Open 97 - Lovers Mafia (Over in 3 days!) before 703

[Adel]

I think the setup should be run again as is. Like the first run of Mountainous Multiball I don't think this qualifies as a good test run.

[Adel]

It's rather unforgiving to the scum, one mistake is game over, but the town can screw up once without penalty.

That compensates for the natural advantage the scum gain from nightlessness,

especially

when they can coordinate unlimitedly during the day.

What if you add a Townie, remove nightless, and remove daytalk?

What don't you like about this setup?

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For a bit of perspective, consider:
Polygamist Mafia
4 sets of town lovers
2 sets of mafia lovers (all die together)
No day talking.
Nightless

I was in the first two runs of polygamist mafia as town, and won both. I replaced into the third run, again as a townie, and stopped the wagon that was on the player I replaced, and then I replaced out. I am confident that the town would've won that one as well had I not replaced out.

In neither run of Polygamist did scum try a very early game quickhammer gambit.

In the third run, in the Qt thread for the pre-game scum chat, Llama Fluff posted:
"Examples of this setup are open 83 (right now D2) and open 76 (town won). I would advise skimming both of these setups and praying Adel doesnt replace into this game."
source: http://www.quicktopic.com/42/H/ckxcypqFuncW4

compare with:

Lovers Mafia
4 townie
2 scum (die together)
with daytalking.
nightless

One of the scum placed a page 2 quickhammer.

I am convinced that both setups are easy for coordinated and patient scum to win. A scum team that establishes a plan to vote each other to lynch -1 (after the random voting stage) will consistently win in games where the town attempts to use voting analysis to find scum.

[Guardian]

This game basically *is* polygamist mafia, but with town disadvantaged since there is no one they can trust, but advantaged since there is less players to sort through.

In the past, the same players were allowed to replay Texas Justice because of a short game -- I would be interested in trying that here, possibly. I am placing a two-game max on myself though, so if I am in two by then, no dice.

[Adel]

This game basically *is* polygamist mafia, but with town disadvantaged since there is no one they can trust, but advantaged since there is less players to sort through.

In the past, the same players were allowed to replay Texas Justice because of a short game -- I would be interested in trying that here, possibly. I am placing a two-game max on myself though, so if I am in two by then, no dice.

please reserve a spot for my Deep South game... I expect it will be in sign-ups as soon as Tally checks in.

I'm on a one-game restriction right now... and I just replaced into a newbie game. Play one game, and play it right.

[farside22]

I think the game should run again as is to see if it plays out differently. Or to see if there is a balance issue.

[SensFan]

In the past, the same players were allowed to replay Texas Justice because of a short game -- I would be interested in trying that here, possibly.

I agree with this product.

[farside22]

In the past, the same players were allowed to replay Texas Justice because of a short game -- I would be interested in trying that here, possibly.

I agree with this product.

Wait does this mean the same players want to retry this game?

[JDodge]

I'd be up for it.

[SensFan]

In the past, the same players were allowed to replay Texas Justice because of a short game -- I would be interested in trying that here, possibly.

I agree with this product.

Wait does this mean the same players want to retry this game?

I would be very interested.

[farside22]

I sent the mod a PM in the matter. If everyone still wants to play and he doesn't mind modding this again I think it would be a good test. I suggest the mod send a PM to anyone who played and if one person says they can't just look for a replacement. Heck I may join the next one if someone isn't interested.

[SensFan]

I sent the mod a PM in the matter. If everyone still wants to play and he doesn't mind modding this again I think it would be a good test. I suggest the mod send a PM to anyone who played and if one person says they can't just look for a replacement. Heck I may join the next one if someone isn't interested.

Shouldn't modding this game go to the next mod on the list?

[farside22]

I sent the mod a PM in the matter. If everyone still wants to play and he doesn't mind modding this again I think it would be a good test. I suggest the mod send a PM to anyone who played and if one person says they can't just look for a replacement. Heck I may join the next one if someone isn't interested.

Shouldn't modding this game go to the next mod on the list?

I remember Rishi did ATIP twice but that may be different. So I could see this going to the next mod on this mod list.

[Lord Gurgi]

I would play again. I hope we could play more civilly. That said, I hope it would run quickly, but perhaps not so quickly.

[farside22]

Well I put the game on the Open Queue list. I think Sens maybe right about this. I have Jdodge, Lord Gurgi and SensFan confirmed to play again. Right now I don't have this as a sign up just a note for myself on the queue starting page.

[Lord Gurgi]

Well I put the game on the Open Queue list. I think Sens maybe right about this. I have Jdodge, Lord Gurgi and SensFan confirmed to play again. Right now I don't have this as a sign up just a note for myself on the queue starting page.

If someone is not interested, I vote Shanba/Yos/Thesp/Glork to replace

[SensFan]

PJ?

[Lord Gurgi]

PJ?

He's retired, is he not?

[SensFan]

So's Glork...

[JDodge]

Well I put the game on the Open Queue list. I think Sens maybe right about this. I have Jdodge, Lord Gurgi and SensFan confirmed to play again. Right now I don't have this as a sign up just a note for myself on the queue starting page.

If someone is not interested, I vote Shanba/Yos/Thesp/Glork to replace

I could probably get Shanba in on it. Just give me a couple of days. I'll get a hold of Guardian, too.

[Lord Gurgi]

So's Glork...

Glork is watching.

[Guardian]

Well I put the game on the Open Queue list. I think Sens maybe right about this. I have Jdodge, Lord Gurgi and SensFan confirmed to play again. Right now I don't have this as a sign up just a note for myself on the queue starting page.

If someone is not interested, I vote Shanba/Yos/Thesp/Glork to replace :D

I could probably get Shanba in on it. Just give me a couple of days. I'll get a hold of Guardian, too.

If we get the original cast I'm up for it.

[farside22]

Adel and Batt are the only ones besides Guardian unconfirmed.

[Adel]

I'm sticking to one game at a time, sorry guys.

[SensFan]

Much as I had my disagreements with Adel, I lose a fair bit of interest if she leaves.

[Guardian]

If Batt + 1 more is interested then I am probably still OK, assuming we don't lose more than Adel.