In post 246, Xayah wrote:I can easily point to things I think look villagery in a lot of players or at least the effort put into the stuff they're doing. I cannot make that claim about you or scammper.
I don't think effort correlates to alignment unless there's established meta that makes the read better than rand.
I think your line runs more along the vein of "she's not efforted as much as everyone else so she doesn't deserve to survive today
yet
" which is unlikely to be compelling to anyone. I think you need to push harder to actually get things to happen.
In post 246, Xayah wrote:Datisi's posting have very basic level solving with fluff inside it to add onto the posts given.
is this supposed to be scummy? or like do you think it is
and i'm not sure i get how i'd be getting threadspewed townie there
I don't think reasons people are townreading are reasons that I think I would TR you for, and I can't tell if it's just simple disagreement or that people know you and are using meta reasons
"Nice world. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it."
In post 246, Xayah wrote:I can easily point to things I think look villagery in a lot of players or at least the effort put into the stuff they're doing. I cannot make that claim about you or scammper.
I don't think effort correlates to alignment unless there's established meta that makes the read better than rand.
I think your line runs more along the vein of "she's not efforted as much as everyone else so she doesn't deserve to survive today
yet
" which is unlikely to be compelling to anyone. I think you need to push harder to actually get things to happen.
That isn't what I'm basing my reads on at all but I guess that falls on me for needing to give a better explanation. Effort doesn't=AI nor is it the reason I took people off the D1 list. It simple falls under "I see reason to take XYZ off. I don't see reason to take ABC off." As for the push harder part? Yeah, I already know that if I want to get the results I want I need to put more reasons on the table but I'm not the kind of person to really build a case until I'm confident in the read. Until then I consider myself a reactive player.
"Nice world. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it."
I don't think it's hard for anyone to look like a conventional villager as mafia considering it's a basic skill and I will play this game under the assumption everyone knows what they're doing to some degree. Plus I don't know any of you so I don't think I could even answer that statement without it being a shot in the dark.
"Nice world. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it."
In post 255, Xayah wrote:I don't think it's hard for anyone to look like a conventional villager as mafia considering it's a basic skill and I will play this game under the assumption everyone knows what they're doing to some degree. Plus I don't know any of you so I don't think I could even answer that statement without it being a shot in the dark.
This is why I don't think the way you are sorting is going to be very productive or accurate.
I am known for my above avg read rate so for now I will just have to trust that my style of sorting players works. It has been a minute since I've been on this site so only time will tell.
"Nice world. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it."
In post 207, Datisi wrote:i feel like you're still not understanding what i'm saying in that post or the posts leading up to it, but i am about to pass out so. tomorrow i will rephrase if needed ig
no i'm pretty sure i understand, it's just that i don't agree with your thinking, i don't see coral/xayah as "easy" misyeets, you seem to think they are clearly town and me not seeing this reflects poorly on my alignment, i don't agree with your reasons for townreading them and the logic for doing so seems kind of reach-y
and all that being said i don't really know what it means for your alignment this game
In post 196, Donempire wrote:Remember how i said we needed someone on L-1? The one being wagoned is a factor in contributing to discussion, but so is everyone else on the wagon. Once the wagon disperses, there will be many posts to retroactively read , at least 4 vote posts for example. That way with a simple shitwagon in rvs you end up forcing 5 people to participate! You end up with someone who is a hard read by most of the town, lots of posts to investigate, maybe a claim.
Now that i said this, lolwagoning scamper probably wont have the same effect. But i can still make a solid case against scamper, and you can read my case, agree with me and bandwagon scamper. We receive the benefits i mentioned without any drawbacks!
So, i havent made my case yet, and i wont until i wake up, but the sooner everyone wagons scamper, the faster this game will run
You want an e-1 wagon on scamper because you want to analyze the wagon even though you can make a case? That doesn't sound pro town.
I mean, even if you think it's anti town does that make Done mafia?
Not necessarily but it's worth finding out isn't it?
