Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

[Confidently Wrong]

I'm not even sure it's that you're playing "weirdly" though, it's just that you're incredibly willing to hand out a free townread early on without much of a reason for doing so. I understand meta will often come into games and that's fine, but your posts could easily read as an opportunistic attempt to cosy up to Shoshin and get on her side early on if she's town and you're not.

I will probably explain better at a later date.

Your townblock, for what it's worth, gives me a similar fear...we're not that long into the game, I'm wary to put too much faith and trust in anyone at this stage.

This is fair. Does it make you think I'm scum trying to prop up a partner? Or just town who's likely to be wrong? Because, if the latter, it's only dangerous if you think one of my three townreads is scum. Let me know if you think so at any point.
Realistically I don't think we'll manage a consensus 5-6 person townblock with 0 scum. But I do think we can make one with, at most, 1 scum. And that's a pretty valuable potential town tool.

Like I get your paranoia but do you disagree with the concept of a townblock or just that i've picked three names already?

I don't disagree with the idea of a townblock in general, I'm just not too keen on ruling out certain players as mafia early on in D1. I don't particularly scum-read anyone you've put in there so far but we're only a couple of days into the game, ideally nobody should be completely free from pressure.

My gut-feeling right now is one of you/Shoshin could be mafia. Shoshin's push on me was weak and opportunistic, but if they're town and you know they're wrong could be a useful pocket for you, as I've stated. I'm liking your engagement a lot more this page though.

They're both town

[Loftwing]

Why are people voting Lowell? I don't see them being scum here. They haven't left much to be desired.

[FancyPants]

OK.

Still down to lynch Kenny, I could probably be convinced to switch to Loft, we have a week left but my two main suspects basically refuse to make any reads so I'm basically down to just hang them now. I might do a reread and some meta diving when I'm more motivated.

Lynch is against site rules to use to refer to the elimination

Apologies I also haven't played in about 4 years I guess I understand why it's a loaded term, I'll try to remember.

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: kenny

[Irrelephant11]

I'll go first then

FancyPants
BBT, Frederick, Malcolm
Shoshin, Malakittens, Lowell, Eiralox
Confidently Wrong, Cat Scratch Fever --- null
Loftwing
kenny

Hmmm I have too many townreads probably

I had you as possible scum until.this post - and theres never a thing as too many townreads unless you cannot have scum fit outside them

what about this post flipped your read on me?

[Confidently Wrong]

I'll go first then

FancyPants
BBT, Frederick, Malcolm
Shoshin, Malakittens, Lowell, Eiralox
Confidently Wrong, Cat Scratch Fever --- null
Loftwing
kenny

Hmmm I have too many townreads probably

I had you as possible scum until.this post - and theres never a thing as too many townreads unless you cannot have scum fit outside them

what about this post flipped your read on me?

Stating you have too many townreads with a list that big, also had that confirmed to me when i started reading back further

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It was a way to extort a read out of CW, which reflects bad on anyone not wishing to do the same on someone else.

This assumes I'm not making a push to get a better read on BBT.

Were you making a push on BBT to get a read on them?

Yes.

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Frederick seems town

Kenny's first post was bad, but the rest of his interactions with FancyPants feels TvT. In particular, I feel like pushing FancyPants, who I think several people have said are town, feels like going against the grain in a way that I don't think new scum would do.

Nothing Loftwing has written seems that difficult to fake but he pings me as genuine town anyway

Shoshin is probably town (before you ask, yes this is meta)

[Cat Scratch Fever]

kenny reminds me of every day 1 scumflip

I've ever participated in, and I think a *lot* has to change from that slot for me to *not* vote there by the end of the game day.

On the other hand, I don't really expect much to change from kenny, and there's always a chance he's town (and there's 2 more scum to find) so I'd rather pressure other slots for a bit

How so?

I'm also interested in why you had BBT in your townblock earlier.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm caught up. Kenny, Cats, malcolm fine for lynch. fancy begrudgingly town, mala town, irrelephant town, toffee town I guess.

Do you, uh, have any actual reasons for your thoughts?

Offhand, Cats' reaction to getting votes gives me "waah i'm caught for bullshit reasons this is so unfair" vibes.

