Open 97 - Lovers Mafia (Over in 3 days!) before 703

[SensFan]

Note that whenever asked to back up his claims, Sens goes off on a tangent.

Really? Because I very clearly gave 2 examples off me "random" voting as Town, and its Adel that has since backed up.

And where the fuck are the examples of "OH I ALWAYS ASK BEFORE I HAMMER A DUR DE HUR DE HUR" that I asked for ages ago?

I could probably dig them up, but unless I'm asked to by Batt, I'm not going to bother.

BEEP BEEP BEEP.

Not at all. If Batt is Scum, I lose, and won't waste my time digging up quotes that Adel has read 4-5 times and chose not to mention. If he is Town, he can ask me anything, and I will oblidge.

[JDodge]

Note that whenever asked to back up his claims, Sens goes off on a tangent.

Really? Because I very clearly gave 2 examples off me "random" voting as Town, and its Adel that has since backed up.

And where the fuck are the examples of "OH I ALWAYS ASK BEFORE I HAMMER A DUR DE HUR DE HUR" that I asked for ages ago?

I could probably dig them up, but unless I'm asked to by Batt, I'm not going to bother.

BEEP BEEP BEEP.

Not at all. If Batt is Scum, I lose, and won't waste my time digging up quotes that Adel has read 4-5 times and chose not to mention. If he is Town, he can ask me anything, and I will oblidge.

BEEEP BEEEP BEEEP

[Lord Gurgi]

I made a statement. You respond by insulting my intelligence and calling me a retard. That ignores my statement, and is toward my personality and characteristics.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

[SensFan]

Note that whenever asked to back up his claims, Sens goes off on a tangent.

Really? Because I very clearly gave 2 examples off me "random" voting as Town, and its Adel that has since backed up.

And where the fuck are the examples of "OH I ALWAYS ASK BEFORE I HAMMER A DUR DE HUR DE HUR" that I asked for ages ago?

I could probably dig them up, but unless I'm asked to by Batt, I'm not going to bother.

BEEP BEEP BEEP.

Not at all. If Batt is Scum, I lose, and won't waste my time digging up quotes that Adel has read 4-5 times and chose not to mention. If he is Town, he can ask me anything, and I will oblidge.

BEEEP BEEEP BEEEP

Mind pointing out where I am doing ANY backtracking whatsoever?

[JDodge]

Hey there Sens! Explain how what you're doing now is any different from what Adel did then.

You know why you won't give examples? Because they don't exist. Because you made a brash claim and you're either too fucking hard-headed to admit that you were wrong or trying to hide the fact that you were wrong because you're either scum or too much of a goddamn pussy to actually say so.

Which is it?

[JDodge]

I made a statement. You respond by insulting my intelligence and calling me a retard. That ignores my statement, and is toward my personality and characteristics.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

Read the actual response instead of the vitriol that it is buried in and you'll see I've answered every question that's been asked of me. You refuse to read them because you're so UPSET that someone would DARE to insult YOU of all people.

[Lord Gurgi]

I made a statement. You respond by insulting my intelligence and calling me a retard. That ignores my statement, and is toward my personality and characteristics.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

Read the actual response instead of the vitriol that it is buried in and you'll see I've answered every question that's been asked of me. You refuse to read them because you're so UPSET that someone would DARE to insult YOU of all people.

You did not explain in the least how what you said was not ad hominem, you said I was merely spouting buzzwords instead, explain, please.

[JDodge]

I made a statement. You respond by insulting my intelligence and calling me a retard. That ignores my statement, and is toward my personality and characteristics.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

Read the actual response instead of the vitriol that it is buried in and you'll see I've answered every question that's been asked of me. You refuse to read them because you're so UPSET that someone would DARE to insult YOU of all people.

You did not explain in the least how what you said was not ad hominem, you said I was merely spouting buzzwords instead, explain, please.

I gave you clear reasons as to why it was not ad hominem, in that it was an argument inlaid into a bed of insults. Learn what ad hominem means, THEN get back to me.

