Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

[Fredrick A Campbell]

If any more last minute opinions on anything is asked for and I happen to be online, I won't mind giving it, or the information I lack such an opinion.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Shame how this day ended. I believe Fred's claim and that he will flip town.

CW's townblock from 543 was pretty good, and I feel like we should have stuck to that.

[Confidently Wrong]

Kill Fred->Irrelephant->Eira on a loft town flip

irrelephant->eira->lowell on this flipping town

[KittyTacky]

There is less than half an hour left before the deadline! I feel like posting a VC at this point would take too long.

[KittyTacky]

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Death

When you reach zero hit points, you die. Death is also possible when you have nonzero hit points, by several methods of instadeath or delayed instadeath. You lose all the progress you made in that game, and you may have your possessions identified, see your attributes at the time of death (as well as a single post-mortem attribute), see a list of vanquished creatures, see a list of monsters genocided, and see which official conducts you have adhered to.

Dying may also create a bones file.

A particularly spectacular character death, especially of a character that is was well on the way to ascension, is often called a splat. Watching splats (live or on Splat TV) is a part of the fun of social NetHack.

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Flip 1.5

Fredrick A Campbell

(7): BlueBloodedToffee, Eiralox, Lowell, Confidently Wrong, Irrelephant11, FancyPants, Shoshin

[HAMMER!]

Lowell

(2): Cat Scratch Fever, Loftwing

Loftwing

(1): Fredrick A Campbell

Eiralox

(1): kennyk

BlueBloodedToffee

(1): Malakittens

Not Voting

(1): MalcolmTucker

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Fredrick A Campbell

has been eliminated!

Fredrick A Campbell's role was

Town 1-Shot Bulletproof

!

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Night 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-06 11:17:00).

[KittyTacky]

Looking for a replacement for Shoshin. The deadline is paused until a replacement is found, and will be paused for 24 hours after that (to give them time to catch up).

[KittyTacky]

humaneatingmonkey replaces Shoshin. 24 hours have been added to the deadline.

Night 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-07 17:38:00).

[KittyTacky]

Gamma Emerald replaces humaneatingmonkey. 18 hours have been added to the deadline to give the replacement time to catch up. I'm so sorry for the delays.

implosion is now my backup mod.

Night 1 ends in (expired on 2022-07-08 11:23:00).

[KittyTacky]

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NetHack

NetHack is a major roguelike in which the player must fight their way down through the Dungeons of Doom, and then the underworld (Gehennom), retrieve the Amulet of Yendor, fight their way back up to surface, and give the Amulet to their god. It is the most popular of all Hacklike games, and quite possibly the most popular of all roguelike games.

NetHack underwent active development for nearly 15 years. However, it went on a long hiatus after the release of v3.4.3 in December 2003 which proved to be remarkably stable and was enjoyed by the community for almost a decade. NetHack was not much updated during this time leading some independent developers to create forks to continue where the DevTeam left off. Many of these forks are still active.

But in December 2015, the DevTeam released a new version 3.6.0. Although the release itself added little content (besides minor tweaks and incorporating community patches), it indicated the beginning of active development after more than a decade. They also migrated their internal source repository to Git with plans of providing a "current maintenance version" in the future. There are also new plans to migrate their defect-tracking to Bugzilla

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Not Voting

(10): kennyk, BlueBloodedToffee, Lowell, Confidently Wrong, MalcolmTucker, Gamma Emerald, Malakittens, FancyPants, Irrelephant11, Eiralox

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Loftwing

has been killed at night!

Loftwing

's role was

Mafia Informed 1-Shot Neighborizer

!

Cat Scratch Fever

has been killed at night!

Cat Scratch Fever

's role was

Town Backup Compulsive Vigilante

!

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-07-15 12:04:00).[/color][/area]

[BlueBloodedToffee]

CW, why were you reading Loftwing as town?

[kennyk]

Just a short assessment of the setup:
With a vig and a (now deceased) backup vig we have a good chance of killing scum at night but as it is compulsive there is also the chance of two townies being killed at night. This could make it a short game (either way).

