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[RCEnigma]

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Vote Count 1.27

5 Frogsterking (ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm)

3 Malakittens (Rad, Klick, Bellaphant)
3 Taly (Malakittens, Bell, Cephrir)
3 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee, Roden, JohnnyFarrar)

2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, RCEnigma)
2 Enchant (Frogsterking, T-Bone)

1 Cephrir (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 Klick (Mathblade)
1 Dancing Puppets (Best Bird)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)

Not Voting (MalcolmTucker, Cytosine and Guanine, Dunnstral, Dancing Puppets)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
I think Best Bird is V/LA too
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

Unless you believe ALL of Mala/Frog/Taly/Dunn are town please vote them

We need the day to end

It’s impossible to keep up with anything at the rate of posting

I gotta go

Is this you?

It is.

My point was to generate content where people talk

This hasn’t happened.

It has. You can choose to read through it or not. But that’s a you thing. We don’t need another 100 pages for that.

But we do need some

There is pages not content

All of the reads here barring the one Bell said he doesn’t believe are “I townread Ceph more than Taly” it’s copy pasta

This game feels like it never left RVS

Iso them then. I’m fairly sure the slots townreading ceph have at some point talked about their townread of ceph. Regurgitating the same information isn’t going to help town.

[Dancing Puppets]

Timeline.

Frogster has 7 votes out of 14. ProfessorDrapion, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mathblade, Lukewarm, JohnnyFarrar, Enchant

Frogster claims Role cop. (5850)

Luke, Pooky, and Drap

all say they still want to kill him anyways.

T-Bone

suggest we don't kill Frog (role is plausible as town) 5849

Enchant

unvotes, and says we should not kill a town PR 5877 (6 votes on Frog)

Nancy

is around, but does not comment on frogster. Is still pushing for ceph

CSF

defends Frogster (5887)

Ceph says we should not clear him for his claim.

Bell

starts hard defending Frogster from Elim. (6019)

Rad

shows up, and directly tells me to stop voting Frog (6119)

Math

shows up, and says that he does not really want to elim an investigative claim (6132). and then unvotes

[Down to 5 votes on Frog]

Ceph starts asking about doing his gladiate (6186)

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two (math and enchant) of the seven people voting frog unvoted, and three other people were actively trying to dismantle the wagon (CSF, Rad, and Bell)

There is no way that scum!Ceph feels the need to save scum!Frog here.

Anyone arguring that scum!ceph did this to save scum!frog needs a new reason why scum!ceph did this here.

Remote, but not ruling it out. Scum!Cephrir could also be afraid of post Frogster wagons. This situation makes slots valuable for VCA.

~Titus

[MathBlade]

But you can’t even do it in a few simple sentences

I literally am falling asleep betweeen posts

ISOs of a game this size is not feasible for this many players

You should be able to do a simple paragraph why Taly over Ceph?

This feels like redirection

[Dancing Puppets]

Timeline.

Frogster has 7 votes out of 14. ProfessorDrapion, Taly, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mathblade, Lukewarm, JohnnyFarrar, Enchant

Frogster claims Role cop. (5850)

Luke, Pooky, and Drap

all say they still want to kill him anyways.

T-Bone

suggest we don't kill Frog (role is plausible as town) 5849

Enchant

unvotes, and says we should not kill a town PR 5877 (6 votes on Frog)

Nancy

is around, but does not comment on frogster. Is still pushing for ceph

CSF

defends Frogster (5887)

Ceph says we should not clear him for his claim.

Bell

starts hard defending Frogster from Elim. (6019)

Rad

shows up, and directly tells me to stop voting Frog (6119)

Math

shows up, and says that he does not really want to elim an investigative claim (6132). and then unvotes

[Down to 5 votes on Frog]

Ceph starts asking about doing his gladiate (6186)

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two (math and enchant) of the seven people voting frog unvoted, and three other people were actively trying to dismantle the wagon (CSF, Rad, and Bell)

There is no way that scum!Ceph feels the need to save scum!Frog here.

Anyone arguring that scum!ceph did this to save scum!frog needs a new reason why scum!ceph did this here.

And none of this makes Taly!scum only Ceph!town.

[RCEnigma]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

[MathBlade]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Not really.

This entire argument can be replaced with Ceph instead and pick a different lock town player

[Save The Dragons]

Replacing Klick

[Cephrir]

Was the timing of cephrir's gladiator coincided with saving frogs from being eliminated? Cause if so they could be partners

It effectively saved Frogster, Mala, Dunn, Johnny (I think those four had the most votes)

I think frog/Johnny would be the only likely cases.

yep I bussed Johnny for 200 pages and then. decided to not finish the job

[Dancing Puppets]

I’m liking Math’s posting, I think Pooky’s wrong. I don’t see why scum!Math would state the overwhelming obvious - that there’s a dogpile on Taly.

