ejjanami

Tell me how I wasn’t being “honest” again, I’ll wait.

Mmm
yeah sorry, I did miss that post. It makes sense.

Frankly, I hated the response at first but that it might have been my fault. Let’s talk about it, this wasn’t the only post I got that vibe from, I just used that one as an example.
Your attitude seems performative to me in general.
Besides a rather high self esteem and caring A LOT about what people think of you, I fail to see a personality through your posts.

There is no conclusion about alignment in my reasoning and I’m not trying to do so, so if you’re looking for anything game-progressive, feel free to skip reading this post. Placing it in a spoiler.

Spoiler:

Why are we voting heals based only off a few posts? I like the reasoning behind the heals but the game just literally started.

why aren't u healing?

Because I haven’t decided yet obviously. Why are you asking me that when you haven’t either?

I don’t want anyone to be leader who is campaigning that hard for it. Feel free to sr me for that.

The personality you showed at the beginning of the game and the one later on don’t match up.
beginning of the game- you used short sentences as if playing a person with a no bullshit / straight to the point mindset.

Later on- when I and Andante were thunderdoming- you largely ignored it-

[...] but I think the most important criteria should be confidence in the player’s alignment and I’m healing my #1 tr unless someone can explain a better reason for that vote.

Why is it sus to heal my most confident tr?

Do you have a better criteria for whom should be healed?

You seemed happy to talk about things that were related to your confidence (andante being town, you being town, people being wrong for suspecting you)- yet completely ignored doing annoying but helpful chores – like- clearing up the misunderstanding.
I also found it interesting how confident you acted in Andante’s scum-hunting ability… while she was scum-reading me for misunderstandings which you DID notice. So at the same time you were town-reading both me and andante, andante was scum-reading me, you noticed that “the quarrel is dumb“ – yet praised Andante’s scum-hunting ability for reasons you saw were incorrect.

To be clear- I’m not criticizing the behavior, I’m currently not reading it. I’m stating it as a fact.

First off, I really really really hate the post cap thingie. I love to post spontaneously but when I didn’t read aboit the post cap in Happy Face, I nearly ran out of posts on d1. Why do you hate us so much @Pooky?

you started shitposting after that, which is a good indication that you felt pretty chill despite your town-reads trying to kill each other

What I got from that progression – your own feeling of confidence and maintaining the image of a professional/lofty/above the earthly matters – is what you personally aim for. As long as you feel confident and strong, you will personally feel “good” and feel less motivated to engage despite townies killing each other. You may also intentionally phrase your posts to achieve some sort of effect (like you did at the beginning of the game and when defending Andante)
Again- just a reminder- this is my impression of you. I know it sounds provocative and probably very rude- it’s just the way I phrase things in my head.

What strengthens the view that you may put in a lot of effort to look “strong”, is the way you respond to pressure. Firstly, you tend to react intensely to scum-reads and till now- always attack back, regardless if that person is someone you consider an ally or not.

why aren't u healing?

Because I haven’t decided yet obviously. Why are you asking me that when you haven’t either?

loki frozen and crying in scumchat

This is an extreme reaction to my post since I am nowhere even remotely “frozen”.

Back to thinking you’re scum again.

I don’t have a read on asia yet and I don’t see why you view my asking Andante if she really doesn’t want to be leader, I would unneal her, “performative”?

Because I did that right after Roden made his post saying pretty much that or did you somehow miss that?
Like how do you have this take and completely ignore that?

^ normally, there is a big difference whether one responds an “ally” or “enemy” and that’s what I’d expect from a player. It makes sense to think of an ally scum-reading you as more of “an misunderstanding” and of an enemy as “an attack”.

I don’t get that from your posts.

“or did you

somehow

miss that? Like how do you have this take

and completely ignore that

?”

imo, that’s not an attitude of a person trying to “help an ally get on the right track”
You respond to all scum-reads as to “personal attacks”.

Again, I’m not judging. This is just an observation. It felt like either your ego was hurt because of the scum-read (sorry in that case, and sorry for phrasing it that way) – to the point where the identity of the one who criticized you didn’t matter (that would support the theory that appearance matters A LOT to you)
ooooor that you don’t consider me an “ally” despite me being a town-read and were just trying to pressure me into backing off. (again, being performative for a different reason)

I’m currently putting off determining which conclusion is correct.

If you want me to phrase it differently- I got the impression that you are verbally deceptive, you care a lot about your image and put in effort to maintain that, not necessarily as a way to push an agenda, just as a way to feel good about yourself. Usually it’s harder to read players when they’re playing a role regardless of alignment
Frankly speaking I feel like if this continues, we may clash eventually regardless of alignment. That’s why, if you’re able to deal with being imperfect and controlling your tone less, it would surely help me read you.
If not- then not.

Frankly, I don’t know why I’m ever saying that. Askign a player to change their playstyle has never worked so far and I’d be dumb to assume that it will.
let me just say that I just don’t like this lol
And probably shut up

(you don’t have to respond to this post btw. This is MY impression. It’s not about alignment. Frankly, I may be kinda glad if you do ignore it cuz I feel like I might just be getting into a giant fight and I’m not really up to that)
(just you know, what I wrote is neutral to me. Frankly speaking if I were to describe myself as a person, it would look similarly illogical xd … so yeah…)

To sum this up, I have very little tolerance when I know for a that my words are beung egregiously being misconstrued. I won’t deny all of the ego and combative parts, which are probably true and I’m working really hard to change that. And I get that this is a game of social deception and I’m not entitled to be tr until at least a blatantly obvtown but I am never going to apologize for getting rightfully salty imo for being called either dishonest or now “verbally deceptive” when with all due respect I know that is absolute bs.

And yes I care about being tr, since I am town and while I am extremely rarely miselimed in regular games and while the number of post cap games I have played in is infinitesimally small. I have been miselimed in almost every single one if them because one of my town tells is tone and my having to constantly worry about that is interfering with that.

So you’re perfectly welcome to wrongly sr read me here if you do?, that is on you but if you wrongly accuse me of things like dishonestesty or being verbally deceptive when I know that isn’t rven remotely the case, I will come at you or anyone else who does that really fucking hard.

That said, my read on you hasn’t changed despite you clearly being incapable of reading my true thought process behind my posts. That is in no way intended to be an insult and if it’s coming out like thqt I apologize but you’re not exactly making it easy for me by pretty much coming extremely close to calling me a liar abd if you think I’m over reacting to that, than switch places with me and honestly tell me you’d be okay with that when you know it isn’t true.

So we may possibly have a playstyle clash here. But I’m always going to jump on anyone in any game who wrongly accuses me of either dishonesty or deceptiveness. You are free to dislike me for that but so long as I don’t cross the line with my reaction, I don’t feel I’m in the wrong here.

I don’t know what more to say. I still think you’re town but if you cannot tell that what you’re saying about me is so very wrong, I probably won’t be healing you despite agreeing with all of the trs on you. That said, I am lowkey possibly suspicious that NAHA could possibly be pocketing you in large part because you switched your read on me. If NAFA is scum here and I’m still on the fence about that, then you need to know that they are absolutely terrified of town!me, so much so that they did everything possible to kill me the last time they were scum.

I would really like to work with you but that can’t happen as long as you’re essentially wrongly accusing me of
lying.

