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[SensFan]

vote: SensFan

I'm done with this.

Vote: Adel

Maybe you are being too elitist or thick to notice it, but JDodge, your fellow awesome, way-better-than-the-rest-of-us-complete-newbs, scumpartner HAS OPENLY SAID HE WOULD HAMMER ON PAGE TWO IF HE COULD HAVE.

[Adel]

Yes, Jodge is almost always full of hyperbole on day 1, pushing for an early lynch. Battlemage does dumb shit like fake-claiming cop with a guilty on a player (who happened to be a cop)... Relative experience or inexperience has nothing to do with it -- I figure that all players with 1000 or more game posts are probably going to be about on the same level.

What I don't like is players not taking the game seriously, and posting idiotic crap like "Whatever, vote:Guardian" on page two to lynch.

So either SensFan is an idiot who doesn't take the game seriously, or he is a decent player who is used to taking advantage of an environment where the level of play is crap. Looking through his other games, he isn't an idiot, so I conclude that I have enough confidence that he is scum.

I'm not willing to place several more hours into this game. Either SensFan is scum or I have no business playing mafia anymore.

[SensFan]

For example, if you had declared (as town) that you never random vote, and you never have random voted as town, it would pretty damning if you've random voted in 3 or 4 games as scum since you random voted in this game. It wouldn't be lynch-worth evidence in isolation, but you did hammer without good reason on page 2 in this six player game.

He did declare, as town, that he never random votes.

Making sure this isn't missed in the page break. This has been taken way the fuck out of context. Furthermore, I can show a ton of examples of where I have "random" voted, and I can only assume Adel, who has apparently read every post I have made 4+ times, has seen these examples I speak of.

[Lord Gurgi]

For example, if you had declared (as town) that you never random vote, and you never have random voted as town, it would pretty damning if you've random voted in 3 or 4 games as scum since you random voted in this game. It wouldn't be lynch-worth evidence in isolation, but you did hammer without good reason on page 2 in this six player game.

He did declare, as town, that he never random votes.

Making sure this isn't missed in the page break. This has been taken way the fuck out of context. Furthermore, I can show a ton of examples of where I have "random" voted, and I can only assume Adel, who has apparently read every post I have made 4+ times, has seen these examples I speak of.

Evidence. Now.

[Adel]

A page two hammer happened. You were on that wagon. You were pushing for the lynch, serious or not. And now you have a problem with it? I have always said that if you aren't ready for a wagon to go to lynch, get the freak off it. Why are are you not subject to this?

Fixed. A bit angry, and a bit rushed.

for pressure, and to observe how Guardian responded to a bullshit random wagon, and (more importantly) to see how other players responded to there being a bullshit random wagon. SensFan thought he could go along with the bullshit random wagon.

SensFan: would you be willing to move your vote to JDodge if I offered to follow your vote to JDodge?

[SensFan]

Sure. Gimme a sec to find the games, and I'll even try and find the qupposed quote she is attributing to me, which was said in a Newbie game, possibly even when I was Scum.

[Adel]

vote: SensFan

I'm done with this.

Vote: Adel

Maybe you are being too elitist or thick to notice it, but JDodge, your fellow awesome, way-better-than-the-rest-of-us-complete-newbs, scumpartner HAS OPENLY SAID HE WOULD HAMMER ON PAGE TWO IF HE COULD HAVE.

Which he is using, as your scumpartner, to deflect attention away from you, and to undermine your wagon.

[SensFan]

Hey Adel. Mini 643, Time Capsule Mafia. My most recently-completed game as Town.

I RANDOM-VOTED!

Do I need to dig up more examples?

[Lord Gurgi]

Hey Adel. Mini 643, Time Capsule Mafia. My most recently-completed game as Town.

I RANDOM-VOTED!

Do I need to dig up more examples?

At the risk of her just making a mistake, I'd like some more evidence. I don't buy two or three mistakes. Adel, response please.

[SensFan]

Mini 604, ooba Mafia. I "random"-voted. I was Town.

Note that I never actually vote randomly, I vote arbitrarily; which is exactly the misrep Adel is trying to use on me.

[Adel]

Hey Adel. Mini 643, Time Capsule Mafia. My most recently-completed game as Town.

I RANDOM-VOTED!

Do I need to dig up more examples?

Yes, you totally do. I didn't bother to check that one, since it was the last one, and I was out of patience... besides my case against you really depends upon:
1. you hammering on page 2
2. you not being a total idiot

[Adel]

Mini 604, ooba Mafia. I "random"-voted. I was Town.

