Mini Normal 2275: Roguelikes - Day 3: Endgame!

[Lowell]

Too tough= to though. Trying to do this idiocy on my phone.

[Confidently Wrong]

i already figured out the vig from context clues starting d1 and having the vig confirmed via the night 1 kill sooooooooooooooooooooo

[Confidently Wrong]

(i am very good at PR hunting as any alignment lol)

[KittyTacky]

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Confidently Wrong

(3): Eiralox, MalcolmTucker, BlueBloodedToffee

[E-2]

BlueBloodedToffee

(2): Irrelephant11, Confidently Wrong

Dunnstral

(1): Lowell

Not Voting

(2): Enchant, Dunnstral

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-07-20 21:02:00).

[Confidently Wrong]

Now that im not seeimg red as much, lowell being unaware of the v obvious vig could be towny here

[Eiralox]

The fact that Backup is compulsive doesh't mean original Vig is compulsive.

yeah when u first asked why we think there's vig and a little before that i also figured there might be other tk role and not compulsive vig? as a poss? the counter this why would mafia kill MalaKittens at all, while they where being sussed for low effort?

The mechanical case for Dunn/Kenny is that slot claimed vt. Scum going to have a nightmare time unless we eliminate some prs for them. Fancy/enchant slot is a problem, plus a vig, plus whatever prevented a kill last night. With me now being less certain on CW (and also lowkey starting to wonder about irrel), I’m good taking what to me is still the likeliest and also certainly the safest elim.

Like I agree with the logic here, rn i'm still mainly on cw/dunn/toffee flips as where the scum'll be. By your reasoning I'd say CW is also a good mechanical flip, they earlier claimed investigitave then retracted it so i don't think we're gonna hit something major with CW even if mis-elim.

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I've gone through last pages quickly last night and the one thing i noted(before Lowell now) was how everyone has focused attention off Dunn. I mean yeah Dunn's entrance can be town but still keep that slot in consideration honestly. I'll talk about what CW said later maybe? Anyway, if CW is scum, kudos, they're convincing some of ya'll to step off them.


We'll see how this all plays out I guess, I'll come back in like whenever and actually add something to the game.

[Eiralox]

But Mafia would think Mala is Vig.

Like whatever okay i guess.

ok fair I just thought about this after my above post. I mean poss... and then mafia have possible rolecop on team, so maybe mafia didn't kill to give themselves time to actually find the vig before the pool of suspects are narrowed down? keeping things as vague as possible and pushing for easy elims while hunting for the tk?

My other theory, which I stated earlier, is that Kenny/Dunn scum simply gave up start D2, before or after Fancy claim and Gamma wagon, and leaving the game without replacing out never sent in a NK? I mean that's still on my mind, can be that simple.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

i already figured out the vig from context clues starting d1 and having the vig confirmed via the night 1 kill sooooooooooooooooooooo

This is funny

[Irrelephant11]

I’d still vote Dunn

[Irrelephant11]

The point about avoiding accidental PR hunting is a good one, though I’m currently leaning BBT scum more, mainly for how D1 went down

[Irrelephant11]

I can understand why Lowell thinks I’m possible scum now too, if he thinks I’m PR hunting

[Confidently Wrong]

PR hunting as town isnt scummy lmao. How do you stop intuitively noticing PR tells? Its not a switch to be shut down

[Enchant]

I think i deduced tracker.

But i am not sure.

[Confidently Wrong]

I think i deduced tracker.

But i am not sure.

Yeah its me

[MalcolmTucker]

The point about avoiding accidental PR hunting is a good one, though I’m currently leaning BBT scum more, mainly for how D1 went down

I think we're currently in a strong enough position that it's unlikely to be an issue if we know more players with roles - if anything helps us info-wise.

[Irrelephant11]

I think Lowell being concerned about PR hunting might be a townslip? Scum has to no kill or shoot the tracker tonight, else could lose the game outright by being caught/generating another inno. Therefore the vig will live to tomorrow. Therefore the vig will get 2 more kills in before endgame. Between eliminations and vig shots, town gets 4 more kills (scum get 0-2). Therefore it hardly matters if they’re outed, because the vig staying secret doesn’t get them any extra shots. Unless we’re worried the scum is bold enough to shoot in the order vig > tracker and risk getting caught. But if the last scum is bold enough to shoot someone other than the tracker, they’re probably in a good enough position to win either way

[Irrelephant11]

Anyway point being: PR outing doesn’t help scum here, but being afraid that it does is towny

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Outing Vig doesn't help scum?

[Irrelephant11]

It helps deepscum. I don’t think it helps limpool scum because they need the tracker dead first

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Is your scum read on me based solely on my push on Fred? Because that seems silly. I understand in terms of diverting attention away from Loft, which it absolutely did, but I don't understand why you think scum!BBT does that instead of just voting Lowell?

[Irrelephant11]

Because loftwing was already voting lowell

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So what?

[Irrelephant11]

I think Fred died instead of loft for two reasons:
- scum were pushing Lowell and Fred as loft alternatives
- I picked Fred to die over Lowell when everyone was appealing to me for my & shoshin’s votes

Loft was the scum helping the Lowell wagon
Fred wagon having scum before I joined means it’s you, cw, or Lowell

Lowell is v towny for a million reasons we’ve gone over a bunch

Therefore: I want to lim you or cw. I pick you because I think cw has been sorting and you’ve been hiding

[MalcolmTucker]

Starting to think similarly to Irrelephant.

I want to eliminate BBT and I think vig should hit CW to cover both bases. I'd also be happy to do in reverse if preferred.

UNVOTE: till we decide on preference.

[Irrelephant11]

That’s the main reason I find you scummy but there are other reasons:

- After Kenny, the worst associatives with flipped scum
- When dunnstral replaced in, you’re “I’m so confident Kenny is scum I don’t need to hear from the replacement” went away and you instead said it was a good entrance because other people said so
- You seem as aimless as me but without the panic
- Refusal to play D2 after Shoshin was caught (no desire to out reads in case you were NKed?)
- Over-explained why you townread loft when no one asked