I mean donempire wants an e-1 wagon and hasn't a reason for it other than to have it and review it. He doesn't even say it's for pressure. I think there'san actual reason to push here. I'd rather see an organic wagon.
why does that make him scum? i don't agree with the tactic but that doesnt make it scum motivated. the way youre presenting it feels disingenuous, i think it was obvious his scumread on me was legitimate even if he didn't have a fully fleshed out case but you act like he has no reason
In post 207, Datisi wrote:i feel like you're still not understanding what i'm saying in that post or the posts leading up to it, but i am about to pass out so. tomorrow i will rephrase if needed ig
no i'm pretty sure i understand, it's just that i don't agree with your thinking, i don't see coral/xayah as "easy" misyeets, you seem to think they are clearly town and me not seeing this reflects poorly on my alignment, i don't agree with your reasons for townreading them and the logic for doing so seems kind of reach-y
and all that being said i don't really know what it means for your alignment this game
In post 207, Datisi wrote:i feel like you're still not understanding what i'm saying in that post or the posts leading up to it, but i am about to pass out so. tomorrow i will rephrase if needed ig
no i'm pretty sure i understand, it's just that i don't agree with your thinking, i don't see coral/xayah as "easy" misyeets, you seem to think they are clearly town and me not seeing this reflects poorly on my alignment, i don't agree with your reasons for townreading them and the logic for doing so seems kind of reach-y
and all that being said i don't really know what it means for your alignment this game
i feel like both coral and xayah did something surface-level scummy that could be pushable, because it's not very likely someone would get flak for pushing them after they did scummy-looking things
idk how else to explain it other than "scamper making a relatively safe (but surface-level) push against people i have reasons to townread = i should probably keep an eye out"
i feel like you're taking my arguments and amplifying their intensity to the point where they don't make sense and aren't what i said, then arguing against the amplified version
i don't think it makes you scummy exactly, but it's making this conversation Difficult(tm) and i kinda wanna drop it now because i don't think it's going anywhere productive
for whatever reason i don't take an issue with the way you worded it here, just the initial presentation of it didn't sit right with me
In post 263, Ausuka wrote:Dats i don't really understand your read progression on coral?
yes
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 257, Xayah wrote:I am known for my above avg read rate so for now I will just have to trust that my style of sorting players works. It has been a minute since I've been on this site so only time will tell.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way;
You have three completed games on this site where you are on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [1/3] (33%)
I have ten completed games on this site where I am on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [7/10] (70%)*
I can tell you right now that your read on me is incorrect but I'm excited to see where you go from here.
*
many of these are just me shamelessly sheeping Datisi because he's so good
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-Irrelephant11
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In post 257, Xayah wrote:I am known for my above avg read rate so for now I will just have to trust that my style of sorting players works. It has been a minute since I've been on this site so only time will tell.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way;
You have three completed games on this site where you are on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [1/3] (33%)
I have ten completed games on this site where I am on the limwagon on d1; the hit rate is [7/10] (70%)*
I can tell you right now that your read on me is incorrect but I'm excited to see where you go from here.
*
many of these are just me shamelessly sheeping Datisi because he's so good
This isn't my main account my main account is in my sig. Plus, I've been playing off site for a year where I have a 60% town WR and something in the 70s% wolf WR. So yeah, you could say I'm a bit confident in the way I read people but if a townread of mine put a stop to one of my pushes I'd hear it out and prob look elsewhere but obviously rn I have no reason to do so.
Please show where I called you a wolf? Just because I'm putting pressure on you doesn't mean I think you're a wolf rn.
"Nice world. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it."
Honestly the most villagery scamper has done for me is the subtle annoyance in their posting but ik that's NAI. I'll wait for Done's case or what it is before swapping my vote off
"Nice world. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it."
I shall probably need help with some stuff as in a bit of clarification on if some reads are based on familiarity or based on things in this thread (if that makes sense) it's my biggest disconnect with this game rn
"Nice world. It would be a shame if something bad happened to it."
