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[Ydrasse]

mmmmmm

[Ydrasse]

ari can maybe be town if she saw something that i also saw. ok no point in being vague when i didn't out too many reads, if she noticed that baltar not voting me is weird, then yeah +town

Red flag.

You think I'm obligated to vote you as my rvs?

i feel like the other reasons so far to suspect datisi feel a bit... better than this

why is this a red flag? datisi feeling entitled to an rvs vote?

[Ausuka]

Why do you ask? I think there's enough content here that you don't have to pick at vibe reads

Seemed like a read not based in reality.

What should I be picking at?

What does "a read not based in reality" actually mean

[Ausuka]

And it's not like I haven't posted thoughts on other players so like... Idk where you're coming from with the second question

[Ausuka]

ari can maybe be town if she saw something that i also saw. ok no point in being vague when i didn't out too many reads, if she noticed that baltar not voting me is weird, then yeah +town

Red flag.

You think I'm obligated to vote you as my rvs?

Is this really a 'red flag' to you

[Irrelephant11]

Ausuka is town for 259

[Ydrasse]

ausuka is town this is true

[Ausuka]

[Irrelephant11]

did you roll scum again my dear? <3

first of all, no

do you think it's likely i rand scum and then enter townreading you for no reason, after knowing you gave me a lot of shit for that when i was scum?

"How dare you scumread me for doing something that would be suboptimal for me as scum, I intentionally did that so you couldn't call me scum!" -Scumtisi

VOTE: Datisi

his anxiety levels went from 0 to 100 real quick and by 279, he's already invoking wifom as defense.
you said you'll be obvtown soon so we'll see!

Yeah this! First time I'm townreading HEM

[Ydrasse]

eatin some yogurt

[Ausuka]

"How dare you scumread me for doing something that would be suboptimal for me as scum, I intentionally did that so you couldn't call me scum!" -Scumtisi

This is funny and also town probably

[Irrelephant11]

Like acting like I'm making this push because I don't understand how mafia works or something just feels super not genuine from Datisi here. I don't think my concern with handing GL an easy townread in a situation where it defuses tension between him and Datisi is super unreasonable or difficult to understand.

Agreed that Datisi got super defensive when "good point, you can be town" would have been a townier response

not me but ari has barely pushed you seriously and you already pulled out a wifom defense where i expected more goofing to be present

+1

aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

- i had a gut townread on ari for noticing something is up with baltar
- that's good, but i don't know EXACTLY what she saw. if she saw what i did, then that's even better townpings.
- write out the first part of the post
- realize that (1) scum!ari could probably deduce what i was looking for, based on what i said and what she said in thread so far; (2) even if she couldn't, scum!ari could probably fake her reasoning on baltar ANYWAY because she has seen us in games together way too many times
- realize that there is no opportunity to actually get the stronger townread on aristeia
- decide that the weaker, gut townread is still worth mentioning as a starting point and as a way to get the game going forward

This is my first time having the thought "maybe Datisi is too stressed to be scum? Aren't most of the possible scumteams in this playerlist a Good Time(tm) and shouldn't scumtisi therefore be enjoying himself a bit more?
But that's like wifom-ing myself into townreading Datisi when the only AI thing I feel like I know how to use on Datisi is whether he's having a good time [yes=town] [no=scum]

I think Datisi is town

datisi black hole of attention

ugh good point. Can we talk about how guiltylion is maybe bringing more heat to this earlygame than I even expect from town!him?

[Ydrasse]

!

[VP Baltar]

dats, why didn't you withhold your ari read before she can explain what her baltar read was so you can read her better

well for one, she can still explain it. for two, i think scum-her is capable of faking that read. so i don't think it's too alignment-indicative either way.

Why bring it up if it's NAI?

[VP Baltar]

Why do you ask? I think there's enough content here that you don't have to pick at vibe reads

Seemed like a read not based in reality.

What should I be picking at?

What does "a read not based in reality" actually mean

It means it seems like you made it up and now you are covering poo with ~vibes~

[scamper]

Can we talk about how guiltylion is maybe bringing more heat to this earlygame than I even expect from town!him?