We need to meld. I

don't

like Math's posting and it's easy for scum to state the obvious to pocket town. Assuming Taly is town, then scum!Math has zero to lose drfending them. Either a) Math is successful and Taly is grateful (probably) or b) Math fails and is viewed as correct. That's assuming Taly is town.

Those rationales apply regardless of alignment. What really bothers me is Math saying the game is like RVS and not voting anyone. Doubly so because Math is a proponent of VCA to solve and going no lim is from his PoV picking for the game to languish with no hydra partnet that might benefit from no lim.


I find it odd we perpetually disagree on Math.

~Titus

[Off The Hook]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Again I'm not certain Ceph is town but my vote is on no yeet. Why is Taly uncertain to you?

~GE

[RCEnigma]

But you can’t even do it in a few simple sentences

I literally am falling asleep betweeen posts

ISOs of a game this size is not feasible for this many players

You should be able to do a simple paragraph why Taly over Ceph?

This feels like redirection

I literally did. This is why I feel like you are spewing disingenuous bs. I do regret giving your slot a day but it is spilled milk at this point.

[Bellaphant]

Rce is town, who is rce voting?!

[Cephrir]

I still don't feel like I've received sufficient reply from Ceph's POV on this gladiate nor do people refute my reasoning of scum motive.

i answered

take it or leave it

[RCEnigma]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Not really.

This entire argument can be replaced with Ceph instead and pick a different lock town player

Ok, then replace every Taly with Ceph.

[MathBlade]

I’m liking Math’s posting, I think Pooky’s wrong. I don’t see why scum!Math would state the overwhelming obvious - that there’s a dogpile on Taly.

We need to meld. I

don't

like Math's posting and it's easy for scum to state the obvious to pocket town. Assuming Taly is town, then scum!Math has zero to lose drfending them. Either a) Math is successful and Taly is grateful (probably) or b) Math fails and is viewed as correct. That's assuming Taly is town.

Those rationales apply regardless of alignment. What really bothers me is Math saying the game is like RVS and not voting anyone. Doubly so because Math is a proponent of VCA to solve and going no lim is from his PoV picking for the game to languish with no hydra partnet that might benefit from no lim.


I find it odd we perpetually disagree on Math.

~Titus

Does it matter?

My hood partner said I have an open vig on me.

It’s more important town has the information then I die and C&G can give my last reads

[MathBlade]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Not really.

This entire argument can be replaced with Ceph instead and pick a different lock town player

Ok, then replace every Taly with Ceph.

I did as I read? It makes your paragraph meaningless

There’s nothing here.

Ceph is more town because post ABCD
Taly is scummy for post EFGH

Those are reasons unique to them

You’re arguing an information elim not that Taly is actually scummier than Ceph

In other words you didn’t answer the question asked

[RCEnigma]

If you DO NOT think ceph is scum, vote Taly.
If you DO NOT think Taly is scum, vote Ceph.

What if you think neither scum? Yeah I would 100% vote Ceph > Taly but the more sensible option is to no lim.

I’ve already said I don’t think either are scum. You don’t want to vote Taly because you townread them and I’m on the other end. But I’m averse to a no elim just to save 1 person in my maybe town pool.

WHY are you averse to abstaining in order to save a maybe-town? Cephrir is a maybe-town for me but I'm still voting to abstain because I think either elimination is bad. Voting Taly is giving the bad players what they want, and voting Cephrir is just punishing him for being weak-willed.

~GE

Because you are valuing the life of potential town over information for the town. Taly flipping town says to me, DP pretty much conf-town. I can focus on the slots that tipped the scales between Taly being glaciated or Johnny being gladiated. And if some info came out about Johnny then it slims that pool down no? Plus whatever other info comes out from invests etc.

Then I can look at who was pushing Taly before all the gladiate stuff and why, etc etc.

But if we no lim I’m still no closer to knowing if Taly is town or not, I don’t know if the slots that pushed the gladiate target over are town or not because I don’t know if Taly is or not. And so on.

Does that make sense?

Again I'm not certain Ceph is town but my vote is on no yeet. Why is Taly uncertain to you?

~GE

Their recent posting is good but it’s under duress. If their earlier posting left an impact on me I would probably be voting ceph here? But I can’t be sure on that. Just from the games that I’ve played with Taly I’ve never had an unsure feeling toward them, it was always a very definitive read one way or the other but I haven’t played with scum!Taly so my hesitance to put a hard read down is what is leaving that possibility in my head.

