Mini 666 - This Could Be Mafia - MOD ABANDONED

competentpsycho · Post Post #725 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:01 am

Late EBWOP - just re-read Muerrto's post. I didn't get someone ELSE'S PM in that game, just a generic vanilla townie one.

Battousai · Post Post #726 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:06 am

Well then tell me how that is not a possibility in order to balance the fact town can say their win condition?

Grimmy · Post Post #727 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:29 am

Quick note due to Rl issues.

While I havent seen a safe claim win condition in any games ive played, it does seem that almost all games ive played had very similar win conditions where all that was different was the words "town" , "faction", etc.

which is why I havent given much weight to the win condition arguement.

Also, the mod has added that win conditions may be different. This weighs against the win condition argeument IMHO.

TonyMontana · Post Post #728 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:04 am

Grimmy wrote:While I havent seen a safe claim win condition in any games ive played, it does seem that almost all games ive played had very similar win conditions where all that was different was the words "town" , "faction"., etc.

Maybe but not for the "you win when all threats to the town has been eliminated". I haven't even seen a standard opposition condition where it's used, and I have been looking.

Grimmy wrote:which is why I havent given much weight to the win condition arguement.

Also, the mod has added that win conditions may be different. This weighs against the win condition argeument IMHO.

What argument would that be?

Grimmy · Post Post #729 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:36 am

TonyMontana wrote:
Grimmy wrote:While I havent seen a safe claim win condition in any games ive played, it does seem that almost all games ive played had very similar win conditions where all that was different was the words "town" , "faction"., etc.
Maybe but not for the "you win when all threats to the town has been eliminated". I haven't even seen a standard opposition condition where it's used, and I have been looking.

Grimmy wrote:which is why I havent given much weight to the win condition arguement.

Also, the mod has added that win conditions may be different. This weighs against the win condition argeument IMHO.
What argument would that be?

the "i have this win condition so I am confirmed town arguement.

Grimmy
quick checking in to his games

ShadowGirl · Post Post #730 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:41 am

Muerrto wrote:
Battousai wrote:I feel that the scum could have been given a sample town role pm in their role pm.
I don't like Tajo and I'm fine lynching him but I REALLY don't like this. Has anyone EVER played in a game where you got OTHER people's PM's in yours?

I haven't...

I am/have.

TonyMontana · Post Post #731 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:16 am

Grimmy wrote:
TonyMontana wrote:
Grimmy wrote:which is why I havent given much weight to the win condition arguement.

Also, the mod has added that win conditions may be different. This weighs against the win condition argeument IMHO.
What argument would that be?
the "i have this win condition so I am confirmed town arguement.

Well, first of all, the notion that scum could guess the win condition from their own is not feasible at all.
Secondly, that there might be different win conditions is irrelevant, cause quite a few people have claimed to have the condition in question.

ShadowGirl · Post Post #732 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:22 am

Why isn't it possible?

TonyMontana · Post Post #733 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:52 am

Tell me how it is.

populartajo · Post Post #734 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:19 am

Why is it so hard to accept that I HAVE that win condition and that I am A WATCHER? Why do you want to lynch me no matter what?
Also Batto and Grimmy I cant believe how more obvious I have to write things so that you can understand what I am saying.
How the hell me having a win condition that almost all town shares doesnt make me town if I was the first one to come up with it?
Its just... I dont get it.

Grimmy · Post Post #735 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:21 am

Like I said before

I have seen games where the two win conditions were virtually identical except for a word or two. its very feasible.

it is also very easy for scum to jump on the wagon and say "me too" when it comes to a win condition arguement.

Grimmy

populartajo · Post Post #736 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:28 am

Grimmy does the win condition: "You could win when all threat to the scum are eliminated" makes sense to you?
And for the 100th time it wasnt the reason why Tony is confirmed. The reason was because he said that I had posted my exact win condition without knowing that I had posted the exact win condition.

TonyMontana · Post Post #737 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:34 am

Grimmy wrote:I have seen games where the two win conditions were virtually identical except for a word or two. its very feasible.

Does not apply to this condition.

Grimmy wrote:it is also very easy for scum to jump on the wagon and say "me too" when it comes to a win condition arguement.

