Mafia Invictus Redux [Game Over]

[Rhyme and Reason]

The wedding was really fun btw

~Rhyme

[Meuh]

Nice to hear!

[Rhyme and Reason]

Ahhh meuh

Thanks

Also my gut says you’re town but my head says you can very easily be scum, what do I listen to, what do I lsiten to

Have you got anything you think you really obviously wouldn’t have done as scum in the game or that makes like no logical sense for you to do as scum?

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

Also if you guys still think Gorilla and I flip S/S in a million years look at this
Dude was clearly pissed at me at this point and I was laughing at it, cause that was a scum!response

Like the problem with stuff like this is that you can go further with a scum partner who’s okay with it to make it LOOK like one side is really pissed but if it’s agreed on then it’s fine and obviously all faked

It’s especially hard to read via forum mafia where we lose tone of voice and timing of when things are said etc etc

I also, idk, don’t find the thing about Marci not interacting with you that way as S/S compelling

I suppose I’m looking more for things where your play strategically doesn’t make any sense from scum

~Rhyme

[Meuh]

The thing with a lot of the arguments made against me is that I'm a very emotion based player and make wild 180s, and I don't really have much to say when that gets called scummy, generally speaking it is, sure. The only thing I can really do about it would be bringing up meta on my scum and town games but that's not really compelling

Like of course there's always some extent of logic behind my actions but like why did I vote Gorilla over Marci? It felt right. Why did my read on Marci change drastically? I had a change of heart after seeing some of her posts on day 2. My actions are the meeting point of a bunch of different ideas and feelings I have colliding and that's hard to communicate well. My actions are very much motivated in making myself feel like I'm on the right track, quenching the dread. When I have moments where I feel I truly end up on that path it just clicks in my mind, like with the Gorilla/Marci thing.

I'll go dig for instances of strategical mismatch in my play

[Kovu]

hmm meuh probably town, she's like the only one even really trying now, so I gues... gamma or gorilla here?

[Meuh]

Like look at this.

Spoiler: My day 1 read on Bell

I’m just sitting here tongue tied. How does one shit post with a mere 150 posts?

The dat’s/baltar thing is interesting.

But not really the main drive this dp I hope.

I’ve seen enough of Baltar and dat’s last games. To where I’d rather see them in the periphery. I sound like FL. /:

*watches*

@tako: easily done.

I don’t have any feelings on the gorilla, sk,

I feel I probably should on fire. Just based on their first posts but eh.

I guess I see generally potential scummy things that have been said before but there’s not much like motivation so much as sentence structure similarities. Context iirrelevant.

Is my post large enough yet?
How about now?

Bolded bits of this post read genuine and actively trying to solve. Feels nuanced in a way hard to emulate, if that makes any sense? Already voicing concern on where we'll be focusing our attention seems well-motivated if actually trying to get scum limmed today.

@Marci what's up with the all caps posting??

Dunn/Gorilla/Fire/VB/Lukewarm/Bell probably town here

You’re still voting town btw.
Just in case you didn’t know.

Helpful as ever.

Maybe the Bell wagon’s correct but the only thing that’s stuck out to me about them is being mildly infuriating, which sadly isn’t a scumtell.

Why is it town for Marci and Datisi but not for Bell?

I think the timing of it makes it less town indicative for Bell. The wagon gained momentum later, once I was being less considered (and only had 1 vote on me, from someone scumread by many).
Bell wouldn’t really fulfill the role of the “existing wagon scum are satisfied with” in the same way Marci or Datisi was imo

I'm at e-4 I think. I don't either either Marci or I are good wagons.

Then do something to make someone else a relevant wagon

Bell’s recent string of posts is very townie-like and they’re probably my strongest townread rn. Both situationally and based on their own actions they should be town.

I think I was too quick to sort VPB, some of the points made against him were pretty bad imo but that doesn’t somehow clear him either. Haven’t gotten many pings from him.

At this point I’m willing to just throw Gorilla/Bell/Fire into the townbin and assume they have good intentions, I don’t see why not.

Well these votes on me are a little odd, but ok.

I’m heading to try to catch some more zzz’s, but I’ll reply when I’m up.

Bell is for sure town; same with Kovu. Those are my solid top two town reads. I’m very confident in reading them both.

Hopefully I’ll be able to townblock soon & sort the rest of the scum out via PoE.

Okay this post is pretty good!

I’ll go back to
VOTE: Enchant

Bell’s recent string of posts is very townie-like and they’re probably my strongest townread rn. Both situationally and based on their own actions they should be town.

Why do you think it's townie?

