Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

[MalcolmTucker]

I'm not even sure it's that you're playing "weirdly" though, it's just that you're incredibly willing to hand out a free townread early on without much of a reason for doing so. I understand meta will often come into games and that's fine, but your posts could easily read as an opportunistic attempt to cosy up to Shoshin and get on her side early on if she's town and you're not.

I will probably explain better at a later date.

Your townblock, for what it's worth, gives me a similar fear...we're not that long into the game, I'm wary to put too much faith and trust in anyone at this stage.

This is fair. Does it make you think I'm scum trying to prop up a partner? Or just town who's likely to be wrong? Because, if the latter, it's only dangerous if you think one of my three townreads is scum. Let me know if you think so at any point.
Realistically I don't think we'll manage a consensus 5-6 person townblock with 0 scum. But I do think we can make one with, at most, 1 scum. And that's a pretty valuable potential town tool.

Like I get your paranoia but do you disagree with the concept of a townblock or just that i've picked three names already?

I don't disagree with the idea of a townblock in general, I'm just not too keen on ruling out certain players as mafia early on in D1. I don't particularly scum-read anyone you've put in there so far but we're only a couple of days into the game, ideally nobody should be completely free from pressure.

My gut-feeling right now is one of you/Shoshin could be mafia. Shoshin's push on me was weak and opportunistic, but if they're town and you know they're wrong could be a useful pocket for you, as I've stated. I'm liking your engagement a lot more this page though.

[Irrelephant11]

Starting a townblock

[FancyPants, BBT, Frederick]

I would put myself in it but I promised myself I wouldn't over-effort this game so I'd like some town leadership that doesn't rely on me doing too much. That said, if you three like the townblock and then decide to add me later I will not fight it, because again, that would require effort

The last time I asked to be in a townblock with you , I got rejected hardcore

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I want you in my townblock! Can you post a read or two so I can see that you're town? I promise I won't dismiss your reads out of hand this time

[Irrelephant11]

I'm just not too keen on ruling out certain players as mafia early on in D1

Oh, well this is a playstyle difference. Ideally I like to mentally have half the playerlist in a townbin pretty early D1, so I can focus on the scummier players. If someone I assume is town suddenly scums it up, I change my reads accordingly, but generally I try to kill paranoia because otherwise D1 you just spin in paranoia circles all day. Then on D2 I re-evaluate based on flips

Nevertheless, I can accommodate you wanting to wait to make a townblock. I'll wait 48 hours and then (spoilers) will probably pick the same names, but this time you'll feel better about it. Sound good?

[MalcolmTucker]

I'm just not too keen on ruling out certain players as mafia early on in D1

Oh, well this is a playstyle difference. Ideally I like to mentally have half the playerlist in a townbin pretty early D1, so I can focus on the scummier players. If someone I assume is town suddenly scums it up, I change my reads accordingly, but generally I try to kill paranoia because otherwise D1 you just spin in paranoia circles all day. Then on D2 I re-evaluate based on flips

Nevertheless, I can accommodate you wanting to wait to make a townblock. I'll wait 48 hours and then (spoilers) will probably pick the same names, but this time you'll feel better about it. Sound good?

Oh you can fire ahead and form your own townblock if you wish! Not stopping you, I'm just always inherently wary D1. Like to keep an open mind both on who I suspect and whose play I'm liking. My main reasoning for the latter is good scum want to convince you they're town and so can often do a good job of that early on.

[Shoshin]

I will catch up when I get home from a business trip. On Wednesday. Apologies for this.

[Irrelephant11]

good scum want to convince you they're town and so can often do a good job of that early on.

this is true but in my experience the best way to handle this situation is to make reads, use them, and change them later when new information arises (as opposed to not making reads, keeping people in a nebulous nullzone, and being too openminded)

The more I explain my method of play the less confident I feel that I even 100% stand by it. Also it's not really moving the game forward other than letting me understand you a bit.

Do you have a readslist, yet, Malcolm? we're past page 10 I don't think it's a crazy thing to ask for

[Irrelephant11]

I will catch up when I get home from a business trip. On Wednesday. Apologies for this.