Andante had extremely good reads in that Neighbour game I linked, so I feel that estimation of her scumhunting abilities is accurate. I posted that link so you can gauge that for yourself.

I like this post

[Gamma Emerald]

I changed my mind I want to strictly be leader again.

Anyone who opposes it i want detailed reasons because I can actually do well in setups like this with unknown mechs.
Loki- idk if you know this, but my PoE is not "bottom5" or whatever arbitrary number.

And andante please stop blatanrly misrepresenting me.
I will mass quote all the posts that aren't "spam" for you and if you want to talk spamming stuff i should bring up one of your own towngames.

Honestly?
HEAL: ejj
HEAL: csf

I also changed my mind on giving andante mech control too.
If you are going to accuse me of "pointless spamming", when

I think RR is pretty much obviously scum and shoshin probably scum by PoE of me having some degree of townread everywhere else.

I'm *not* having control wrested from me because i need to play nice to not have the game screwed over.

The sheer fact so many people are circling to put me in PoE makes me feel there is at least 1 scum there potentially aiming to silence me because i do play well and yes loki that is why you are that low.

O_O
@andante I kinda wanna ask why you feel like NAHA is “pointlessly spamming”
All that seems to be accomplishing rn is burning post limit if NAHA is scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

@fidget are omnibus quote walls a thing you do a lot generally?

[Gamma Emerald]

It is terrible play to assume a non poster is town. That is how you want me to play. I will not. I will sooner eliminate the 0 poster and expect it to flip scum over most of the rest of the playerlist

do you have actual gamestate reason to believe shoshin is/was scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Loki being this ignorant and not tmi-ing me town is town indicative and this is going to be an annoying game

I obvtown read you in Squid game correctly and got sucked into briefly grtting pocketed by you disagreeing with Guillo in Witch Hunt. I really don’t care whether you tr me or not. You putting a no poster in your PoE who hasn’t posted since June 12th - well before Pooky handed out role pms - is suspicious as hell.

It is terrible play to assume a non poster is town. That is how you want me to play. I will not. I will sooner eliminate the 0 poster and expect it to flip scum over most of the rest of the playerlist

Where did I assume that? Fact: there exists no evidence anywhere that Shoshin posted anywhere on site since she /inned for this game.

I was in a game with scum RC and he hardpushed her slot as scum for being a no poster. Turned out the slot was actually town and Shoshin was a no show due to having had internet issues.

If a poster hasn’t been onsite since June 12th, it likely means that she never picked up her role pm, so the only correct read on her slot logically can only be a null.

This isn’t quite accurate
If the gamestate seems to have minimal scum impact, it points to absent players as possible scum
I had a scum game of mine get fucked over before I could even post because of this philosophy

[Gamma Emerald]

Holy shit we got toogeloo....will this be the first ever game that toogeloo has gotten scum because he replaced in :O

Actually he was scum in a micro recently
He also replaced into that one tho

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: firebringer
HEAL: cat scratch fever
These are my picks rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I dislike NAHA because their reads lack any visible depth
Maybe that’s playstyle but from what I know of them I don’t think so

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't feel like it's 100% scum indicative but I'm not townreading NAHA rn either
Do you object to my FB TR rn? I know you scumread him earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

if people are opposed to Rat leader, I'd do Gamma leader

I’m down to be leader

[Gamma Emerald]

Encanto is town here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Who the hell is Encanto?

take a wild guess
(hint:it’s you)

[Gamma Emerald]

Stop shitposting, just let them get warned
Stuff like that just makes ISOs difficult to read

Who is this towards/about?

[Gamma Emerald]

Enchant replaced Roden
It came out of nowhere for me initially, the notices in the VCs are very innocuous

[Gamma Emerald]

lmao clearly you have low (or maybe high) standards for ISO readability

[Gamma Emerald]

Event

Two:

Change the Past, Save the Future

Secret Resistance Base - 2026

Beep beep beep.....

The flashing comms message decrypts itself in front of your eyes.

Our crack scientists Pooky and Jingle have managed to create a time traveling vehicle that can get us 50 years into the past.

Congratulations on being selected as Leaders! You will have twenty four hours to select a crew of five people not including yourself to join you on this most dangerous mission.

Both crews will have seven days to familiarize themselves with the vehicle's configuration before they must launch for the past.

The goal is to time travel back to the Early 1980s and destroy Cyberdyne in Sunnyvale California and prevent Skynet from ever being created.

There is no way to get back home so this is good bye. Your sacrifice might secure a brighter future for the rest of humanity and prevent disaster.

Change the Past, Save the Future

Game Rules:

Leaders must select teams of Six to crew the vessel[A Leader must always select themselves for their own team, they also may not select the other leader] (Select by Healing Five Players) [24 Hour Deadline]

The Entire Game will vote on which team should go to the past. [Majority Vote Rules, 7 Votes Needed for Majority, Plurality with Seniority at Deadline] [7 Day Deadline]

The Team receiving the most votes will man the time machine to travel to the past.

If the selected team has no terminators in it. this game will immediately end in a victory for the Resistance.

If the selected team has at least one terminator on it, this game will continue and the consequences for humanity may be devastating.

Okay, so it’s like a coalition vote of sorts

[Gamma Emerald]

I need to get back to work, but NAHA, Loki, Fidget, Gamma, ???

Add me in crew 5 times and that's it.

I wouldn’t object to me, Loki, Enchant, NAHA, Fidget being one of the options

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting we have 7 days to deliberate the teams but basically a split second to choose. I have classwork right now, I'll see you again.

EJJ bleeds town to me. Aisa is not as strong, I think she's an excellent mediator and plays protown but technically could be passive scum since, nothing in the game has really forced scum to do much of anything yet. NAHA is probably town and the same goes for Loki. It's just kind of the best I got.

I like Gamma's posting but I specifically recall a theme game, maybe AI UPick, where he afked as scum and got crazy townread. I too remember games where he actively tries his hardest at scum. Not sure. I overall identify more with his lost impression of the early game though.

That must have been on your main because the only crossover between me and you on that account is a game I modded

[Gamma Emerald]

I have come to the conclusion that going to the past is probably where you want all of the town you can to go, because otherwise the game doesn't really make sense. Scum need an incentive to do something, and there has to be meaning to picking who goes and who doesn't. If it's a valid playstyle for scum to stay behind that's a bit strange considering it said we want town as leaders.

I don't think you should try to play PoE games with the pools because I am wary of what happens to the people who stay (and maybe the ones who go). But, it's your choice. We have 7 days to pick between the two teams, apparently.

pedit:

Sort of. Loki seemed genuinely locked in an ego battle with N-Hect, Aisa comes off as a pure being to me.... Loki I'm kinda still figuring out but they play a very distinct town game.

Lemme dig deeper just for you. Yeah it's their relationship with N-Hect, I think they're genuinely interested in the sort of... back and forth they're doing where they townread/scumread/townread/scumread back and forth according to various previous game performances. Loki bogged down like half their ISO with that, idk if it irks them as much as scum. Best I got.

Aija is kinda peaceful. I reread her ISO and didn't come up with anything. I might replace her with Gamma to be honest. I'm not sure what I like about Aisa other than that she's pleasant

So do scum jump in a Delorean with Doc Brown and go to the future? Not trying to be flip being in Pooky games kind’ve does that to you.

But seriously, can you explain how time travel to the past makes sense with this game because that totally went over my head?