And I don't see anyone arguing for anyone being confirmed on account of jumping on the wagon.
I'm not even claiming that my reaction confirms me.

competentpsycho · Post Post #738 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:06 am

Grimmy wrote:I have seen games where the two win conditions were virtually identical except for a word or two. its very feasible.

With this win condition? If so I would like to see it. Also, there are possibly third parties in this game, so there would be more than two win conditions, let alone the fact that apparently different townies have different win conditions. Wording all these similarly would be highly unlikely.

Grimmy wrote:it is also very easy for scum to jump on the wagon and say "me too" when it comes to a win condition arguement.

True, but it would be extremely risky to do until at least one townie confirms that is the win condition. Oh, and its spelled argument.

Just a question for everyone: Who here has modded games before?

Battousai · Post Post #739 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:19 am

I have once, on another site. Been on the que here for months...

Grimmy · Post Post #740 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:44 am

I just finished modding one on another site

Grimmy

populartajo · Post Post #741 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:03 am

Grimmy and Batto are just begging my vote.

ShadowGirl · Post Post #742 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:06 am

TonyMontana wrote:Tell me how it is.

You flip it. I don't see how it's so entirely unfeasible that this is possible.

Tajo wrote:And for the 100th time it wasnt the reason why Tony is confirmed. The reason was because he said that I had posted my exact win condition without knowing that I had posted the exact win condition.

I've said that it isn't entirely hard to believe he would believe that would be your win condition. :/

No modding yet. :3

populartajo · Post Post #743 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:34 am

Grimmy

Shadow, does the win condition: "You could win when all threat to the scum are eliminated" makes sense to you?

Shadow wrote:I've said that it isn't entirely hard to believe he would believe that would be your win condition. :/

But how did he know that it was the exact win condition?

Grimmy · Post Post #744 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:39 am

When does the hurting stop?
(what is the deadlien for day one?)

Grimmy
there isnt enough aspirin...

ShadowGirl · Post Post #745 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:47 am

It's possible, I suppose.

He could be:
a) Scum:
I> Your scum buddy and played along with the gambit. (And perhaps recieved the townie PM.)
II> Not your scum buddy and agreed with you, knowing you to be town and when he gets lynched that would partially, even a little confirm him.
b) Townie : And would know this to be the win condition.

Deadline is Nov 13th.

populartajo · Post Post #746 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:00 pm

Grimmy its time you answer everything that has been posted towards you.

Grimmy · Post Post #747 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:46 pm

populartajo wrote:Grimmy does the win condition: "You could win when all threat to the scum are eliminated" makes sense to you?
And for the 100th time it wasnt the reason why Tony is confirmed. The reason was because he said that I had posted my exact win condition without knowing that I had posted the exact win condition.

it can easily be switched for something along the lines of
"You could win when all threats to

your group

are eliminated.

Cut and past "the town" in there and VIOLA! A NEW WIN CONDITION.

Grimmy
its MAGICAL

ill take a quick look for more questions posed to me in the few minutes i have left
beware the multi posts

Grimmy · Post Post #748 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:51 pm

populartajo wrote:Why is it so hard to accept that I HAVE that win condition and that I am A WATCHER? Why do you want to lynch me no matter what?
Also Batto and Grimmy I cant believe how more obvious I have to write things so that you can understand what I am saying.
How the hell me having a win condition that almost all town shares doesnt make me town if I was the first one to come up with it?
Its just... I dont get it.

The Watcher role is one of the easiest to fake.

lets say there are 3 scum. You could post the next day that you watched scum number 2 and he did nothing. meanwhile, scum #2 was sent out to make the kill. This not only "proves" you are a watcher, but also helps to clear scum #2 as town because he did not move when the kill was made
...
according to you.

make sense now?
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again, I do not hold the win condition as proof of town, so all the arguing about it validating you as townis useless in my eyes. I think it can be faked. It IS possible to do, no matetr what the WIKIMONTANAPEDIA says

.

one more sweep for questions

populartajo · Post Post #749 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:51 pm

This is like the first time I hear that scum have threats...
I could be that usually scum have win conditions that involve majority in the game or such.
Ill research and come up with the fact later.