Why has Dunnstral gone down?In post 844, furtiveglance wrote:If we ignore Enchant for a second, Aisa/Dunnstral have gone down in my reads and BBT/CSF have gone up.
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Yeah, you voted someone else (froggo). You're staying off but not really saying to unvote Enchant either.In post 848, Gamma Emerald wrote:
If no reaction is a scummy reaction then ig my reaction was scummyIn post 840, furtiveglance wrote:I think Aisa and GE both have sus reactions to this claim, whatever it flips.
If that’s not what you meant then you’re pulling things out of your ass
As for Aisa, I don’t like the essentially nothing that she said about the claim itself but I feel like she’s been towny enough before that to still be a TR.-
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Should have been lower in the first place, just little thread presence and kind of active lurking.In post 850, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why has Dunnstral gone down?In post 844, furtiveglance wrote:If we ignore Enchant for a second, Aisa/Dunnstral have gone down in my reads and BBT/CSF have gone up.-
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Okay that’s actually kinda fair. Personally a Doctor claim doesn’t do much for me, protectives are probably the most common/most preferred scum fakeclaims for fishing counterclaims. Had it been a 1-shot Doctor claim I would give it a pass since that can only exist alongside a Doctor so it’s confirmable without killing or using an investigate on it.In post 851, furtiveglance wrote:
Yeah, you voted someone else (froggo). You're staying off but not really saying to unvote Enchant either.In post 848, Gamma Emerald wrote:
If no reaction is a scummy reaction then ig my reaction was scummyIn post 840, furtiveglance wrote:I think Aisa and GE both have sus reactions to this claim, whatever it flips.
If that’s not what you meant then you’re pulling things out of your ass
As for Aisa, I don’t like the essentially nothing that she said about the claim itself but I feel like she’s been towny enough before that to still be a TR.<Embrace The Void>
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I'm back. Having thought about it, I agree with an Enchant lim. I think Hiraki is closest to what I'm thinking:
What I'm thinking is similar. If claiming a PR caused town to back down from an elim, this would give scum a ridiculous amount of leverage. Therefore, we have to be willing to eliminate claimed PRs. Enchant's play does seem scummy, so I'm ready.In post 822, Hiraki wrote:
Not even that - it causes a massive amount of WIFOM from all angles. If you think about the scenarios here, this is probably the best scum play and the worst case scenario for town. [...]In post 798, Klick wrote:Ppl going 'Doctor, no lim' without actually considering the town utility of a scummy doctor claim with no other PRs claimed and no obvious night kill
It's close to useless at the moment if true and will probably lead to us just still having Enchant on the table as an option around D4.
I've checked and I think Infinity and Mala haven't yet been in thread. I'd prefer to give them the chance to check in, so I will hold off until then.
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enchant needs to die and i think a night phase would help me get more engaged regardless
i need to review what gamma said about csf
also i need to see if i need to review my furtive read. vibes feel very towny but a systemmate is telling me that an enchant red flip would make furtive look bad
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samesies! my brain is very clocked out rnIn post 855, Infinity 324 wrote:enchant needs to die and i think a night phase would help me get more engaged regardless-
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Short answer is no.
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I think this is completely false but it's a difference of opinion. I've used this same logic as scum before.In post 827, Lucian wrote:
Quickhammering Enchant once he claimed Doctor, if he flipped Doctor, would have been a little bit scummy. The fact that froggo said something that made him draw heat, and now is like "I wish I did a scummy thing so that I wouldn't get heat" is superficially a very bad look (because scum really doesn't want heat on them), but I think it's actually something Town thinks too, and Town is more likely to actually write it out.In post 825, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Why would hammering Enchant have been scummy?In post 821, Lucian wrote:Hot take, scum doesn't usually say "goddamn, I wish I had done this scummy thing when I had the chance". I'm guessing froggo is Town.
I still think the connections between Enchant and Froggo are pretty obvious if Enchant flips red. I also don't think a lot of Froggo's analysis is genuine.In post 846, furtiveglance wrote:Froggo is my lowkey SK read, they're scummy but not really paired with anyone because everyone susses them.
I would look in Aisa/Dunn. The people saying that Enchant doesn't give us information are absolutely correct. I really only see the Froggo connection. Froggoscum equity goes down majorly if Enchant is town. However, even after at E-1, the slot:In post 859, Gamma Emerald wrote:who fills the gap if Encanto is town?