It’s flavor related

[Gamma Emerald]

I need to get back to work, but NAHA, Loki, Fidget, Gamma, ???

Add me in crew 5 times and that's it.

I wouldn’t object to me, Loki, Enchant, NAHA, Fidget being one of the options

Why not Andante though? Talk to me more about Enchant. I didn’t really get much of a sense from Roden.

Won reread, I think I get it, it’s like Divergence or something, we need to go back to the past to save the world from the terminators.

I just listed the names CSF gave + a TR of my own
Andante is also potentially viable but ngl I’m wary of her
I feel like I might be learning Enchant’s style fairly well, don’t want to give the full road map yet but there’s a game he replaced me in that is kinda my blueprint for his town game, it felt like this. Also recall TRing Roden earlier.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I wanted to construct a group I felt good about being town rn it’d probably be me, Loki, Enchant, Fidget, and FB, with CSF as captain

[Gamma Emerald]

Enchant has a certain energy I’m like 90% certain he has as town vs. as scum
You were in the game I said to cross-reference

[Gamma Emerald]

im the best enchant reader on the site and enchant has not towntold yet so theres a good possibility gamma just TMI'd them lmao

andante is different bc andante does that kind of read and its prob just a gut read

You’re probably town because you’re once again breaking your back to try and justify an SR on me

[Gamma Emerald]

lol ok, I think Loki and Aisa are 2 maf

0/2 there champ

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm a bit on tilt because of rl so be wary of that rn
VOTE: phase extension

[Gamma Emerald]

Pls tell me ur joking
I feel like doing that removes accountability to some degree

[Gamma Emerald]

Imagine both leaders are mafia and whole point is moot.

I mean, Pooky did say electing town leaders was important

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I’m back to suspecting NAHA
their Loki read philosophy seems kinda off here
I think in general they should have different reads as town

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I’m back to suspecting NAHA
their Loki read philosophy seems kinda off here
I think in general they should have different reads as town

What reads do you think should be different?

Me and fire

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I don’t think NAHA came to a natural townread on Loki, and rather they felt pushing her was detrimental to their agenda

[Gamma Emerald]

Would really like if ejji could post a bit before deadline

[Gamma Emerald]

Says mr enchant tmi-er

That’s actually another point against you, thinking about it! You should know my point of reference for town!enchant. Calling my read TMI shows you don’t want to genuinely engage my reads.

[Gamma Emerald]

lmao
You’re calling my enchant read inconsistent? HOW.
Pretty sure I also townread Roden

[Gamma Emerald]

If you’re town you need to re-assess your assumptions of how I form reads
I am a lot more fast-and-loose with them than you seem to think
Also, you’ve kept me low in your reads from the very beginning so I think only now changing things up is not how scum!me would play this

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m hereeee T-T
Heck I’m tired
I’be skimmed through the thread

I love the fact that Loki still hasn’t answered my suggestion.
And I love that I asked (multiple players) for elaborations on rat, fidget and Loki… and see none
Before I say anything- this is a really tough day for me. Please do ignore it if I’m more of an ass today than previously
I’m just really not in the mood to solve

I’ll try to take a 30min nap and get back to reading through ISOs
If anyone wants to help me- aGAiN- I’m looking for players who have played with Loki before. I want those who disagree on my read on rat to comment on it
Frankly speaking it’s not my obligation to convince myself out of a read if it’s wrong
It’s not like I didn’t ask
Talk to me please because there isn’t a lot of time

(P.edit. Ok hectic did talk about RR rn. What do you think about my read tho?)
(Thank you btw)

Loki I think is just generally town but also his TR on me makes a lot of sense
The problem is backing this up in a tangible fashion would out his main

Fidget I feel like seems solvy, she(?) isn’t that strong a TR, in fact before I determined the walls were par for the course I felt wary of that aspect of her play

[Gamma Emerald]

duuuuuuuuuude Loki's vibe in viewtopic.php?t=86537&f=84&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
(town game) is so different than here

The reads are straight to the point and there's much less AtE, especially when responding to scum-reads
even tho he does get annoyed by scum-reads as town, he complains about it in 1- sentences max and goes back to solving right away
not like here where it's literally several dramatic walls one after another
reading further but lol YEAH I don't trust this at all
It feels as if he's trying to portray his reactions clearly here and make sure that people do see it - TLDR - the lamist mindset may truly be scummy

getting more and more convinced that the town-read on gamma might just be whiteknighting

if Loki is WKing me I'm not seeing it
once again tho, can't exactly establish what I think it's based on without revealing things I shouldn't

[Gamma Emerald]

Has Cat asked for advice from any of their town reads on who to put on their team?

idk about asking but I have given a lot of probably-unsolicited advice

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I think NAHA is back in town territory after that last interaction

[Gamma Emerald]

if Loki is WKing me I'm not seeing it
once again tho, can't exactly establish what I think it's based on without revealing things I shouldn't

then just enjoy my town-read on you
If loki is town, the merit is 100% theirs. They're just playing well

esghidnkf
actually, are you trying to say that you think the town-read on you makes sense or that scum!loki would have never town-read you that strongly?

I think if scum!Loki were to use that same point of logic it'd feel different

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm actually thinking ejji is town here, the hustle to solve is v good

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you should give him a chance to absorb that change in circumstance before calling him scum for that
I know in a past game where there was a soft post cap on d1 specifically I posted in a way that pinged a lot of people as a result of it (I was a hydra but I still think it's relevant)

[Gamma Emerald]

that was @ loki

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you should give him a chance to absorb that change in circumstance before calling him scum for that

wdym by that?
I don't understand the sentence tbh

I mean you didn't yet respond to Loki when he said that so it felt premature to judge based on a thought that seemed half-baked
Do you think the post cap changes how you perceive Loki at all?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hectic, can you talk to me about your Gamma read, because I currently think you're both town and would like you both in my crew. is Gamma aware of Enchant's scumrange? His read would not be TMI if he's not aware.

I've seen enchant scum a few times, but I'm not really sorting enchant by whether he's in his scumrange or not
instead I'm looking at the vibe of his posts, and they feel similar to this game than any scumgame of his I've seen
but I also wanna hear Loki's take on things

[Gamma Emerald]

I have great trouble believing that ejji seriously believes that either.

what if I do?

I mean, bleh
I wasn't gonna get into that conversation right now
If my answer doesn't satisfy you when I do talk, feel free to just yeet me then
let's just move past that for now

sigh

still think you're town but I can't really make Loki see that if you're gonna go this route

[Gamma Emerald]

Hectic, can you talk to me about your Gamma read, because I currently think you're both town and would like you both in my crew. is Gamma aware of Enchant's scumrange? His read would not be TMI if he's not aware.