I forgive you

[MalcolmTucker]

good scum want to convince you they're town and so can often do a good job of that early on.

this is true but in my experience the best way to handle this situation is to make reads, use them, and change them later when new information arises (as opposed to not making reads, keeping people in a nebulous nullzone, and being too openminded)

The more I explain my method of play the less confident I feel that I even 100% stand by it.

Also it's not really moving the game forward other than letting me understand you a bit.

Do you have a readslist, yet, Malcolm? we're past page 10 I don't think it's a crazy thing to ask for

I don't think this is a bad thing. As a rule I'm generally a cautious player but try to be fairly analytical and look out for contradictions and changes in people's play, both individually and with others in the game. If I'm struggling to get into it I can sometimes appear like I'm fence-sitting a bit, probably more so when I'm town than scum.

I tend not to do full reads lists in every game because they can sometimes feel quite forced, but if you reckon it'll help can work one up later on tonight.

[Irrelephant11]

I'll go first then

FancyPants
BBT, Frederick, Malcolm
Shoshin, Malakittens, Lowell, Eiralox
Confidently Wrong, Cat Scratch Fever --- null
Loftwing
kenny

Hmmm I have too many townreads probably

[Lowell]

I'm caught up. Kenny, Cats, malcolm fine for lynch. fancy begrudgingly town, mala town, irrelephant town, toffee town I guess.

Do you, uh, have any actual reasons for your thoughts?

Offhand, Cats' reaction to getting votes gives me "waah i'm caught for bullshit reasons this is so unfair" vibes. Kenny seems a little too polished with his unfrozen-caveman "i'm a newbie" gimmick. Malcolm seems overly careful and like he's hiding.

fancy gave off "town captain" scum vibes, but now I think maybe that's just who he is--that he hasn't backed off from his pedantry and wordiness is probably a good sign. mala I can't remember, just a vibe. Irrelephant mostly asking good questions, toffee I forget why but in ISO I have town read.

[Lowell]

I'm sure there are other players as well. They're all scum probably.

[Eiralox]

one of those u forgot to mention is me. i'll be studying who the others are, if any. might be significant, might not.

UNVOTE: Lowell cos readz

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Kenny

[Eiralox]

okfor reference all those not mentioned by loweel and 'all scum proabably" are : (slow clap for da lucky winners folks)


BlueBloodedToffee
Eiralox
Loftwing
Confidently Wrong
Shoshin
Fredrick A Campbell

[Eiralox]

oh ok toffe was townread my bad. 5 scum then.

[Lowell]

yeah I have 8 scum

[Lowell]

fred and shosh lean scum, CW lean town, and no opinion on the others

[FancyPants]

@Lowell, are your fred and shosh leans based on meta?

[FancyPants]

A lot of people have read Shosh one way or the other this game and he really hasn't said much at all, I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

[Irrelephant11]

*she

I don't know how anyone without meta experience has a strong read on Shoshin. I wouldn't even say my own read is "strong" at this point.

[Lowell]

@Lowell, are your fred and shosh leans based on meta?

This is my first game in half a decade and I don't know any of you so, no, not meta.

[FancyPants]

OK.

Still down to lynch Kenny, I could probably be convinced to switch to Loft, we have a week left but my two main suspects basically refuse to make any reads so I'm basically down to just hang them now. I might do a reread and some meta diving when I'm more motivated.

[Confidently Wrong]

okfor reference all those not mentioned by loweel and 'all scum proabably" are : (slow clap for da lucky winners folks)


BlueBloodedToffee
Eiralox
Loftwing
Confidently Wrong
Shoshin
Fredrick A Campbell

Whats my prize? I hope its not a night 1 kill again

[Confidently Wrong]

OK.

Still down to lynch Kenny, I could probably be convinced to switch to Loft, we have a week left but my two main suspects basically refuse to make any reads so I'm basically down to just hang them now. I might do a reread and some meta diving when I'm more motivated.

Lynch is against site rules to use to refer to the elimination

[Confidently Wrong]

I'll go first then

FancyPants
BBT, Frederick, Malcolm
Shoshin, Malakittens, Lowell, Eiralox
Confidently Wrong, Cat Scratch Fever --- null
Loftwing
kenny

Hmmm I have too many townreads probably

I had you as possible scum until.this post - and theres never a thing as too many townreads unless you cannot have scum fit outside them