Loft didn't lie about being a neighborizer and having another perk. If I see things right, him being shot was resolved before him being able to neighborize anyone. Is that right? Otherwise we could at least get some info from his choice of target. The one thing that worries me is the "informed" part. The big question is which information he got. I might look into Loft`s ISO again to see where things might have been based on extra information (though it might be difficult to determine which might be "normal" mafia info and which the extra info).

I guess there is more to come after I had time to look at things and think about them a bit.

[MalcolmTucker]

Wow, so Loftwing was scum all along. Instincts were right. That should give us a lot of helpful info, those who properly defended Loftwing will need to be looked at.

[MalcolmTucker]

loftwing/kenny/lowell feels way too easy, but I would also be shocked if it had 0 mafia in it

VOTE: loftwing

all that said, I think loftwing looks great as a scum partner for kenny so I don't mind following fancypants there

I think there's 1, maybe even 2 though that's less likely, in kenny/loftwing/malcolm. So I don't think you've got the whole team

I'm re-reading the interaction between lowell and malcolm and like really don't know what you're referring to as a scumclaim

575 has good points. But on the other hand sometimes scum get defensive and flustered when pressured. Loftwing’s vote is the worst on the wagon so far, for sure, if Eira is town.


@malakittens @shoshin, thoughts on Eiralox ISO?

VOTE: loftwing

CW could be scum trying to power a miselim through. I think loftwing is a pretty good flip

We should consider making a flip happen sooner rather than later because this weekend is a holiday weekend for everyone in the US and we have about 2.5 days left in this game day, during which the American players might barely post (e.g. me, I'll be hanging with family)

I have no time to read the game but will hammer anything. Loftwing is my preference but I’ll help almost any wagon go through.

Idk I’m just checking in and skimming for votes. It’s a holiday weekend. I think loftwing is probscum regardless of PR claim but I haven’t read like 5 pages or so. Just waiting to be told to switch or for people to finish off loftwing

I'd been very wary of Irrelephant D1 but there's strong and constant suspicion of Loftwing here. Pretty much confirmed town now I'd say.

[MalcolmTucker]

Wait i was trolling, loftwing is town

Loftwing is town, unvote them and vote scumclaimed lowell

VOTE: Loftwing

Subject to change but time to cast a vote somewhere. Not confident their opportunistic jumping around from wagon to wagon is townie. The vote on Mala felt particularly opportunistic as I said earlier on.

I think fundamentally the reasons you are presenting for reading people is flawed and not consistent(results wise) in any way.

So I envision it shall be difficult to convince you similarly to the last time we played together.


Jumping around wagon to wagon is not a scum behavior.

post 156 in spoiler below

Spoiler:

Here's something we could all do. Give any three reads on any three players you are willing to make public. The consequences of not doing so will be determined by everyone that participates.

I'll start

Cat Scratch Fever - Town (145)
FancyPants - Town (25)
Eiralox - Town (Not answering questions)

I don't particularly have any reads.

Seen everyone's post? Select a few posts that are most alignment indicative for you now and get yourself a few.

I have read the entire game, and nothing is particularly notable.

I do think that CSF and BBT show a genuine interest in pushing the game forward, rather than a fabricated reason to go after their respective targets.

this for example is genuine, organic, vs proclaiming "I HAVE 12 PEOPLE NULL" and then force out reads to appear towny.

I have Eira basically locked in as mafia and there is nothing that can happen that will cause me to stray from this course. The evidence is there. It is reasonable and it should prove that Eira is mafia. I'm going to be passive about the Mala and Lowell wagons as I like info but I'm actively against the current loftwing wagon.

Good morning i slept all day

The people tunneling on loftwing need to stop when scum eira is right there.

I also am untownlocking irrelephant until they can explain where their mind went from Eira to Loftwing - I did not feel good about the last few pages and how they treated certain slots suddenly.

