In post 160, GuiltyLion wrote:
I want to actually sit with his posts though and think through what others have said in response - please no "killing" yet lol
I probably should be annoyed at how D1 ended but this in retrospect is pretty hilarious considering what followed it.
I still can't comprehend what happened at the end of D1...
I'm struggling to figure out why Scum chose to kill Galron of all people. I was sure Alex wasn't surviving the night, given that he was basically universally TR-ed and he had a good D1. Furthermore, Galron was on the wagon against me, so leaving him alive would make it easier for me to get eliminated today.
Like, killing Alex just made sense from a Scum POV. Town losing what can be considered one of their leaders on D1 would be a huge blow. The question is whether the value of killing Alex was outweighed by leaving him alive and killing someone else, because anything but an Alex kill on N1 points to him, IMO. But even that doesn't necessarily add up, cause the question remains - why Galron then? Surely GL would have been a better option, though there's the argument that our discussion we started on D1 that's bound to continue today would not be able to continue today had GL been killed N1. The other scenario is GL is Scum after all - Alex being essentially "framed" would make most sense in a scenario where GL is Scum, cause then it would make sense why GL wasn't killed on N1.
Also, provided Alex was Scum, why would he choose to essentially act as a mediator between me and GL on D1? It would have been easier to just pick a side and vote against me.
Gah, I'm confused. I would love to hear the others' thoughts on this. Solely based on the NK, I think scum!GL or scum!Alex makes the most sense.
In post 181, Ph0enix wrote:I still can't comprehend what happened at the end of D1...
I'm struggling to figure out why Scum chose to kill Galron of all people. I was sure Alex wasn't surviving the night, given that he was basically universally TR-ed and he had a good D1. Furthermore, Galron was on the wagon against me, so leaving him alive would make it easier for me to get eliminated today.
Like, killing Alex just made sense from a Scum POV. Town losing what can be considered one of their leaders on D1 would be a huge blow. The question is whether the value of killing Alex was outweighed by leaving him alive and killing someone else, because anything but an Alex kill on N1 points to him, IMO. But even that doesn't necessarily add up, cause the question remains - why Galron then? Surely GL would have been a better option, though there's the argument that our discussion we started on D1 that's bound to continue today would not be able to continue today had GL been killed N1. The other scenario is GL is Scum after all - Alex being essentially "framed" would make most sense in a scenario where GL is Scum, cause then it would make sense why GL wasn't killed on N1.
Also, provided Alex was Scum, why would he choose to essentially act as a mediator between me and GL on D1? It would have been easier to just pick a side and vote against me.
Gah, I'm confused. I would love to hear the others' thoughts on this. Solely based on the NK, I think scum!GL or scum!Alex makes the most sense.
The problem with this is that I can apply very similar logic towards you or GL. GL can probably do the same towards you or me. I hate these kinds of discussions because they're so WIFOMy and talking about NKs usually devolves into speculation and circular logic. Part of me dislikes this post, but part of me does kind of get it because it is admittedly a weird kill and I'm on board with the paranoia.
Tbh I thought you or GL would be dead given you two had the most interaction and activity - although I guess you did have votes on you, but then maybe if you're scum you killed Galron since he was on your wagon? Or if you're not scum, maybe scum killed Galron to frame you? I don't really know, that kill is weird
I actually did think I was going to die as well, if not by mafias, but by a vig kill given Bambi outright asked people to shoot me.
In post 132, Sara wrote:I think Galron, Ph0enix, GL and kuti could be town
Wouldn't mind input here. Do we think Sara throws her partner's name in here or is this straight up a list of town people?
Only people alive not in this list are myself and Frog.
It's a weird post and I'm not sure which way to swing on it. But also there's not much to look at in her ISO given she only posted 3 times. She voted Frog at start of day, unvoted, and then there's the above post. That's pretty much it.
In post 132, Sara wrote:I think Galron, Ph0enix, GL and kuti could be town
Wouldn't mind input here. Do we think Sara throws her partner's name in here or is this straight up a list of town people?
Only people alive not in this list are myself and Frog.
It's a weird post and I'm not sure which way to swing on it. But also there's not much to look at in her ISO given she only posted 3 times. She voted Frog at start of day, unvoted, and then there's the above post. That's pretty much it.
Given that from what I learned based on this game and skimming through the other game she's in right now, she's an inexperienced player, I'm inclined to believe she would put her partner in there. I know I'd do the same if it was literally my first Mafia game ever, which I believe it is for her. Then again, I don't think there's any information to gain out of Sara's ISO - even though my gut tells me she would put her partner in her TRs, it's 50/50.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
In post 181, Ph0enix wrote:I'm struggling to figure out why Scum chose to kill Galron of all people. I was sure Alex wasn't surviving the night, given that he was basically universally TR-ed and he had a good D1. Furthermore, Galron was on the wagon against me, so leaving him alive would make it easier for me to get eliminated today.
I think it's probably important.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
In post 181, Ph0enix wrote:I'm struggling to figure out why Scum chose to kill Galron of all people. I was sure Alex wasn't surviving the night, given that he was basically universally TR-ed and he had a good D1. Furthermore, Galron was on the wagon against me, so leaving him alive would make it easier for me to get eliminated today.
I think it's probably important.
I mean, Ph0enix are you assessing the night kill to be a bad choice?
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
I was too harsh on my read for Phoenix. I apologize for that.
. VOTE: bambi
Kuti could you walk me through the progression here? How did your read change when you re-read the game?
Bambi response to me esp about saying they were going to nk me felt way too much for the situation. Their responses to others felt like they were boxxed in. I have no idea why Dunn hammered tho.
Maybe mafia wanted to cause people to tinfoil Alex since he's been leading town and very vocal? Maybe they kept Alex alive because his reads fit mafia agenda?
Galron just kinda existed and didn't really face any strong push so I guess it was a fair kill so that town can all attack each other for that eod.
In post 181, Ph0enix wrote:I'm struggling to figure out why Scum chose to kill Galron of all people. I was sure Alex wasn't surviving the night, given that he was basically universally TR-ed and he had a good D1. Furthermore, Galron was on the wagon against me, so leaving him alive would make it easier for me to get eliminated today.
I think it's probably important.
I mean, Ph0enix are you assessing the night kill to be a bad choice?
No, I don't. Alex made a good point in 182 - when I was playing scenarios in my head as to why Scum would choose Galron, I didn't look at a scenario where I'm Scum, cause I know my alignment. That being said - killing Galron kills two birds with one stone - on the one hand, as I said, Alex was an obvious choice for a kill. I don't think I was as much as he was, cause I had votes on me and he didn't. So Alex not being killed N1 puts pressure on him and makes us take a scum!Alex scenario into account. On the other hand, killing Galron also puts pressure on me, cause the kill makes sense from a scum!me POV as well - Galron was on my wagon yesterday, plus me killing Galron means not killing Alex and that makes his life on D2 harder as well for the same reasons outlined above.
My point is this kill makes both me and Alex look bad, IMO. That's why I think it's a good kill.
In post 195, Ph0enix wrote:My point is this kill makes both me and Alex look bad, IMO. That's why I think it's a good kill.
So it's unlikely Sara suggested the kill.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
Unless you think Alex didnt have any great alternatives.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
I don't even want to vote you. It's just what I thought