Their reads just seem to flow naturally, though specifically the progression in those posts looks good.
The switcheroo on the read on me seems hard to naturally emulate for scum but Bell looked genuine.

honestly I'd love to hear more on the Bell TRs, cause this isn't exactly mirroring the bell!town I'm familiar with, this bell isn't doing too much, but it's also like half this freaking table is doing nothing, soooo idk, someone called enchant town right? I'm also really curious on that.... cause enchant is one that still has 0 content

I don’t have any input on Bell’s meta bc I’ve never played with them.
Like I said earlier, being unhelpful at times doesn’t make someone scum, as much as that would be nice.
iirc most arguments made against Bell either
-Revolve around them being mildly unhelpful
-Revolve around their meta
Neither of which are compelling to me.

What do I gain from my townread on Bell here? He was actively getting wagoned (got up to 7 votes) but I thought he was a townie. and it's not like I acted in a buddy buddy way either, I was frustrated with him and wasn't afraid of letting it known.
I think this read doesn't strategically serve a scum agenda. Bell got a bunch of votes and many people scrutinized me for actively townreading him.

[Meuh]

hmm meuh probably town, she's like the only one even really trying now, so I gues... gamma or gorilla here?

Do you think scum aren't trying rn? I'm down for either of them though, since neither are named "Meuh".

[Rhyme and Reason]

Ooooooooh i kinda do wanna powerfade gorilla doe

Has he got votes atm? Could we speedwagon outta nowhere?

~Rhyme

[Meuh]

Fey's voting for him!
Us 3 + anyone else (maybe just Bell?) would work

[fireisredsir]

im around, gorilla isn't my top choice but i could be wrong, i agree that at least meuh is trying even tho i don't actually think her reasons are very compelling. atp im ok with just going with whoever the conftowns tell us to go with

[Meuh]

this also kinda reminds me of large normal 238 d2 where it felt like for most of the day things were sort of stagnant, nothing getting pushed super hard, and it seemed like scum was probably happy with the game state (which it turned out they were, main wagons were town).

and then there was galron, who was kinda lurking it out and going with the flow and a lot of people had him in their scumreads but nobody was really pushing him. and so we flashwagoned him near the end of day, and it prob would have gone through but then tragically yeet had a false inno on him and saved him. but he was scum and if the wagon had gone through we probably would have won that game

like obviously this isn't a reason to vote lavar here on its own but it's something that i was reminded of. the gamestate vibes feel kinda similar. it doesn't really apply if marci is scum but eh im less confident on that now

This type of scenario has happened to me more than once, and I do think flashwagons are more likely to come from town than coordinated scum efforts. It's a huge risk from a scum perspective to bunch up and try to tip the scales for a LHF misyeet D1.

That's why I love a good flashwagon!

I trust VPB, flashwagons good + they have never gone wrong

VOTE: Gorilla

[Rhyme and Reason]

Fire why are you not scum other than lots of posts in your PT with kovu

[Meuh]

3075

[Rhyme and Reason]

I do believe that you wouldn’t want to kill Val but I can see you going with it if the rest of your team were worried about being guiltied


Both posts from
~Rhyme btw

[gorilla]

Ooooooooh i kinda do wanna powerfade gorilla doe

Has he got votes atm? Could we speedwagon outta nowhere?

~Rhyme

Go for it.

[Rhyme and Reason]

Okay that’s actually kind of compelling hmmmm

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

Ooooooooh i kinda do wanna powerfade gorilla doe

Has he got votes atm? Could we speedwagon outta nowhere?

~Rhyme

Go for it.

Trust me, I want to, but I’m waiting on Bell and S_S first and as much as I enjoy sometime recklessness there’s no reason not to wait for them both given possible lilo

~Rhyme

[gorilla]

Humor me for a minute: do you have an actual reason beyond lolmechanics? How much of this game have you actually read? (I would wager below 20%)

[fireisredsir]

Fire why are you not scum other than lots of posts in your PT with kovu

if you want more reasons than 3075 i can think of some for you, those just seemed the most significant to me

[fireisredsir]

i don't think the number of posts in the hood really matters, it's more about the content

[Meuh]

Being in a hood sounds fun, especially in a postcap game
Cakez should've added me smh smh

[fireisredsir]

at times the main thread has been kinda grim tbh but the hood with kovu has been a ton of fun, and even if we lose we'll always have that!!

[Meuh]

Yay!
We should shitpost more, that's 90% of the fun in a mafia game

[fireisredsir]

i like the postcap format to make the thread more manageable and prevent any one player from taking over the game completely by just drowning the thread in posts, but it does cut down on the shitposting

maybe like 150 or 200 cap is ideal