I've seen enchant scum a few times, but I'm not really sorting enchant by whether he's in his scumrange or not
instead I'm looking at the vibe of his posts, and they feel similar to this game than any scumgame of his I've seen
but I also wanna hear Loki's take on things

can loki read them?

probably

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma who do you think is scum?

idk, I had suspicions of ejji and NAHA but both of those have shifted
Toog ig could be scum, I did enjoy my interaction with him but it wasn't as much of a breakout moment as my interactions with FB
I have a substantial number of TRs tho which I would call typical of me

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald
Aisa
NotAHecticAlt
Fidget
ejjinami
Cat Scratch Fever
Firebringer
Enchant
Loki Dokie

Radical Rat
Toogeloo
PenguinPower
Andante

snapshot of my reads/PoE rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I dislike NAHA because their reads lack any visible depth
Maybe that’s playstyle but from what I know of them I don’t think so

elaborate on this one. You have played with them before and talked about that
Frankly, how that read comes across to me is: "I know that NAHA is normally like that yet I want to SR them anyway"

I mentioned playstyle because it was specifically asked about
what I meant by lacking visible depth is that the progression on several slots has been non-existent. You and CSF are the main ones. A part of it tho is it felt (well, maybe even still feels) like NAHA has been specifically avoiding actually updated their read on me at all

[Gamma Emerald]

Almost everyone who uses alts is super obvious when they do. It must be some kind of phenomena.

it's really hard to play an alt as if you're new
so yeah alts are pretty obv but that doesn't mean they can be ID'd readily
typically I need to play 20 questions with someone in order to guess their alt
some players tho, like Koba, are actually blatant

[Gamma Emerald]

lmao so much controversy on a list that was pretty much beat-for-beat in playerlist order
I just took my non-TRs out of the top block and put them in the bottom one

[Gamma Emerald]

yoo all my SRs are at the top of Gamma's list lol that's funny

that's kinda why I don't TR you tho, is our reads don't mesh
not that I particularly expect them to but I dislike that you're pushing folks I think are town

[Gamma Emerald]

lmao so much controversy on a list that was pretty much beat-for-beat in playerlist order
I just took my non-TRs out of the top block and put them in the bottom one

So it’s not ordered then?

YES

[Gamma Emerald]

because it's a bad list

btw is this just bcuz you're at the bottom?

[Gamma Emerald]

because it's a bad list

btw is this just bcuz you're at the bottom?

No - it was based on the assumption it was ordered which ya know, wasn't clear since you were at the top and that's usually how ordered lists start.

fair, I don't often include myself in lists even if it's a townblock

[Gamma Emerald]

RR trying to hedge a read without appearing to do so

very creative strategy, I'll have to try it sometime

forgive me for being blunt, accusing people for doubtful reasons at best won’t accomplish much at this point
You wrote that read without thinking much, possibly a response to a scum-read on you.
Possibly as a way to maintain the leader-persona
please, quit it.
it just makes you appear unpredictable. It would be good to have some way to determine whether you seriously think of scum-reading someone or it’s just a reaction-test

dont we all hedge. i mean ur hedging on me.
I am hedging on a secret coin flip on a few players.

Hedging keeps the game turning

bleh
forced
Give me the result tho

The lie detector says:
Inconclusive

my last post doesn't make sense.
anyways to clarify i have no reads to share.

these feel like town posts, there's an energy of actual care for performance in the game
that goes for the whole ISO in general I'd say

[Gamma Emerald]

ejjinami remidns me alot of prism.
Therefore I don't trust ejiinami
Can't make em leader

this also shines out as a solid sorting post in a way
Prism loves to deride my poor readrate on her, saying I've always TRed scum!her (which maybe more recently was true but idk about back when I first started on here). So skepticism towards someone that plays like her is probably wise

[Gamma Emerald]

crap, I may fail to get this done within the remaining 22 minutes

I truly don't know what to do next tbh

if deadline passes thread locks and you still get to submit, you just have to make your choice without any further input
but tbh I think the strides you've made so far should help you put together a solid team
I'm likely going to favor CSF's to start if it remains what was in that image but I'm open to yours if a) it contains folks that are in that upper group I posted earlier or b) you convince me on anyone not in that group that's in your team selection

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm assuming RR is gonna be in your group, so that lowers the value of it currently

[Gamma Emerald]

crap, I may fail to get this done within the remaining 22 minutes

I truly don't know what to do next tbh

if deadline passes thread locks and you still get to submit, you just have to make your choice without any further input
but tbh I think the strides you've made so far should help you put together a solid team
I'm likely going to favor CSF's to start if it remains what was in that image but I'm open to yours if a) it contains folks that are in that upper group I posted earlier or b) you convince me on anyone not in that group that's in your team selection

you know, you could be in both groups

I think I misread the intent of this comment
I thought you were expressing confusion at my indication of preference

[Gamma Emerald]

The Entire Game will vote on which team should go to the past. [Majority Vote Rules, 7 Votes Needed for Majority, Plurality with Seniority at Deadline] [7 Day Deadline]

given this I expect there to be discussion allowed while it's occuring

[Gamma Emerald]

ejjinami remidns me alot of prism.
Therefore I don't trust ejiinami
Can't make em leader

this also shines out as a solid sorting post in a way
Prism loves to deride my poor readrate on her, saying I've always TRed scum!her (which maybe more recently was true but idk about back when I first started on here). So skepticism towards someone that plays like her is probably wise

I will be fair to ejji, I don’t think it’s quite fair to compare them with Prism. Don’t want to say too much more on that but eventhough I’m both frustrated and don’t know qute yet what to make of them, I wouldn’t go that far. I should probably shut up about that since I’m obviously not a humongous Prism fan and leave it at that.

oh TRUST ME I am more-than-over Prism atp

[Gamma Emerald]

but yeah I also don't particularly think ejji resembles her, I just TR the mindset from FB

[Gamma Emerald]

(tho idk who prism is so that really doesn't change a thing lmao)

consider yourself lucky

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think anyone should be voting yet

[Gamma Emerald]

It’s honestly probably smarter to copy some from the other team rather than do a full divide

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Team 2
ok, yall want 2? sounds fine to me

w i l d
Why vote the team with 3 of your SRs vs. the team with 1?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey ejji, why did you not pick FB?

[Gamma Emerald]

Who aside from me suspects Andante btw, because I feel like the worry over being picked out as scum in that group if it gets sent is a bit weird, I feel like attention would fall on RR first

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, now that I found the post with the teams, I actually like Team 1 better anyways.

Why

[Gamma Emerald]

im sick today

can people explain why they support the team they are voting by explaining it player by player btw?
It would be helpful in case we are wrong (which i believe is going to happen regardless of the team bc i scumread a person from both)
If there is town between RR/Gamma i believe that it is important for them to towntell in a way that gets their team through so we just win - bc thats the only place i think there is scum atp

I feel like I have towntold and you just suck at reading me and/or the game so *shrug*

[Gamma Emerald]

i wasn’t seriously about wanting to vote my SRs… i love the votes just casually flying at Team 2… People TR Aisa and Fidget?

I’m near certain Aisa is town but Fidget I’m not quite sure of rn

[Gamma Emerald]

im sick today

can people explain why they support the team they are voting by explaining it player by player btw?
It would be helpful in case we are wrong (which i believe is going to happen regardless of the team bc i scumread a person from both)
If there is town between RR/Gamma i believe that it is important for them to towntell in a way that gets their team through so we just win - bc thats the only place i think there is scum atp

I feel like I have towntold and you just suck at reading me and/or the game so *shrug*

Also in reality this is irrelevant since I’m on both teams
So you can honestly just bite me

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, now that I found the post with the teams, I actually like Team 1 better anyways.

Why

Because I town read more people there... I figured that was obvious.

who specifically

[Gamma Emerald]

something makes me feel like both teams may be impure but not because of loki or naha
anyone wanna hazard a guess as to what?

[Gamma Emerald]

something makes me feel like both teams may be impure but not because of loki or naha
anyone wanna hazard a guess as to what?