- Hasn't done anything significant - regardless of pressure (claiming is not significant here since it's basically procedure at E-1)
- Is now claiming a PR that could go either way in terms of the claim
- Claims that this is nothing outside of standard play when people have clearly gone back and shown that it is (including myself in my own personal look)
So I don't really want to entertain the idea that the slot will flip green because that would be a waste of time.-
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is this anything I can refute or just a vibe you get from me?In post 861, Hiraki wrote:I also don't think a lot of Froggo's analysis is genuine.-
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You should omgusIn post 863, froggodoggo wrote:
is this anything I can refute or just a vibe you get from me?In post 861, Hiraki wrote:I also don't think a lot of Froggo's analysis is genuine.-
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It's not a vibe, it's my opinion.In post 863, froggodoggo wrote:
is this anything I can refute or just a vibe you get from me?In post 861, Hiraki wrote:I also don't think a lot of Froggo's analysis is genuine.-
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I'll vote Hiraki if you vote EnchantIn post 864, furtiveglance wrote:
You should omgusIn post 863, froggodoggo wrote:
is this anything I can refute or just a vibe you get from me?In post 861, Hiraki wrote:I also don't think a lot of Froggo's analysis is genuine.-
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Well if you give me any examples then I will use em to convince you to the best of my abilitiesIn post 865, Hiraki wrote:
It's not a vibe, it's my opinion.In post 863, froggodoggo wrote:
is this anything I can refute or just a vibe you get from me?In post 861, Hiraki wrote:I also don't think a lot of Froggo's analysis is genuine.-
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I'm now fully on board with the Enchant wagon, but for the sake of answering this, slots that are kinda in my PoE are Dunn, Infinity, furtive, maybe Lucian. Mala obvs is doing a Mala low-activity (which seems fair enough, she has reasons) so also no clue what to think there.In post 797, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Who would you want to elim Aisa?-
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(furtive's response for context.)In post 847, furtiveglance wrote:
Also, Aisa, I responded to that post. What did you think?In post 845, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
You don’t have to agree with me!In post 795, Aisa wrote:But CSF complained about my furtive scumcase, so I was going to reconsider that.
I've read it carefully now. I kinda liked it. CSF's response did make me want to reconsider and I do think that maybe last night I tunneled slightly. Or was wearing my scum-tinted glasses. Or whatever we want to call it.
I'm oscillating between "ooh furtive tone town" and "ooh furtive scum trying out a new posting style". Right now I'm in more of a town!furtive mood, but given I'm oscillating so much I think I'll let my thoughts on you simmer during this night phase. We can pick this discussion up again on day 2 if you'd like. Happy to commit to posting some thoughts on you as soon as I can at the start of day 2, so you don't have to worry I'm just scum being noncommittal/waiting to see what everyone else thinks.-
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True.In post 845, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
You don’t have to agree with me!In post 795, Aisa wrote:But CSF complained about my furtive scumcase, so I was going to reconsider that.
It just is a fact that your response made me want to look at furtive again.-
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I vaguely dislike Dunn complaining about Aisa's memes on page 27, and this is moreso a note to myself that I need too re-evalue Dunn tomorrow.
Not a fan of 692. Basically, I don't think a post like that of Aisa is very difficult to fake. "What is scum trying to achieve with this" is often a bad question to ask (a lot of scum don't try to achieve something with every single post), but in this case it's especially bad. Aisa claimed she liked Klick's analysis, I asked her what about it does she consider analysis. Reminder, this was the entirety or Klick's ISO when she claimed that:
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I think it's fair to say there isn't much analysis here. So theoretical scum!Aisa, if she doesn't wanna admit that she was calling a nothing ISO "analysis", pretty much has to reverse course and start talking about something vaguely related to what she first called analysis.
With that in mind, I find it odd that Klick would then use 185 as an example of Aisa ~getting her thoughts out in the open~. It kind of feels like scum looking for something to call Townie without thinking through it fully. Because the answer to "what is this post trying to achieve" can very easily be "Aisa is trying to convince Lucian she had some sorta reasons to call Klick's ISO analysis".I, too, have a destiny.-
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>:/In post 860, furtiveglance wrote:You, Dunnstral, Malakittens, Froggo and even Aisa.<Embrace The Void>
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