Open 853 - PYP X/Y S_S [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 3.02

with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-06-25 12:30:00).

yeet

Wallflower [1]:

Enchant

Enchant [1]:

Gamma Emerald

not voting [10]:

implosion, Harley Quinn, Wallflower, Roden, Dwlee99, Bellaphant, Ausuka, Aristeia, Save The Dragons, Titus

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~ Save The Dragons is v/la until the 20th.
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[Aristeia]

I really don't get why people were so opposed to elimming Enchant yesterday because "he might be bulletproof! we must test him out with roden!" and now he's proven bulletproof everyone is like "ok lets elim enchant"

like um why didnt we just kill him yesterday then?

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: I missed you Dats<3

[Titus]

I really don't get why people were so opposed to elimming Enchant yesterday because "he might be bulletproof! we must test him out with roden!" and now he's proven bulletproof everyone is like "ok lets elim enchant"

like um why didnt we just kill him yesterday then?

Math imploded and we accidentally hammered before the wagon changed.

[Harley Quinn]

if wall flower flips scum we can JK enchant and vig a VT and still be p much guranteed to win if enchant is last scum

it also gives us an extra doctor due to UB

I think taking the safer path is better

if the solve really is enchant/wallflower we win either way

Like whom?

I currently tr everyone except for Implosion/Enchant and of course Wallflower.

So if Ausuka wants to jk Enchant, then my strongest sr is Implosion but due to mech, I think it makes more sense to jk him > Enchant.

If the game doesn’t end with those 3 flips, I’ll have to reacess.

[Ausuka]

So I think her decision should take priority but rn, I’m leaning to vig Enchant.

I still don't get this? Isn't Enchant probably BP as either alignment

[Harley Quinn]

I really don't get why people were so opposed to elimming Enchant yesterday because "he might be bulletproof! we must test him out with roden!" and now he's proven bulletproof everyone is like "ok lets elim enchant"

like um why didnt we just kill him yesterday then?

Math imploded and we accidentally hammered before the wagon changed.

I would have 100% limmed Enchant > Math. I would have never limmed Math because he totally obvtowned. I was absolutely pissed when that thread was locked and I saw the flip.

[Harley Quinn]

So I think her decision should take priority but rn, I’m leaning to vig Enchant.

I still don't get this? Isn't Enchant probably BP as either alignment

Yes, seems very likely to be the case, since I think someone else would have cc’d that.

[Ausuka]

But like

Isn't that just wasting your shot then

[Harley Quinn]

if wall flower flips scum we can JK enchant and vig a VT and still be p much guranteed to win if enchant is last scum

it also gives us an extra doctor due to UB

I think taking the safer path is better

if the solve really is enchant/wallflower we win either way

@Ausuka, this is why I think jking Implosion and my vigging Enchant makes the most sense. Do you disagree with this?

I think Implosion’s posts have been pretty scummy and I really don’t see any good reason he shouldn’t be jk’d.

[Harley Quinn]

But like

Isn't that just wasting your shot then

Why? I don’t sr anyone other than Implosion so I don’t want to vig anyone else and I like Ari’s argument wrt that.

[Harley Quinn]

My only 2 choices for vig, assuming we lim Wallflower of course, would be in those two and I think it’s crazy that we don’t lim Wallflower.

[Titus]

I think I need to look at claims again.

[Ausuka]

I don't get it? I read Ari's post as the opposite of what you're saying? Enchant should be jailed instead of vigged? Since vigging enchant doesn't do anything

And that you vig some null/neutral read VT to narrow the Poe

[Harley Quinn]

I don't get it? I read Ari's post as the opposite of what you're saying? Enchant should be jailed instead of vigged? Since vigging enchant doesn't do anything

And that you vig some null/neutral read VT to narrow the Poe

I read it as she didn’t want Implosion vigged in case he’s UB and can be doc. I don’t sr anyone else but those 3: Wallflower, Implosion, Enchant.

[Save The Dragons]

I like the plan of voting wallflower off the island

[Harley Quinn]

I like the plan of voting wallflower off the island

Spoiler:

[implosion]

Because I don’t think we have scumteam who played against wncon and I find it extremely interesting that you’re trying as hard as you are seriously arguing that it’s more logical to flip a slot that is far more likely to be town than the slot that is extremely likely to be mech guiltied.

It wouldn't be playing against wincon, for the reasons I outlined.

"mech guiltied" and "likely to be mech guiltied" are very different.

And notice: I've said I'm not even against a Wallflower lim.

I'll drop it after this post because this seems fruitless.

Why wouldn’t scum want to acquire jk? That’s a powerful role for scum to have?

I made that post. From my perspective. I know I'm town. There is no scum UB.

[implosion]

It's true that I should always consider jailing ari but I wouldn't call it 50/50? Like I'm not saying it's impossible scum took the risk but it does seem more likely it's just wallflower

There are valid reasons to not make it 50/50. But it is still a guessing game at some level. I guess I'm ultimately saying that if Wallflower flips town, there is another perfectly cromulent explanation; it's not like we have a guaranteed scum flip and we shouldn't treat it that way even if limming her is correct.

[implosion]

Since I'm still very in the PoE, I'm just going to say I'm UB now, because I think the only way scum-me could possibly win here is to claim rolecop, and making it clear that I don't have that option is worth it. And scum are probably going to have to play assuming I am anyway.

(It's worth mentioning: this is part of why I really wanted to lim Enchant d1, because I assumed I'd be getting a valuable role, in the best case ascetic cop. D2 I felt some hesitation because I thought he was most likely telling the truth about being BP, scum or not, and me becoming BP is useless)

If Ausuka does die, and I become jailkeeper, scum will either shoot me or I'll be forced to confirm like half the player list and you can lim me then. If Aristeia dies, I will become a doctor and target Ausuka every night, Ausuka will never target me (so that if Ausuka dies it confirms me as scum), and again scum will be forced to either shoot me or have Ausuka confirm like half the player list. If scum shoot, like, Roden in order to waste my role, then they're delaying their ability to break up the ari-ausuka pair for even longer. The strength of all this is contingent on limming a second scum, of course.

But we can't lim Enchant today, we have to lim Wallflower (or another VT claim).

[implosion]

if wall flower flips scum we can JK enchant and vig a VT and still be p much guranteed to win if enchant is last scum

it also gives us an extra doctor due to UB

I think taking the safer path is better

if the solve really is enchant/wallflower we win either way

@Ausuka, this is why I think jking Implosion and my vigging Enchant makes the most sense. Do you disagree with this?

I think Implosion’s posts have been pretty scummy and I really don’t see any good reason he shouldn’t be jk’d.

And to be clear, this is the reason I shouldn't be JK'd: if I am scum, and we lim scum today, I have just sealed my own fate as a mechanical loss.

[Ausuka]

I don't get it? I read Ari's post as the opposite of what you're saying? Enchant should be jailed instead of vigged? Since vigging enchant doesn't do anything

And that you vig some null/neutral read VT to narrow the Poe

I read it as she didn’t want Implosion vigged in case he’s UB and can be doc. I don’t sr anyone else but those 3: Wallflower, Implosion, Enchant.

I don't want implosion vigged either

Idk I mean I want to jail enchant conditional on a scumflip, I think I've explained why I think that has utility, can I do that?

[Aristeia]

i think ausuka should never jail me

this way scum have to shoot me and then shoot implosion to kill ausuka

[Aristeia]

hq you need to shoot a vt. we can vote out enchant tommorrow

[Aristeia]

implosion scum basically has no way to win because if ausuka dies and implo is alive thats a scum claim