*finger pointing at you*

fuck off, I obviously don't mean that

[Gamma Emerald]

wdym "no"

[Gamma Emerald]

I tried to re-ISO Fidget to get a more confident feeling there because my townread has been fading and I got nothing, but I noticed some Andante posts from earlier in the game that feel pretty scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Team 2
I definitely think this is the

better

of the two options

[Gamma Emerald]

You're not sure what the next step is - but you know the fate of humanity rests on your shoulders...

humanity... rests on my shoulders? uhhh humanity might be in trouble lol
~~~

uhhh I would like to specifically request that I am not a town leader.. that sounds like a lot of responsibility, and umm yeah, I'm town yes, and I'm sure I'll be a consensus TR soon enough, but also.. I don't think me being a leader ends well for us, even though I have no clue what it does XD

I'm not a fan of the instant heals... like, as soon as someone hits 6 they're a leader, so like yeah. plus post cap situatiion like, ehhh LOVE the gifs though

I feel like scum more often than not are the ones who get bothered by a game moving fast

oh roden/fidget prob town i forgot lmao

the people not really posting are "prob town" ?? what kind of logic is that...

does anyone have any issue with a pairing of Penguin - Andante for team leaders btw?

this also seems scummy in that she is trying to boil down things to "active vs. not active" when there's more nuance then that

also on a general ISO read of Andante I don't see how she got to her current guess of Fidget/Aisa/Gamma so I feel like that's a reactionary push based on the fact we (or at least me and Aisa) townblocked early
yeah, Penguin isn't really talking...

[Gamma Emerald]

You're not sure what the next step is - but you know the fate of humanity rests on your shoulders...

humanity... rests on my shoulders? uhhh humanity might be in trouble lol
~~~

uhhh I would like to specifically request that I am not a town leader.. that sounds like a lot of responsibility, and umm yeah, I'm town yes, and I'm sure I'll be a consensus TR soon enough, but also.. I don't think me being a leader ends well for us, even though I have no clue what it does XD

I'm not a fan of the instant heals... like, as soon as someone hits 6 they're a leader, so like yeah. plus post cap situatiion like, ehhh LOVE the gifs though

I feel like scum more often than not are the ones who get bothered by a game moving fast

oh roden/fidget prob town i forgot lmao

the people not really posting are "prob town" ?? what kind of logic is that...

does anyone have any issue with a pairing of Penguin - Andante for team leaders btw?

yeah, Penguin isn't really talking...

this also seems scummy in that she is trying to boil down things to "active vs. not active" when there's more nuance then that

also on a general ISO read of Andante I don't see how she got to her current guess of Fidget/Aisa/Gamma so I feel like that's a reactionary push based on the fact we (or at least me and Aisa) townblocked early

idk how this got messed up but ebwop

[Gamma Emerald]

who do you want your other teammates to be tho?

whoever wants me I guess, cause like NAHA is likely town, but voiced they don't want me on their team, so like, it's whatever. I hate picking teams, so yeah have fun. pick me or don't but if I'm on a team, I'd rather be on your team, cause even if I didn't sr CSF before "I'll just pick everyone who healed me" is not a team I wanna join lmao

If you want a bunch of town

RR, me, you, gamma, naha, probably penguin?

something like that would just end the game

Gamma Emerald
Aisa
NotAHecticAlt
Fidget
ejjinami
Cat Scratch Fever
Firebringer
Enchant
Loki Dokie

Radical Rat
Toogeloo
PenguinPower
Andante

snapshot of my reads/PoE rn

YO WHY AM I THE LOWEST?

HEAL: Loki, Hectic, Gamma, Fidget, Aisa

Gamma's PoE is pretty good tbh, I doubt I'm changing my mind on this in the next 30 mins

this is terrible lol my 3 SRs are there. Aisa, Fidget and Gamma

wow this is actually blatant OMGUS, get fucking rekt

[Gamma Emerald]

Just in case, our elims are Fire>Penguin.

Others are kills.

y’all are stupid
FB was obvtown

Obviously we yeeted NAHA and CSF, NAHA went first and then CSF happened

[Gamma Emerald]

Nooo Fidget

I've waited 24 hours to say this so it hits a little less hard now, but to any pals from my PT who are reading and Gamma, that CSF flip was an emotional rollercoaster hahaha.

p-edit: lol Enchant wait till you see our PT

Our order of lims and deaths was
Day 1 -> NAHA
Night 1 -> Loki/Freedom
Day 2 -> CSF
Night 2 -> Fidget

Yeah
Pretty sure Vivax is town based on both NAHA and CSF going after Toog

[Gamma Emerald]

So, during the game split, I had a suspicion all three scum were on the past team.

The fact that you were able to eliminate Terminators both times though makes me falter on that, since starting with 50% control would have made elimination damn near impossible.

So, Aisa/Gamma, what was the final votecount on The Enby Wearing A Hectic Scooby Doo Mask?

Everyone ended up voting NAHA at the end
Pretty sure NAHA + CSF tried to bus for cred off the other’s flip but because we were forced to vote someone it didn’t pay out for CSF

[Gamma Emerald]

Bruh really, why mafia would put all teammates with self, it's critically dumb.

Because a game split felt like an inevitability, and people were allowed to be on both teams, so there's no opportunity cost for a hell of a lot of control over the past game.

I really doubt scum were ALL on Team 2 because there was so much chaos to start that scum making up 50% wouldn’t have yielded to letting 2 members die

[Gamma Emerald]

you have a baked potato for a brain

[Gamma Emerald]

how much of the game have you actually read? you should see that NAHA was pushing your slot for a while. After NAHA's death, and maybe even before a little bit, CSF tried to suggest Toog was scum within the people outside team 2. It seems they absolutely wanted your slot dead, unlike the weak distancing seen between them at the end of the first vote-out
plus, Aisa will back me on this, NAHA made a very weird post asking for people to stop voting them, that doesn't make sense if the scum control 50% of the votes
so try coming up with a take that requires more than a room temperature IQ

[Gamma Emerald]

vote me then you fucking coward

[Gamma Emerald]

based on the fidget kill btw I have a decent idea of who the last scum might be

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

sure mr gamethrower

[Gamma Emerald]

the chat in the present was dead most of the time. The strongest read I got from it is that there wasn't more than 1 scum inside because the only people who cared about yeeting some people over the other were already obv town... but that's already useless

who were these
I feel like FB and Enchant were the obvtown amongst y'all but y'all yeeted one of them so one of us is off our rocker

how did the votes shake out each phase on your side?

[Gamma Emerald]

one thing that's been going through my mind, can scum even kill outside of the group they're in
like, if the last scum was in the "present" would they be able to kill someone in the "past"
it makes little sense flavor-vise
tho I'm unsure whether I'm not reading too much into that

I actually had this same thought

[Gamma Emerald]

problem being, the first vote phase, again, did not go anywhere near how I think it would have if 3 scum were in the group
so I believe scum had ability to kill across groups

[Gamma Emerald]

problem being, the first vote phase, again, did not go anywhere near how I think it would have if 3 scum were in the group

wdym by that?

I'm gonna respond to this but it's gonna be a wallpost so it'll take time

[Gamma Emerald]

problem being, the first vote phase, again, did not go anywhere near how I think it would have if 3 scum were in the group

wdym by that?