Hi , loftwing is obvtown, lets vote out either lowell or eira please

Im not frankly surprises that loftwing ended up being PR
I also believe Fredrick is a PR so they're off the fucking table

They'll fight tooth and nail against this for the entire day but I think we'd have a very good chance of CW flipping scum. It's quite possible that as a team they both planned it out for Loftwing to claim a role when they were under pressure and didn't expect Loftwing to then be eliminated from the game overnight.

CW's shift on Fredrick also feels more opportunistic now in retrospect, they clearly identified that Fredrick had a role but were willing to get on the wagon as it became a viable alternative to Loftwing.

[MalcolmTucker]

I'm so far behind in this game, only read properly up to page 11.

Loftwing wagon seems bad though, likely scum on that push. Gonna try my best to catch up today

Is there anyone openly opposing the Loftwing wagon except for myself? Lack of counter wagon should also be a concern if true.

The justification for voting Loft from him was kind of a lurker thing which he has shown interest in chasing.

Loftwing has more posts than Lowell, Malcolm, Cat, Kenny and Shoshin. I'm not sure a 'lurker' push is sufficient reason I'm afraid.

BBT was pretty defensive of Loftwing and could have been a teammate, especially given they very much engineered the push of Fredrick as an elimination. But, saying that, I do feel like their read on Fredrick felt quite organic and they may not have had any idea the push on Fredrick would actually result in an elimination. Less likely to be scum than CW but worth keeping an eye on.

[MalcolmTucker]

So post 899 is the final vote count before Loftwing then claimed. I'd say everyone here looks like a pretty solid townblock now.

[MalcolmTucker]

Everyone voting on Loftwing that is.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll explain my Loftwing read after CW explains why they were reading them as town

[FancyPants]

@Malakittens and Lowell, who are your strongest bets for scum day 2?

CW and BBT somewhat tainted by Loftwing association but townies can just be wrong. CW read Loft as town based on meta, this contradicted my own meta reading of him, which makes CW slightly worse in my eyes. BBT seems like he's on this anyway.

@Gamma Emerald, welcome to the game, I'd be interested in what you have to say when you're caught up.

[MalcolmTucker]

My concern with CW is amplified by the fact they voted Fredrick when they had been claiming (correctly!) Fredrick had a role shortly beforehand. Feels incredibly opportunistic.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fancy, was CWs read on Loft purely meta?

[MalcolmTucker]

I feel like "meta" could be a perfectly good scum tactic to justify a TR on someone without having to go into any depth about why they are actually town based on their play.

[FancyPants]

Fancy, was CWs read on Loft purely meta?

I haven't reread the thread but that's what I can remember. Hold on.

[FancyPants]

OK found the relevant interactions.

I start pushing the loftwing slot, I dislike his vote and then jump off of Kenny, when I ask CW why he TR's Loft he says:

305
(vibes and meta are his reason for townreading loft).

Later I make a big case on loft based on my meta read and the original kenny vote/unvote
394

CW reaffirms Loft is Town:
402

I do ask for a clarification here:
406

I don't believe he clarifies further and at this point starts a long back and forth between Eira.


For what it's worth I'm going to find it hard to come to terms with CW-scum but I do see the case, it's just a bit too

obvious

. Does town CW defend his scum buddy like this? IDK,

[MalcolmTucker]

OK found the relevant interactions.

I start pushing the loftwing slot, I dislike his vote and then jump off of Kenny, when I ask CW why he TR's Loft he says:

305
(vibes and meta are his reason for townreading loft).

Later I make a big case on loft based on my meta read and the original kenny vote/unvote
394

CW reaffirms Loft is Town:
402

I do ask for a clarification here:
406

I don't believe he clarifies further and at this point starts a long back and forth between Eira.


For what it's worth I'm going to find it hard to come to terms with CW-scum but I do see the case, it's just a bit too

obvious

.

Does town CW defend his scum buddy like this?

IDK,

I think it's perfectly possible presuming CW was banking on Loftwing not being eliminated.