Note that I never actually vote randomly, I vote arbitrarily; which is exactly the misrep Adel is trying to use on me.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8464 link to that game.

[SensFan]

Hey Adel. Mini 643, Time Capsule Mafia. My most recently-completed game as Town.

I RANDOM-VOTED!

Do I need to dig up more examples?

Yes, you totally do. I didn't bother to check that one, since it was the last one, and I was out of patience... besides my case against you really depends upon:
1. you hammering on page 2
2. you not being a total idiot

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Anyone else here the serious backtracking here?

[Lord Gurgi]

Hey Adel. Mini 643, Time Capsule Mafia. My most recently-completed game as Town.

I RANDOM-VOTED!

Do I need to dig up more examples?

Yes, you totally do. I didn't bother to check that one, since it was the last one, and I was out of patience... besides my case against you really depends upon:
1. you hammering on page 2
2. you not being a total idiot

Why did you not bother to check the above one?

[Lord Gurgi]

Mini 604, ooba Mafia. I "random"-voted. I was Town.

Note that I never actually vote randomly, I vote arbitrarily; which is exactly the misrep Adel is trying to use on me.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8464 link to that game.

...That is semantics, and bad semantics, at that.

[SensFan]

Mini 604, ooba Mafia. I "random"-voted. I was Town.

Note that I never actually vote randomly, I vote arbitrarily; which is exactly the misrep Adel is trying to use on me.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8464 link to that game.

And I "randomly" voted in that game. Again, I never truly randomly vote. Ever. I "randomly" vote in most of my games, though.

[Adel]

I opened a ton of pages, scanned them, and then later I got pissy and dropped an under-developed argument prematurely.

[SensFan]

I opened a ton of pages, scanned them, and then later I got pissy and dropped an under-developed argument prematurely.

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

[Adel]

Mini 604, ooba Mafia. I "random"-voted. I was Town.

Note that I never actually vote randomly, I vote arbitrarily; which is exactly the misrep Adel is trying to use on me.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8464 link to that game.

...That is semantics, and bad semantics, at that.

read in isolation, it stuck.

[SensFan]

Did you also read that I was not an info role and so had nothing else to base my vote on?

[Lord Gurgi]

As far as getting a meta read, here is one approach:
1. Open up all of his games in tabs, & place games as scum in one window, and games as town in another window. Try to actually sort them correctly.

2. Skim the first three or four pages of each game. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours, and skim them all again.

3. Sort each game to only display all posts by SensFan. Skim the first 20 or so posts from each of those games. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours and do it again.

4. Re-read the first few pages of this game.
5. Sort all of the posts by SensFan in this game.

[Adel]

As far as getting a meta read, here is

one

approach:
1. Open up all of his games in tabs, & place games as scum in one window, and games as town in another window. Try to actually sort them correctly.
2. Skim the first three or four pages of each game. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours, and skim them all again.
3. Sort each game to only display all posts by SensFan. Skim the first 20 or so posts from each of those games. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours and do it again.
4. Re-read the first few pages of this game.
5. Sort all of the posts by SensFan in this game.

I've taken a two month break, and I never use a methodology consistently.

[Lord Gurgi]

As far as getting a meta read, here is

one

approach:
1. Open up all of his games in tabs, & place games as scum in one window, and games as town in another window. Try to actually sort them correctly.
2. Skim the first three or four pages of each game. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours, and skim them all again.
3. Sort each game to only display all posts by SensFan. Skim the first 20 or so posts from each of those games. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours and do it again.
4. Re-read the first few pages of this game.
5. Sort all of the posts by SensFan in this game.

I've taken a two month break, and I never use a methodology consistently.

Why tell me to do something you don't use yourself?

[SensFan]

As far as getting a meta read, here is

one

approach:
1. Open up all of his games in tabs, & place games as scum in one window, and games as town in another window. Try to actually sort them correctly.
2. Skim the first three or four pages of each game. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours, and skim them all again.
3. Sort each game to only display all posts by SensFan. Skim the first 20 or so posts from each of those games. Do it again. Take a break for a few hours and do it again.
4. Re-read the first few pages of this game.
5. Sort all of the posts by SensFan in this game.

I've taken a two month break, and I never use a methodology consistently.

MOVE OUT OF THE WAY GUYS, IT KEEPS ON BACKING UP.

[Adel]

Because the methods I actually use are always changing, and I tend to be a bit disorganized about it... but there are a lot of tools in my tool box, so I simply shared one way of building a player-specific meta that would work.