I'll break down the action on my side now

I open by j'accusing Fidget because I felt like her comment about doing blackjack and hookers with penguin felt a bit too sure the other side had scum, Fidget immediately posts like 7 times in a row in response to me. CSF enters kinda limply and votes Aisa. Loki posts stuff declaring Toog scum based on how they acted regarding the team selection. NAHA immediately goes for my throat calling my Fidget push "outing", Aisa comes in asking NAHA about their thoughts on Loki and Aisa's TRs on me and also addresses CSF's vote on her.
Aisa then brings up she wanted to find evidence NAHA was scum but just ended up with a TR there. To add some director's commentary, this feels like a weird stance to go with as scum since a) if you want to find reasons to SR a scumbuddy it'll usually be easier and b) if the goal was to just voice a TR Aisa could have just done that and tried to convince others rather than taking the position of the one to be convinced that NAHA is scum. I agree with Aisa's NAHA TR, she then asks me to explain it which puzzles me a little since it seemed like she was more interested in hearing logic the other way.
Fidget starts like, actually tryharding, which I did not see as towny in the moment. Loki says I've slipped in his reads for not having a narrow PoE which wasn't exactly true since I still TRed 3/5 of the other players in that thread att, but apparently no one bothers to track legacy reads when keeping tabs on what people's reads are at a certain moment. I bring up that my reads have stayed their course and Loki asks why they are what they are. I clarify my reads a bit and also ask Loki what happened to the meta TR on me. Aisa votes me right after as an attempt to sort me, also explains that the NAHA re-read ws motivated by NAHA being the only null on team 2 Aisa had with the others being townleans.
Loki clarifies which game his meta read on me was from and then starts drilling me on my reads. Loki also says my preference for team 2 didn't make sense (when I was highly confident Andante was scum but my Fidget suspicion felt more circumstantial), then attempts to say I should be SRing NAHA if I thought thinking both teams would fail was scum indicative (which was an absolute garbage-bin interpretation of my argument!)

I took some offense to the clarified meta because in essence it was saying in order to be townread I had to be a non-entity for the first part of the game, which is sucky. I also start shutting out Loki because I wasn't in the mood to argue with someone who very clearly had blinders on to actual sound logic and rational explanation. I also slam Loki for assuming my read on Andante changed because I was SRing Fidget after he did the same thing when NAHA hurt tagged penguin. Also I was getting tilted that Loki was acting like I wasn't doing anything to explain my Fidget SR when I was, it was just that because my reads are esoteric and can be formed on a whim based off something seemingly innocuous, it probably came off as nonsense. But I also think Loki had played with me more than enough to understand that was how I formed reads sometimes and the lack of comprehension of that pinged me. He also tried to construe me as TRing NAHA for expecting both teams to succeed which is NOWHERE NEAR ANYTHING I HAD SAID. I vote Loki in small part because the bad faith arguments were making me distrust him greatly but for the most part because I could tell he was emotionally charged so I knew a vote would likely result in a lightning-fast OMGUS, after which I attempted to hammer myself (NAHA and Aisa had voted before Loki). It's actually comical that the bait worked because right before I voted myself Loki said he was immune to my emotional manipulation when he feel into a different manipulation entirely to what he thought I was doing.
Fidget actually start breaking down my thought process for Loki a bit after my self-vote (tbf if Fidget hadn't gotten killed that would have made my read on her go very south upon seeing that again, it felt like it was deliberately held until after I had attempted to lock in votes). I start lolcatting a bit but then get serious and say to never eliminate Aisa because I was a bit worried I wouldn't get to read the thread after I had gotten voted out. Following that, CSF breaks the illusion and points out that no hammer occurred because the deadline was hard-set and asked why I self-voted, to which I explained that it felt like NAHA and Loki were pre-sorting me scum in bad faith so I wanted to try to lock them into misyeeting me as a sort of lesson.
Cat Scratch then dives into coalition theory claiming scum would want to send a coalition with 1 scum to reduce the pool (obviously untrue given she flipped scum and I believe was backing her own team) and suggests Andante is suspicious for voting team 2 while SRing 3 people there. She then proceeds to try to play good-cop to NAHA's bad-cop by trying to act in defense of me. It was a good plan foiled by necessity. I also ask NAHA why they TR Loki since, after the meta read Loki had on me turned out to be bunk, my opinion on him slingshotted in part due to me hard-defending Loki to ejji, which resulted in my outlook on Loki being in the negative since I was like "maybe ejji was right all along!". CSF asks me to clarify my position on how Fidget and NAHA's beliefs that both teams would fail differed, which actually made a dent in me because a) it wasn't Loki who I was pretty much not engaging on principle att and b) it actually was asked in a way that felt salient. I pull out the ThorHead card (using meta that's seemingly fair except for a key perversion of it that makes it way less trustworthy) on Loki and spell out for CSF my logic for what exactly pinged me from Fidget (for the first of many times).

I then exit tilt-mode and put my vote on Loki with actual meaning behind it. Loki starts trying to take a moral high-ground by claiming his questions are perfectly logical to which I retort they feel shallow and like I have to explain my reads in baby-steps in order for Loki to comprehend them (this gets called out later). I also note I answered similar questions from others because of the lack of a belief that the answers would take more effort than I thought it was worth. I also call out Loki for what I see as shitty gotcha logic because he said he hadn't seen Fidget's scumgame (despite allegedly knowing her main?) but still tried to claim Fidget's posting pattern wasn't AI, in a way that misconstrued me again (claiming I was reading Fidget on post length when it came down to more of a timing and structure issue).
Loki then starts to change tune a little bit, but not much, asking why I had been dodging his questions (which should have been apparent but w/e), complaining that I was answering the questions he was asking when others did it (see reasoning for why I wasn't answering Loki, btw this bit carried on for a while and got rather grating), added more clarification to the meta read (this was actually rather okay compared to the rest of what I was dealing with) by saying I was trying to force a certain leader in the other game (true, but in that case why the drop of the meta read when the TRs I had that Loki listed as reason to drop it, FB and Enchant, I was nowhere close to pushing to be leader here?), and addresses my Fidget read full explanation ( by getting pissed I didn't explain it to him directly). One problem with A LOT of what Loki brought up was it was couched in a lot of complaining; rather than be glad I was making strides to actual answer questions he was asking, he got offended I wasn't responding to him! That's kinda ego-driven and I don't recall too well if he was pushing me as scum for that but if he was that was not very sensible, he literally let his offense of me answering to others before him cloud his judgment (this is starting to feel a bit overly critical and brutal so I'll mention that most if not all of this stuff I'm writing is probably the work of 2 of the bluntest of my 8 facets. I don't normally broach this subject in mafia games but I think it's mandatory to establish I don't feel entirely right being this way about Loki but it's the best way to convey what went down after the fact, I feel like). My other issue was he posted stuff without really thought-matching the other stuff that was going on.
After the brief period of what felt like good-faith posting Loki goes off by doubling down on his "truthfulness", refusal to actually absorb the logic behind my Fidget and NAHA reads diverging, tries to act like me reversing course on Fidget is unreasonable after the astronomical effort Fidget put in to sort when it absolutely wasnt. Fidget then comes in with the mother of all good posts, which included actual effort to bridge to gap between me and Loki, bringing up a good point that Loki continued engaging me well after coming to scumread me. Like, Fidget's posting was phenomenal atp.

