Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

[Confidently Wrong]

Wild that i posted a bunch of things calling lowell scum and it was completely invisible to him
Did he see people considering gamma and decided that mislim needs to happen now
Lets hear some reasoning lowell

[Lowell]

So the two leading wagons were both scum, and one (me) jumped off without explanation to bus the other (loft)? Is that your theory?

Contriving reasons to vote Lowell when you're in a panic is a classic scum move bro

[Confidently Wrong]

I welcome you to call logic thats perfectly reasonable "contrived " as it only strengthens my confidence my theory is correct
Explain your reads (: tick tock

[MalcolmTucker]

Funnily enough CW not pushing BBT at all does slightly soften my scumread a bit from very confident to relatively confident - I do feel like that'd be a useful slot for CW to be pushing given they TR'd Loftwing quite strong. Although, of course, there's not necessarily anything ruling out the two of them being scum together, much as I don't see it.

I think its fair to see bbt and I as partnered but from my point of view, and bbts thats obviously... not possible so keep in mind that as town id be seeing things in a different POV adnd have a different view than most, notably being forced to consider slots others think are clear for (what i believe ) are weak distancing reasons.

From where i sit, if the team is lowell loftwing eira - they were in deep shit all day and the fredrick wagon was a godsend.

I don't see this at all, Lowell/Eira both went in on Loftwing at various points in the game. One scum going after Loftwing due to pressure against them, two strikes me as incredibly unviable and I worry you're already desperately trying to shift the game away from suspecting players who defended scum instead of those who correctly called out said player as scum.

[Irrelephant11]

i miss shoshin and csf

[Irrelephant11]

hi gamma

[Lowell]

I welcome you to call logic thats perfectly reasonable "contrived " as it only strengthens my confidence my theory is correct
Explain your reads (: tick tock

Oh no a clock is ticking? Gasp and panic!

[Confidently Wrong]

Also speaking of that i can more accurately show what i saw frlm loftwing that caused me to see them town - although eira/lowell my biggest scumreads that day pres voting there made me towntunneled on the slot

[MalcolmTucker]

Nevermind I've figured it out.

vote gamma

Welcome

My initial D2 thoughts based on what I can remember:

Towns: Irrel, Fancy, Kenny
Nulls: BBT, Malcolm, Eira
Scums: Gamma, Mala, CW

Lowell's suspicion of Gamma is townie in my opinion. I doubt Gamma is going to get eliminated today, the slot is not widely scumread at all, and personally I reckon if Lowell were scum they'd be better going after someone who defended Loftwing. I don't see this approach from scum at all at the moment.

[Confidently Wrong]

Malcom youre doing the 1 dimensional analysis thing again

[Lowell]

1 dimensional being any analysis that doesn't lead to scumCW wagoning his easiest target

[Confidently Wrong]

Jesus christ malcom did you even read a single post from any other player before the vote

[MalcolmTucker]

Like wagons d1 were lowell/loftwing

When lowell was getting wagoned, lowell unexplained jumped on loft. Viable bus, and what i believe was what happened at this point(pending deeper reread, mobile gaming har

Same thing happened with eira

What i need lowell to do is explain their progression and how they reached a vote on loftwing.

At this point they both had two votes each before Lowell went onto Loftwing. Neither of them were particularly under absolute threat of imminent elimination at this point. Scum did not need to vote for scum here, which adds to my case that Lowell is likely town.

[MalcolmTucker]

Malcom youre doing the 1 dimensional analysis thing again

Jesus christ malcom did you even read a single post from any other player before the vote

I'm not doing one-dimensional analysis at all, this just feels like a deliberate attempt to make me doubt my reads and feel silly about them. Your entire appeal feels a bit like this at the moment - you have skills as a scum-hunter so we need to keep you alive, I get that, but it also means if you are scum you're a dangerous player and from that POV I'm wary of you continuing on. I fundamentally really don't trust that your main scumcase around Lowell/Eira here basically involves trying to deflect blame onto players who either suspected or voted in favour of eliminating confirmed scum.

I'll listen to what you have to say. I'm open to being swayed, I just do not see a case for scum Lowell at the moment and it feels incredibly disingenuous to me.

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: kenny

[Irrelephant11]

every flip has shown me my gut is right, so im following my gut. Can make a case later, have a work meeting now

[MalcolmTucker]

CW could be scum trying to power a miselim through. I think loftwing is a pretty good flip

We should consider making a flip happen sooner rather than later because this weekend is a holiday weekend for everyone in the US and we have about 2.5 days left in this game day, during which the American players might barely post (e.g. me, I'll be hanging with family)

I agree with this, especially as one of the folks who will be more out than in this weekend.

And the way the loftwing wagon just seems to be floating there with no one wanting to hammer makes me feel good about it.

The last vote is always the hardest--come on folks, someone be a hero.

This is solid town analysis, for example, I reckon. Lowell wasn't just reluctantly voting Loftwing but actively wanted to push the wagon through. There's not even a slight attempt to float an alternative, despite the fact we literally ended up voting out someone else entirely.

[Irrelephant11]

love n1 vigs

[Irrelephant11]

not voting fancy/lowell/malcolm/gamma I think

[Irrelephant11]

cw is actually toward the bottom of my poe now but the idea of arguing with cw enough to push the lim through sounds exhausting so we can pretend they're town until I've ruled out everyone else

[Irrelephant11]

kenny/cw/mala u pick 2

[Confidently Wrong]

Lowell simultaneously pushing me and shoshin when shoshin is extremely unpaired with me is wild

[Irrelephant11]

lowell isn't scum

[Irrelephant11]

vig is mvp if we win

[Irrelephant11]

cw vote kenny with me