[SensFan]

Hey there Sens! Explain how what you're doing now is any different from what Adel did then.

You know why you won't give examples? Because they don't exist. Because you made a brash claim and you're either too fucking hard-headed to admit that you were wrong or trying to hide the fact that you were wrong because you're either scum or too much of a goddamn pussy to actually say so.

Which is it?

Adel claimed I never random vote as Town, despite having supposedly read the early parts of all my games, in which I have random voted SEVERAL times. She votes me for this. I call her on it, she immediately claims the meta read was weak and gives OTHER reasons for voting me. Then Gurgi asks her about her INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO META, and she then claims she doesn't actually meta that way.

Then there's me who said I do not hammer if there is not majority support. I linked every single goddamn game I have played in, classified by type and alignment. If you want to go and find the examples that are out there where I ask for a concensus or that I do not hammer until everyone on the wagon has chimed it, go ahead. I'm not going to waste my time combing through my games when it won't sway you or Adel anyways, and I don't know if Batt will bother doing anything beside laugh that there are 2 people in hammering-range and he is Scum. If he asks me, I will gladly go out and find the examples that are out there. In the mean time, feel free.

[Lord Gurgi]

Hey there Sens! Explain how what you're doing now is any different from what Adel did then.

So, now you have absolutely no reason not to be voting Adel. Except, if you prefer lynching someone who hammered the same wagon you said you would, over someone who attempted to absolve them self of all connection to it.

[Lord Gurgi]

I made a statement. You respond by insulting my intelligence and calling me a retard. That ignores my statement, and is toward my personality and characteristics.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

Read the actual response instead of the vitriol that it is buried in and you'll see I've answered every question that's been asked of me. You refuse to read them because you're so UPSET that someone would DARE to insult YOU of all people.

You did not explain in the least how what you said was not ad hominem, you said I was merely spouting buzzwords instead, explain, please.

I gave you clear reasons as to why it was not ad hominem, in that it was an argument inlaid into a bed of insults. Learn what ad hominem means, THEN get back to me.

I quoted the definition from the page you linked, then explicitly said how that was what you did. I'm done with this line of argument.

[JDodge]

Hey there Sens! Explain how what you're doing now is any different from what Adel did then.

You know why you won't give examples? Because they don't exist. Because you made a brash claim and you're either too fucking hard-headed to admit that you were wrong or trying to hide the fact that you were wrong because you're either scum or too much of a goddamn pussy to actually say so.

Which is it?

Adel claimed I never random vote as Town, despite having supposedly read the early parts of all my games, in which I have random voted SEVERAL times. She votes me for this. I call her on it, she immediately claims the meta read was weak and gives OTHER reasons for voting me. Then Gurgi asks her about her INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO META, and she then claims she doesn't actually meta that way.

Then there's me who said I do not hammer if there is not majority support. I linked every single goddamn game I have played in, classified by type and alignment. If you want to go and find the examples that are out there where I ask for a concensus or that I do not hammer until everyone on the wagon has chimed it, go ahead. I'm not going to waste my time combing through my games when it won't sway you or Adel anyways, and I don't know if Batt will bother doing anything beside laugh that there are 2 people in hammering-range and he is Scum. If he asks me, I will gladly go out and find the examples that are out there. In the mean time, feel free.

Give exact examples, NOW.

and I don't know if Batt will bother

doing anything beside laugh that there are 2 people in hammering-range and he is Scum.

ITP Sens pretty clearly states that he thinks - no, KNOWS - Batt is scum, and that Adel is town (logical basis based on the context of the post).

Flimsy, pull your head out of your goddamn ass and see the light already.

[JDodge]

Hey there Sens! Explain how what you're doing now is any different from what Adel did then.

So, now you have absolutely no reason not to be voting Adel. Except, if you prefer lynching someone who hammered the same wagon you said you would, over someone who attempted to absolve them self of all connection to it.

You're mentally incompetent. I'm convinced of it now.

[SensFan]

and

I don't know

if Batt will bother

doing anything beside laugh that there are 2 people in hammering-range and he is Scum.