Following Fidget's big-damn-hero moment, Loki starts to process "wait, scum!Gamma basically NEVER tries to go against me like this, what gives?" and backs off for a bit. Fidget does start to post arguments for me being scum in response to Loki TRing me, which in honest retrospect feels kinda shitty, Fidget tried to bridge the gap between me and Loki and then goes into providing reason I could be scum? Anyway, I re-enter thread for the first time after the seeming tune-change, and start just tearing into Loki, including constantly railing on about him missing the one post I explained the distinction between my Fidget and NAHA reads in. This was a bit of a dick move alongside the baby-steps explanation thing because it kinda slipped my mind Loki has dyslexia so he called me out on it and I reeled back in response because I could tell I was millimeters from crossing the same moral event horizon I had in Slaughter Hour (...I don't rlly wannna talk about ti). Besides that though I expressed a lot of those parantheticals I put in this post in my breakdown of Loki's posting. Me and Loki go on fighting for a while, until I hit full-on explosion territory which is where the call-out happens. After which, Loki starts seriously thinking I could be town and I decide to stop posting and take a full on thread break for a couple hours because I needed to clear my head and determine whether I felt like my ability to distinguish game elements from personal conflicts was compromised.
I return a few hours later and post a few things in response to posts that occurred since I left. Loki then snaps back into pushing me because "there's no way I should be scumreading him" because I mindlessly left my vote on him, SOMETHING I AM VEERRRRYYY ESTABLISHED TO DO AS TOWN!!!! I retort by saying in order for me to unvote I would need to not feel like I was backing down from the push just to let myself die! I also took offense to Loki pulling the "I'm disappointed if you're town" card which I previously experienceds similar from a very slimy and manipulative player, that Loki should not be emulating.
Fidget flips back into defending me which, again, very concerning that Fidget was basically playing devil's-advocate to whatever happened to be Loki's stance on me at the time, @scum you fucked up by killing her off! Loki then brings out the actual point of me haaving left my vote on him, whihc like, by not actually trying to approach me with any sort of civility and instead hopping to "Gammsa!scum because he parked his vote on me and he know I don't playe like this" made it REALLY hard for me to want to remove my vote. I also bring up that I've never seen Loki play the sort of bad-faith game I'd seen from her this game so I had zero clue whether she would do it as scum, and told her to stop harping on a bout telling the truh because it was starting to appear self-conscious. Loki says she never re-assesses as scum like she did with me because there's no reason to, whihc prompts me to pull a turnabout card on her by saying that just as her townflip would look bad on me, my townflip would look bad on her. I do mention her play is illogical as scum on the base logic I was employing, but her too-quick jump to accusing me again felt like there had to be SOME scum motive to it, whcih I ascribed as being paranoid letting the wagon on me die would result in her becoming the boot in the end. This results in a sort of impasse, where I can't really talk any more sense in Loki because he's stuck on "I can't let go of pushig you if your vote is gonna stay on me" and I'm kinda in a similar position. AAt that point, I decided "fuck it, I can't get any MORE in the hole, let's provide an ultimatum I have no business proposing!" and try to strike the following deal: me and Loki both avoid voting each other for the rest of the first voting stage. I decided on such an ultimatum because it felt like strongarming Loki was the only way to prevent him from continuing to burrow into the same tunnel he'd beeen stuck on for the majority of the phase and hopefully redirect his effort to finding ACTUAL SCUM!

Loki takes a second and then decided to actuallt take me up on my offer. We start actually having civil conversation where he questions why I reassessed and I explain it was because I couldn't quite grok the scum agenda for reconsidering I put out because his play felt absolutely bass-ackwards to what I described. Loki says he has no clue who would be the infiltrator in the group, to which I looked over the activity overview and proposed it could be NAHA or Aisa based on the fact me+Loki had been squaring off for so long with what felt like NOTHING from either of them! CSF also was on the lower end of activity but because of the smattering of good-cop posting he did I ended up discarding the thought she could be scum. I specifically called out that NAHA's group activity was WILDLY lower than their main thread activity, which felt like trying to let Loki drive the MY on me. Loki suggests Aisa and Toog might be scum, which puzzles me a little because I had no inkling of a connection between them, so I asked about it.
Loki then starts questioning why NAHA had volunterred themself as the second vote-out if I flipped scum, which was kinda not the most airtight line of questioning but I think still rustled NAHA's feathers in the right way to get them to start properly alignment telling. NAHA says they wouldn't let themselves be miselimmed if there was still confscum to yeet which prompted Loki to ask who ws confscum from my townflip, which was honestly a completely fair question as while it was obvious to me NAHA meant there was confscum in the group rather than one specific person, it put them on the spot a bit and probably frazzled them. Loki asseerts it's more logical for NAHA to volunteer to be limmed if they're wrong on the SR on me vs. being right, which I don't think is entirely true but I think either that or Loki saying he was going to start fully backing the idea of gamma!town spooked NAHA off of voting me.

At this point I end up with a kick of new energy because my enchant TR I had from very early on that NAHA tried to call TMI I was finally able to actually back because my completed game sample size was large enough I could point to more then just the normal game enchant replaced me in and mayyyybe chromavolan for enchant meta (I never used chromavalon except to page Loki to back my Enchant read at one point). Loki also provided some ISOs of Aisa, 1 town game and 1 scumgame, from which I conclude Aisa's play just from a low-effort meta basis leans town in this game. Aisa comes in and actually pushes Loki a little bit based on Loki being different in squid game (which I think was already rebutted when ejji brought it up?). She also backs a point Fidget made where my fire-and-brimstone read on Andante was not something they expected scum me to be doing. She ALSO also addresses my concern about her lack of presence.
After that and some engagement between Loki and Fidget, as well as me later down the line, Loki drops the first vote for NAHA This results in NAHA dropping a blatant OMGUS on Loki claiming Aisa made good points. Loki and I both basically see right through it though. Fidget also is rightfully skeptical. CSF's posts at this time are basically throwing the softest pitch to explain reads NAHA's way. She also tried to put some extra pressure on Loki.In response to 2 votes being on Loki, I did the same for NAHA. Aisa then removes her Loki vote, causing NAHA to try a last ditch bus on CSF. This does not work out and causes the rest of the people not voting NAHA to vote them. And that's the first vote phase basically summed up!

The second vote phase was way less active. Everyone was under the assumption everyone else was town so theories to who was scum on the other side were kicked around until around the last 48 hours where I decided to vote CSF believing myself the likely pick if scum were to have the control over the vote from no one voting at all. Fidget and Aisa followed and CSF went out with basically no ceremony whatsoever.
I'll be upfront though, I could actually see Aisa maybe being scum. Still feel like it's highly unlikely given how things went down though. Suggesting I could be scum is fucking preposterous though because I feel like my involvement was rather key to getting both the scum yeeted. I will not abide a repeat of Gensokyo where because of people being absolute boneheads and thinking I led votes against scumbuddies twice in a row for minimal gain the trail of the last scum ended up getting completely lost!

[Gamma Emerald]

Ime Toog/Vivax is also probtown

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm, NAHA also went after the Vivax slot a lot though.

