Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Game Over!

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vote: xyzzy

for making us wait for this awesome game to start.

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Vote: Natirasha

Also, see sig.

Explain yourself

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BM

I think he is asking about the self vote that Nat does every game and every game someone ask him why he self voted.

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Vote: Natirasha

Also, see sig.

Explain yourself

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BM

I think he is asking about the self vote that Nat does every game and every game someone ask him why he self voted.

Given that information, do you think it is wise to interrogate Nat?

BM

If I stated that the discussion has been done to death and it will never change Nat's way will that impede the discussion? Honestly with him it's a null tell. There are better things to talk about it seems. Such as Hoopla's no lynch vote. Is it a scum gamble or town gamble trying to lure out scum. I've seen many a people (mostly newbs) vote no lynch because they dont' know what is best. I don't really see many town people try and look scummy right out the gate to find scum. Few have done this but I find both points on whether a no lynch vote promotes discussion or someone pointing it out as scummy therefore is scum hypocritical at best. Either it's discussed or you find scum by looking scummy. The first person to discuss it isn't always the scum. I hear talks about jumping on scum tells early being scummy. I see town and scum fall into the trap. Its not a big tell.

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Honestly with him it's a null tell. There are better things to talk about it seems. Such as Hoopla's no lynch vote. Is it a scum gamble or town gamble trying to lure out scum.

Can you envisage a situation where this can be a scum gamble? If so, what is it?

I could see a newbie scum doing it that doesn't know any better. (IE looking scummy because they are scum). I could see someone who doesn't mind pressure that has enough experience trying the gambit. I don't believe Hoopla fits either category.

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Also the few times I have seen town try a gambit such as what Hoopla has done it has been a town person more then scum that jump on the scum tell.

Here Aegor made a gambit out of the 4 people who voted only one was scum.
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This game Rishi also tries to act scummy. 2 people voted either were scum

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So far my experience is that as much as people try this method in a game it has yet to work exactly

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Honestly with him it's a null tell. There are better things to talk about it seems. Such as Hoopla's no lynch vote. Is it a scum gamble or town gamble trying to lure out scum.

Can you envisage a situation where this can be a scum gamble? If so, what is it?

I could see a newbie scum doing it that doesn't know any better. (IE looking scummy because they are scum). I could see someone who doesn't mind pressure that has enough experience trying the gambit. I don't believe Hoopla fits either category.

Newbie scum would deliberately try and look scummy? Really?

So, you dont think Hoopla is scum?

BM

Newbies do look scummy because they are scum. Just notice Hoopla's join date, but as I said I don't think he is scum in this case.

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@Bm. You misunderstood my post. This was the key point.

I could see a newbie scum doing it that doesn't know any better.

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Oh joy BM is spamming.
Sobeahero: Is Der the only one you caught doing this? What about others who have just done a random vote and offered nothing else since.
BM your meta is showing stop it.
I loved what Hoopla did, however as I stated both town and scum fall into this trap. I see it as a null tell at best. It does get the conversation flowing off the random stage which is nice.
Sens: Glad to see you are joining us how about reading and adding to the game.

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Sorry I fell behind in this game. I am posting this as a reminder to read through the game today and post my thoughts.

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Got through 2 pages. I have to take off.
Here's what I have thus far.

I don't get the BW comments coming from BM on sir T.
Hoopla's No lynch is bad. George's reasons for why it is bad is wrong.
Seraphim misses the point entirely.
Shanba post 18 why is BM fine with his comment and Sir T not?
Post 22 Don't get why Sir T is joining the BW on Hoopla. Odd.
I agree with post from BM page 2, but spam is not needed. Thanks
Post 32 OMGL - Hits the nail on the head.
Sera Post 34 sure is uppity for an FOS. Post 36 paranoid much?
Der hammer post 38 - What?
Yos2 Post 48 - is correct.