ITP Sens pretty clearly states that he thinks - no, KNOWS - Batt is scum, and that Adel is town (logical basis based on the context of the post).

Flimsy, pull your head out of your goddamn ass and see the light already.

Extra emphasis added.

And will me giving you examples cause you do rethink your vote?

[JDodge]

and

I don't know

if Batt will bother

doing anything beside laugh that there are 2 people in hammering-range

and he is Scum.

ITP Sens pretty clearly states that he thinks - no, KNOWS - Batt is scum, and that Adel is town (logical basis based on the context of the post).

Flimsy, pull your head out of your goddamn ass and see the light already.

Extra emphasis added.

And will me giving you examples cause you do rethink your vote?

Maybe. Why is this relevant?

[SensFan]

and

I don't know

if Batt will bother

doing anything beside laugh that there are 2 people in hammering-range

and he is Scum.

ITP Sens pretty clearly states that he thinks - no, KNOWS - Batt is scum, and that Adel is town (logical basis based on the context of the post).

Flimsy, pull your head out of your goddamn ass and see the light already.

Extra emphasis added.

And will me giving you examples cause you do rethink your vote?

Maybe. Why is this relevant?

"I don't know if X and Y and Z" does NOT mean "I don't know X, but know Y and Z".

Because I will not spend time looking for examples if it will serve literally no purpose. I want confirmation that you will unvote if I can find you examples.

[JDodge]

and

I don't know

if Batt will bother

doing anything beside laugh that there are 2 people in hammering-range

and he is Scum.

ITP Sens pretty clearly states that he thinks - no, KNOWS - Batt is scum, and that Adel is town (logical basis based on the context of the post).

Flimsy, pull your head out of your goddamn ass and see the light already.

Extra emphasis added.

And will me giving you examples cause you do rethink your vote?

Maybe. Why is this relevant?

"I don't know if X and Y and Z" does NOT mean "I don't know X, but know Y and Z".

Because I will not spend time looking for examples if it will serve literally no purpose. I want confirmation that you will unvote if I can find you examples.

I will not give you that confirmation. You will do what I say and I will reconsider my stance.

[SensFan]

Yes, my supreme Master!

[JDodge]

Yes, my supreme Master!

That's more like it.

[SensFan]

AA Mafia (610). Mechanic in place where only half the Town (Jurors) could vote.

"We went over this yesterday. Individual Jurors cannot be given the privilege to veto any lynches they disagree with. We need to force them to vote for whoever the majority wants lynched, even if they disagree with the lynch. Heck, I would expect you, as a Juror, to hammer your Mason partner, if the majority of the Town wanted him lynched."

Shows pretty clearly, I think, that I value the majority over the individual. Want me to look for more?

[JDodge]

I want one as scum too, to prove the "regardless of alignment" bit of your claim.

[SensFan]

I want one as scum too, to prove the "regardless of alignment" bit of your claim.

Sure, I'll try. I hope you realize, though, that you basically just said "Alright, so go and explain to me why this is not a town tell for you."

[Battousai]

Woah, I go and get the list of my games and you guys write a fury of posts. I'll post my list now before I jump in.

Newbie Scum

542 Thread messed up, most posts deleted.
569 (my favorite newbie game)

Newbie Town

531 (my ashamed game)
549
583 (replaced in. first post on page 7)
594
595 (replaced in. first post on page 21)
621
632
633
647 (replaced in. first post on page 8)

Mini Town

611a (replaced in. first post on page 3)
611b
612
622
624 (replaced in. first post on page 14)

Mini Scum

549 (replaced in. first post on page 14)
663

[Lord Gurgi]

Batt, Sens and I are on Adel. Adel and JDodge are on Sens. DON'T HAMMER ANYONE YET. THINK IT THROUGH PLEASE.

[JDodge]

Batt, Sens and I are on Adel. Adel and JDodge are on Sens. DON'T HAMMER ANYONE YET. THINK IT THROUGH PLEASE.

Hammer Sens. The fact that he isn't dead yet disgusts me.