I think this is a little bit different because of shoshin being the original occupant of the slot. They literally didn't post at all, which apparently is scum indicative of them according to a couple other people, and though I still find that to be a bit flimsy justification, from the perspective of their team they'd be dead weight. Their presence in the game means it takes more votes to eliminate, but they never push or vote or anything themselves. So at that point, bussing is the best option, might as well squeeze some towncred out of the situation.

the approach would likely see an attempt to give the buddy "another chance" tho
NAHA def did not reconsider Toog in any way when he came in

[Gamma Emerald]

At that point they'd already committed.

It would have looked really silly for them to go from "I am 100% confident on shoshin scum, I am the best at scumhunting and I am always right about lurkers" to "I guess you can have another chance"

When one of them flips red, that interaction would have been jumped on immediately if they'd tried it

scum can get away with a lot

[Gamma Emerald]

why is ejji town? I know some people have said he is but tbf I think he could be scum based on some of the false theory CSF was spouting, since it feels like they could have tried to instate scum for both leaders and have the third scum on both teams so each one would have two scum, letting CSF spout that false theory of 1 scum in the coalition to scum's potential benefit in either universe.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ejjinami

[Gamma Emerald]

why did vivax's avi disappear?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Miltank is a neat Pokemon, yes

[Gamma Emerald]

As for §2 (Gamma), I'll have to think it through because I don't know if 3 scum in a PT killing off everyone else wouldn't be too obvious to spot for the people from the other PT before mafia could secure a victory. Since I'm a sub/replacement I don't really have a good grasp on the alternating phases for now to be able to reconstruct that off the bat.

I did kinda think of that, which is probably why my and Aisa's points differed. There's other ways they could have played it though and still had ability to off all the town. Voting off town and scum while using both kills on that PT. The remaining scum could lie their asses off about the two nightkills being killed for towntelling in the hood if that got questioned.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m mega out of it rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Why does RR assume Aisa is gonna die?

[Gamma Emerald]

Other than a growing worry over CSF/Aisa potentially both being scum, right in front of me, taunting me

I'm not really sure I'd want RR/Andante over them. I don't have any burning suspicions but I don't understand what Andante's thinking (nor why there are so many townreads on Andante). I'm scared that they're genuine but as of right now I kind of have been getting the impression they're playing up frustration. I'm really not sure where the immediate vote on team TWO comes from other than for maybe appearances.

I'm gonna read RR's comments on CSF now.

So, these are the mech posts that pinged me, though in my mind there were a lot more of these, I guess I got stuff mixed around in my head.

Spoiler:

Last blurb on spec I promise

but the role pm says we have our voice and vote, but glaringly missing from it is that there's nothing about voting out players from the game, which makes me think the leaders probably have control over the lims. So yeah, I strongly suspect read accuracy will matter.

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HEAL: Andante

This sounds like town!Andante to me.

are they always so dramatic?

Dramatic? They sound genuine and that’s why I’m so confident she’s town here.

what I meant was- they misunderstood my posts in pretty silly ways
I got the feeling that they read my posts, got slighty triggered and then overwhelmed with anger when they started writing and describing how scummy and rude I am. As if just writing that kept fueling their anger, causing them to notice new and new arguments for how I'm being bad (which actually were based on pretty simple misunderstandings- I don't think it should be considered scummy by a person who's emotionally sober)

I was asking if it's normal for town!Andante to get so lost in their feelings and lose track of reality
or like... if it's just normal for them to tunnel

sorry if I'm being rude again, I don't know how to describe it otherwhise

I don't think they lose track of reality, but yes Andante does play a very emotionally transparent game. This is completely within her townrange

Feeling town on Ejjinami, I like their analysis here and on 96

but the role pm says we have our voice and vote, but glaringly missing from it is that there's nothing about voting out players from the game, which makes me think the leaders probably have control over the lims. So yeah, I strongly suspect read accuracy will matter.

That is never going to happen and if it does i hope they get 186 as well

Never say never but yeah that would be kind of unfun

Another theory I have is they get special PR-like abilities based on what I'm reading about John Connor in the Terminator Wiki lol

However, they just seem weird and out of place, like I said earlier, like they're meant to draw attention away from relevant discussion.

Beyond that, the energy here is wonky. I know she said she was sick, and that's probably part of it, but... It feels very coasty, kinda going with the flow.

And then after being elected, the suggestion that she'd just pick her healers is demonstrative of a lack of care or investment. Like, if she's scum here, she's already won, it really doesn't matter who her team is, so picking something as superficial as that makes sense. And then she backed down when called on it, of course.

I do not see what you're seeing. I agree that CSF is light on content early, she's felt like she's not really trying to exert control over the game.

Could be scary scum hiding right in front of my eyes but I just didn't pick up on the wonky vibes RR was getting. I also think the reasoning at the end is stretching somewhat -- like does this:

And then after being elected, the suggestion that she'd just pick her healers is demonstrative of a lack of care or investment. Like, if she's scum here, she's already won, it really doesn't matter who her team is, so picking something as superficial as that makes sense. And then she backed down when called on it, of course.

Really seem like a fair description of this?:

Spoiler: a bunch of CSF quotes around the aforementioned area

If it comes down to the wire since we only have a day, I'll probably pick ppl who voted for me lol

Hmm actually

@pooky

, can someone be selected to be part of both crews?

ohhhh okay then that simplifies things a bit, since we don't have to decide who goes into which group

so we basically pick our top 5 townreads I think

I need to get back to work, but NAHA, Loki, Fidget, Gamma, ???

What does your ideal crew look like, Aisa?

I'd consider enchant.

Enchant, why did you hammer me for leader instead of hectic? We were both at e-1

FB is a maybe town, bc upon review of his ISO, I feel like his posting felt more scum motivated in Infernal Affairs than it does here... he's just like out here vibing. But he's also just a bigger wildcard in general, and idk if I can ever get to a point where I feel good and confident about healing there

ahhh I'll sleep on it. I should be able to make time for this game tomorrow morning

But for now, this is my squad!

Like, I didn't notice the "she backed down when called on it" part. Maybe I just missed it? This really doesn't seem like CSF feeling like she's already won, which I already think is a huge stretch, since we're just in the second phase and CSF didn't noticeably like, go down in content since becoming leader.

Fidget died and thought CSF/Aisa. Interesting.

Fidget was sussing Andante in the hood

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey math. Town's in a good spot and I'm betting the game you're town

It looks like that based on how I read things.

I am not quite sure how the kills happened though or why.

I feel you’re town and in my lock towns but until I understand why two scum died when they seemed to be ahead I don’t want to bet the game on anyone town.

If you wanna know why scum died read thru my ISO until you hit the massive wall, then read that

[Gamma Emerald]

You think all three scum joined one PT?

I think one of the following has to be true
>> All scum in one PT
Or
>> Scum’s votes are weird at end of day one

Both of which seem logically improbable but one has to be true

So I am soliciting feedback after looking at some VCs

Are you aware of what was being voted for?

[Gamma Emerald]

What was Andante’s reasoning for pushing Penguin in the present hood?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay what was her reason to SR FB?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay what was her reason to SR FB?

Typical FB stuff from my skim earlier, I can run back and get you specifics if you want

Pls do

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay what was her reason to SR FB?

There wasn't one, at least not really. But she was very upset about it, so I assumed she had one... But it was literally five minutes before deadline hit so there wasn't time to actually discuss it so...

Then I don’t buy the premise she was tilted out by being wrong on FB.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Radical Rat
I don’t trust myself to remember to change votes later and I prefer this to Vivax