Okay I state again just for the record town and scum fall for this trap. People do things scummy and town will call you out. Scum will either hide in the argument or vote on a BW. I think George was wrong with his statement on why No lynch topic. I think people jumping on GC comment look more questionable.
The most questionabe are the BW votes on Hoopla by page 2.

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BM you turned by mind to mush in trying to read through with your spamming. I plead with you to stop just for the sake of any replacements that may be needed in this game.

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Puta Puta is a better lynch than tubby.

I still need to catch up but just reading this page I can say that both Puta and tubby are newbs. tubby more then puta. Both are very anti town players it seems. I have no idea why but every game I've been with them in they have a tendency to have foot in mouth no matter their alignment.

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Mod: Please note sig. More likely limited access then Vacation. It depends on a few things.

On a side note I will have something for this game before I go on my limited access.

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Pages 3 through 7
Nat: post 50 self vote is typical
Der Hammer Post 53 questions self vote
BM pst 55: just because you do it doesn't make it protown.
Der Hammer: Post 61 Why?
Yos2 post 78 Wins. I see this as the point I tried making earlier and wasn't listened to while referencing games.
Don't like Sir T's votes or reasons.
OGML: post 129 Agree.
BM Post 130 doesn't change the point in my eyes.
BM: Post 143 that could be because you are posting enough for everyone lurking to skate by. Just saying stop posting 4 post in a row damn it!
Sens Post 150, 151 and 152. Why the need to vote and unvote till you finished your read through?

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Okay here is where I'm at. Pages 8-11 and I'm beat. I will try and finish today. Tomorrow more likely.


puta puta post 177: a poem on page 8 and nothing more before. Aren't we done with the joke/ random phase?
CKD: before your vote on sens you stated you were reading the game. What happened there?
CKD: post 186 I do that when I'm behind just because it was something I noted at the time.
CKD: post 196 the fact I have seen scum self vote doesn't mean they don't do scummy things. Just saying.
Sens: Post 198 why at this point have you not finished your read through? Why the arguments and not just go back and read where you last left off?
BM: post 205 stop spamming!!!
sens: post 210 and?
sobeahero post 215 Can you show where Shanba is doing what you claim compared to others vague comments or lack of anything stated?
puta put: post 219 Why?
Der Hammer: post 221 with everything going on why Hoopla?
Yos: Post 225 The problem I have with this post is that Yos mentions his like for OGML vote on Sir T and see where it goes. When pressured more about his lack of vote he lurker hunts.
tubby: post 231 not helpful comment one bit.
puta: post 240 seriously we are passed the joke phase.
OMGL: post 249 what happened with your comments on the lurker hunt?
militant post 250 wins!
OGML post 253 sounds like someone moved his vote to the biggest BW just because he was being ignored is not valid. Nope militant is calling you a hypocrite
BM: Where is Sir T on that lurker list. I dont' here much of nothing from him.

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Yos: Post 225 The problem I have with this post is that Yos mentions his like for OGML vote on Sir T and see where it goes. When pressured more about his lack of vote he lurker hunts.

As I later mentioned, I had actually started to make the list of lurkers on Friday, before OGML's post. The lurker list was the correct move, the move that needed to be done for the good of the town at the time and the move that was most likely to find scum at the time; it had nothing to do with OGML's post.

So far most of what I read has been good. This was just one issue I had with everything you have said thus far in the game. Also just because someone said well I was going to do this doesn't mean anything till the post is on the board in my book.

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BM: post 282 misses the point and acts childish to boot. Joy.
Nat: post 285 was BM's comment really scummy enough for a vote?
yos2: BM aggressive = good. Spamming unneccessarly bad. Reading over 150 pages on jordans game was rediculous. It helped scum more then town when replacements were needed.
Der Hammer: post 287 I want an explaination now.
volk: post 298 does a review but doesnt' vote and wants an explaination from sober. Eh. I vote but that's just me. Not voting doesn't not pressure a person.
der hammer post 311 I look forward to actual text.
puta post 319 way to be the pot calling out the kettle.
puta: post 324 I would like to see replaced or lynched for anti town behavior. Replaced perfered.