Kenny seems a little too polished with his unfrozen-caveman "i'm a newbie" gimmick. Malcolm seems overly careful and like he's hiding.

fancy gave off "town captain" scum vibes, but now I think maybe that's just who he is--that he hasn't backed off from his pedantry and wordiness is probably a good sign. mala I can't remember, just a vibe. Irrelephant mostly asking good questions, toffee I forget why but in ISO I have town read.

Elaborate on the bolded

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Lowell

[Shoshin]

Post 35. Weird virtue-signaling plus scummy wording ("actually probably" isn't how I picture town describing their alignment preferences).

[Confidently Wrong]

Csf locktown

[Confidently Wrong]

Still gonna tunnel mala until she towntells

[MalcolmTucker]

Post 35. Weird virtue-signaling plus scummy wording ("actually probably" isn't how I picture town describing their alignment preferences).

This is a bit of a desperate reach. Unsure if you're scum just honing in on a read without a solid basis for doing so, or tunnelled town.

I was responded to a legit question from another player in the game, as one or two others did as well.

If you look through any of my previous games or my posts in general I can often sit on the fence a bit and use kinda hedgy language. I get deciphering language and how players use it is a key component of mafia but basing a scum read on someone saying "actually probably" is really weak.

[Shoshin]

This post explained why kenny felt out of place and why it felt like nothing, it was nothing but only if you were looking for reads.

Once I was satisfied, I relieved the pressure.

How did Kenny's explanation satisfy your concern about a lack of substance in his posts?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Post 35. Weird virtue-signaling plus scummy wording ("actually probably" isn't how I picture town describing their alignment preferences).

What's the virtue signaling? Is it the last sentence?

[Irrelephant11]

kenny reminds me of every day 1 scumflip

I've ever participated in, and I think a *lot* has to change from that slot for me to *not* vote there by the end of the game day.

On the other hand, I don't really expect much to change from kenny, and there's always a chance he's town (and there's 2 more scum to find) so I'd rather pressure other slots for a bit

How so?

I'm also interested in why you had BBT in your townblock earlier.

Long over-explainy posts that summarize the game but are empty of reads, + defensiveness without the gameplay to back it up. Two hallmarks of scum, first struggling to gain footing in earlygame, and then struggling to get out of the spotlight

BBT is assertive in a way scum can fake but rarely choose to be right out the gate. Also he's moved the game forward. Also we mindmelded twice, which were both kinda weak mindmelds but since there's 2 other reasons to townread him it adds up

[MalcolmTucker]

Why are people voting Lowell? I don't see them being scum here. They haven't left much to be desired.

They've not really done much so far and they're throwing a lot of names out there as possible mafia with some pretty weak reasoning. Kinda feels like a scattergun approach a bit at the moment, but could be honest town just feeling their way into the game.

[Loftwing]

You don't have to be like "this person is DEFINITELY SCUM" to have helpful reads. You can just compare, say, kenny and fancypants, who are voting each other, and pick a side. Voila, you've got a townread. You can figure out who's done the least that's towny to you. Voila, you've got a scumread. Nothing so far??

Can't decide if town being stubborn or scum trying to seem towny by audacity

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Correct link, I messed up something with the link above.

I've remained unimpressed with what I've seen so far. Off the top of my head, I don't have any particularly strong reads on anyone, and I'd have to re-read the game again for analysis.

Wild that you can read this very thread and walk away without reads

This post explained why kenny felt out of place and why it felt like nothing, it was nothing but only if you were looking for reads.

Once I was satisfied, I relieved the pressure.

How did Kenny's explanation satisfy your concern about a lack of substance in his posts?

It explained why there was nothing of substance in terms of reads, because there was nothing in terms of reads. In terms of general thoughts, there is substance in their earlier posts.

[Irrelephant11]

loftwing/kenny/lowell feels way too easy, but I would also be shocked if it had 0 mafia in it

[Confidently Wrong]

loft is town

[Confidently Wrong]

lets sort by post count

[Irrelephant11]

there is substance in their earlier posts.

please do point out the substance, I keep stirring my soup trying to find even a single noodle stuck at the bottom of the bowl but my spoon keeps coming up with just broth

[Loftwing]

How... did I quote all of those posts?

[Irrelephant11]

CW I'm very curious who you are but I'm also enjoying the mystery so don't feel like you need to share. But also I still can't read you really