???

[Ausuka]

Lol ok. So how is it 'made up' exactly

[Irrelephant11]

Spoiler: guiltylion posts

what's up gamers!

VOTE: marcistar

why aren't you voting?

VOTE: scamper

oh this is spicy, i'd like to hear more

also i'm not getting great vibes from nero still

Why is it spicy?

Do you think scamper's ISO is especially townie or something?

his first few posts are fluff, I don't like the phrasing of 108 it doesn't actually give me any idea why scamper thinks HEM is scum while being an easy thing to say to justify your vote, 110 is offensively non-offensive. 114 also gave me a feel of trying to stir shit around Nero without actually directly getting involved.

@Ydrasse

what do you see as town here?

addendum I forgot to add,

specifically I really dislike the trailing "..." on 114, that's what gives me the shit stirring vibe. like if you think Nero being wrong in 113 means something, say that, if you don't, what's the point of the post

the questions about why dont feel like theyre aimed at actually sorting

what makes you say they're not aimed at sorting?

103 directly lead to 105 which feels like useful content from fire

Why do you think she should be?

cause that's what gets the game out of a no-information state, voting

also

you should know by now Gamma that I constantly hound people to vote their scumreads?

we just went over this in Eurybia's curse, being in a state of Not Voting is literally the least useful thing you can do

in the game.

I've decided Datisi is scum but we should let him live because he's cool

Datisi I'm putting you in the penalty box

, you're gonna need to start wowing me with some better reads to get out

Bolded are places where I was surprised at GuiltyLion feeling a little firey, a little overly negative, something off about the vibe.
I dunno maybe I'm inserting a tone that isn't there but I just got negative vibes from a lot of these posts? Like a puppy trying to assert dominance. Whereas I feel like from InnocentLion I'm used to something a bit more like an older dog slowly and professor-ishly catching scum.

No offense @GL I'm just using the best silly metaphor I can think of

[Ausuka]

Like is there any reason you seem to think it's so improbable that I have an early game gutread

[Irrelephant11]

Why do you ask? I think there's enough content here that you don't have to pick at vibe reads

Seemed like a read not based in reality.

What should I be picking at?

What does "a read not based in reality" actually mean

It means it seems like you made it up and now you are covering poo with ~vibes~

This feels like a wildly out-of-nowhere take?? Like even if you think Ausuka's wrong I'm not sure why it's so unbelievable that her wrong read would be based on vibes

dats, why didn't you withhold your ari read before she can explain what her baltar read was so you can read her better

well for one, she can still explain it. for two, i think scum-her is capable of faking that read. so i don't think it's too alignment-indicative either way.

Why bring it up if it's NAI?

wow can't believe Datisi is the planned D1 bus for once

[Ausuka]

Relly can be town

[VP Baltar]

you had a card you can play and didn't

halfway through writing that post, i realized that ari has enough experience with both of us in the same game, she would've been able to fabricate the reasoning. but my gut still said it's slightly townie and i wanted to put it out there.

Is this post hoc reasoning?

(I said I was going to leave you for ari, and now I've made myself a liar. Damn you, Datisi!)

[Irrelephant11]

Question for you Ausuka - should I scumread fireisredsir for starting the game with this post

im actually really sad i didn't roll scum here, it would've been so much fun

and then having the time of his life for the next however-many-pages-he-was-around? Or should I continue to townread him for the joyous vibe and for having 2-3 towny posts?

[Ausuka]

I was scumreading that but when he was around and poking me I thought that was towny so idk

[VP Baltar]

This feels like a wildly out-of-nowhere take?? Like even if you think Ausuka's wrong I'm not sure why it's so unbelievable that her wrong read would be based on vibes

Mostly because Nero hadn't done anything out of normal range there, fmpov, so I wanted to press a little bit and see if she had any deeper reasoning for making a town read there. She did not.

I think pushing on flimsy reads early on in a game can be a fruitful way to catch scum before they find their footing.