Done. Thank god for that.
BM: first I appologize the first 4 pages are tough when you see someone spamming up a storm. You are doing better with your post now.
Der hammers is voting and saying nothing and no one is noting this are you nuts.
puta is anti town. Would like to see him replaced.
k-7 not saying anything is normal hate this type of meta
zzy: needs to be replaced or something. I hate the I am here and will post soon. Bunch of one liners
Don't like SirT disappearing into nothing. Not like him at all.
OGML backtracking bothers me alot. I don't like the no to lurkers then this vote has legs comment at all.
I don't support lurker lynches unless like puta the person is being anti town and won't be replaced then it hurts the town no matter the alignment.

unvote:
vote: OGML

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@farside

anything on my post 355?? i am rather proud of it your thoughts?

It was a good analysis. I would have liked to see you back up your thoughts with a vote on the scummiest person you had on your list.

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FoS: Xyzzy

Why did you vote Puta Puta when you clearly ought to have voted me?

BM

Counting zzy's umm post of scum at numbers. Don't get it, but you and puta had the same about of hits. I counted 9 each. Puta if your scum then stay, if you are town replace. Your behavoir and actions are unhelpful.

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I'm a cop. I don't remember (if any) who I investigated O_O

either I didn't sent in a name for investigation or I did but something happened, cuz I never got a report, lol

This game did not start in N0. Try again. Wait no please just tell me your lying. I would like that more.
No counter claim please.

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Ecto/farside I confused this game with Family Guy. haha

That is not funny at all.

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OGML: Why did you vote for tubby then go back and read and make a case against Sir T? Did you notice the wagon on tubby was mostly for his lurking and lack of context is that vote worthy in your opinion?

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I voted tubby for the softclaim, which I find to be very scummy. After catching up and putting together my thoughts on Sir T I found the weight of evidence against him to be heavier. Tubby's lurking and "lack of context" (by which I assume you mean lack of meaningful contribution) is, yes, also vote worthy.

Then why did you say you were against a lurker lynch then a few post later vote for tubby for lurkering?

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I voted tubby for the softclaim, which I find to be very scummy. After catching up and putting together my thoughts on Sir T I found the weight of evidence against him to be heavier. Tubby's lurking and "lack of context" (by which I assume you mean lack of meaningful contribution) is, yes, also vote worthy.

Then why did you say you were against a lurker lynch then a few post later vote for tubby for lurkering?

I changed my mind.

Why are you so concerned with my opinion on tubby, but have nothing to say about what I wrote on the topic of Sir T except to comment that it came at the expense of a vote for tubby?

Because I find your back and forth scummy and the fact you went from tubby to Sir T just struck me was weird. I know people see that people mention something they find scummy from a player and that player changes tactic's so I question you for changing tactics.

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Updating a few games and doctor appointment today. I will catch up later this afternoon.
Thanks

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Prod received. Will catch up on Monday.

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I'm back, catching up.

Caught up yet?

Can I ask why you are focused on killa seven when others are lurking just as badly?

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I'm back, catching up.

Caught up yet?

Can I ask why you are focused on killa seven when others are lurking just as badly?

Who?

I noted ZZ and Sens are both in the lurks lack of info area. However Sens I do have notice is having RL issues. Also many including myself have been prodded.

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I'm back, catching up.

Caught up yet?

Can I ask why you are focused on killa seven when others are lurking just as badly?

Who?

I noted ZZ and Sens are both in the lurks lack of info area. However Sens I do have notice is having RL issues. Also many including myself have been prodded.

After we get k7 to contribute we can bandwagon xyzzy next. Though from what I know of xyzzy, he isn't as bad a habitual lurker as k7.

Don't you think the person who doesn't lurk as norm is more suspicious or is this like what you said somewhere else about getting the lurker types to change there ways or vote them off?

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Now with killer 7 being replaced who will you be voting for now Xylthixlm

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Prod received. Sorry I got flaky with this game. I should have something by tomorrow that is substance.