[Dancing Puppets]

I’m liking Math’s posting, I think Pooky’s wrong. I don’t see why scum!Math would state the overwhelming obvious - that there’s a dogpile on Taly.

We need to meld. I

don't

like Math's posting and it's easy for scum to state the obvious to pocket town. Assuming Taly is town, then scum!Math has zero to lose drfending them. Either a) Math is successful and Taly is grateful (probably) or b) Math fails and is viewed as correct. That's assuming Taly is town.

Those rationales apply regardless of alignment. What really bothers me is Math saying the game is like RVS and not voting anyone. Doubly so because Math is a proponent of VCA to solve and going no lim is from his PoV picking for the game to languish with no hydra partnet that might benefit from no lim.


I find it odd we perpetually disagree on Math.

~Titus

Does it matter?

My hood partner said I have an open vig on me.

It’s more important town has the information then I die and C&G can give my last reads

Wait, your hood partner is saying they'll shoot you? If you have an open vig, wouldn't you want a flip to make your reads as accurate as possible?

~Titus

[T-Bone]

But you can’t even do it in a few simple sentences

I literally am falling asleep betweeen posts

ISOs of a game this size is not feasible for this many players

You should be able to do a simple paragraph why Taly over Ceph?

This feels like redirection

Was the timing of cephrir's gladiator coincided with saving frogs from being eliminated? Cause if so they could be partners

It effectively saved Frogster, Mala, Dunn, Johnny (I think those four had the most votes)

I think frog/Johnny would be the only likely cases.

yep I bussed Johnny for 200 pages and then. decided to not finish the job

I bet you no one would be complaining if you did. The ultimate irony.

[RCEnigma]

Elaborate on Ceph townread oof

I mellowed out on thinking ceph was scum for his early wagon reaction. And they have been pursuing slots that I feel are scum (particularly math and Johnny) which is why I think his gladiate was dumb but he went on the whims of slots he trusted at the time so whatever. I don’t think he’s scum for it I just think it was a bad play with decent intentions.

Read all of that as Ceph is thinking about the game along similar lines that I am. With the exception of “Taly has to die or I have to die”

@ math

Also my argument for voting Taly is not that I think Taly is scummier. But no limming is dumb to me.

[MathBlade]

I’m liking Math’s posting, I think Pooky’s wrong. I don’t see why scum!Math would state the overwhelming obvious - that there’s a dogpile on Taly.

We need to meld. I

don't

like Math's posting and it's easy for scum to state the obvious to pocket town. Assuming Taly is town, then scum!Math has zero to lose drfending them. Either a) Math is successful and Taly is grateful (probably) or b) Math fails and is viewed as correct. That's assuming Taly is town.

Those rationales apply regardless of alignment. What really bothers me is Math saying the game is like RVS and not voting anyone. Doubly so because Math is a proponent of VCA to solve and going no lim is from his PoV picking for the game to languish with no hydra partnet that might benefit from no lim.


I find it odd we perpetually disagree on Math.

~Titus

Does it matter?

My hood partner said I have an open vig on me.

It’s more important town has the information then I die and C&G can give my last reads

Wait, your hood partner is saying they'll shoot you? If you have an open vig, wouldn't you want a flip to make your reads as accurate as possible?

~Titus

No they said someone threatened to shoot me.

I want as much information from everyone having to actually defend their read.

Why is Taly town?

[RCEnigma]

HURT: Math

[T-Bone]

But you can’t even do it in a few simple sentences

I literally am falling asleep betweeen posts

ISOs of a game this size is not feasible for this many players

You should be able to do a simple paragraph why Taly over Ceph?

This feels like redirection

Was the timing of cephrir's gladiator coincided with saving frogs from being eliminated? Cause if so they could be partners

It effectively saved Frogster, Mala, Dunn, Johnny (I think those four had the most votes)

I think frog/Johnny would be the only likely cases.

yep I bussed Johnny for 200 pages and then. decided to not finish the job

Sorry misquoted Math too.

[MathBlade]

Elaborate on Ceph townread oof

I mellowed out on thinking ceph was scum for his early wagon reaction. And they have been pursuing slots that I feel are scum (particularly math and Johnny) which is why I think his gladiate was dumb but he went on the whims of slots he trusted at the time so whatever. I don’t think he’s scum for it I just think it was a bad play with decent intentions.

Read all of that as Ceph is thinking about the game along similar lines that I am. With the exception of “Taly has to die or I have to die”

@ math

Also my argument for voting Taly is not that I think Taly is scummier. But no limming is dumb to me.

No liming is dumb to you.

This means pick between Ceph and Taly

You pick Taly because she’s scummier unless you are scum

Please try again

[T-Bone]

Why the fuck did that happen again??? Burn this website down I am literally using the quick reply box!