Mini 666 - This Could Be Mafia - MOD ABANDONED

[populartajo]

EBWOP
"be" should be "bet".

[ShadowGirl]

This is like the first time I hear that scum have threats...
I could be that usually scum have win conditions that involve majority in the game or such.
Ill research and come up with the fact later.

Threats: SK, Cult,

[populartajo]

<3 Shadowgirl.
I can buy the SK (cults are rare in minis) but my points still stands. It is very rare that scum have a mention to other threats in their win conditions. Also, my first part of my research showed to me that all win conditions involved some kind of majority clause.

[populartajo]

lets say there are 3 scum. You could post the next day that you watched scum number 2 and he did nothing. meanwhile, scum #2 was sent out to make the kill. This not only "proves" you are a watcher, but also helps to clear scum #2 as town because he did not move when the kill was made

Why would you believe me if you dont think I am a watcher?

[ShadowGirl]

<3
I doubt a cult, but seeing as we haven't had a night yet we have no way of knowing anything about a possible SK. But yeah, just wanted to bring up possible threats to scum.

Anyway, I think from that post Grimmy doesn't believe you...

[TonyMontana]

The Watcher role is one of the easiest to fake.

lets say there are 3 scum. You could post the next day that you watched scum number 2 and he did nothing. meanwhile, scum #2 was sent out to make the kill. This not only "proves" you are a watcher, but also helps to clear scum #2 as town because he did not move when the kill was made
...
according to you.

make sense now?

Fail.

Why does it seem like nobody knows what a watcher is?

[competentpsycho]

it can easily be switched for something along the lines of
"You could win when all threats to

your group

are eliminated.

Cut and past "the town" in there and VIOLA! A NEW WIN CONDITION.

Grimmy
its MAGICAL

Hmm so for the mafia: You could win when all threats to the mafia are eliminated.

So, scum wins if they eliminate SK and cults? It is magical, and completely retarded and unbalanced.

The Watcher role is one of the easiest to fake.

lets say there are 3 scum. You could post the next day that you watched scum number 2 and he did nothing. meanwhile, scum #2 was sent out to make the kill. This not only "proves" you are a watcher, but also helps to clear scum #2 as town because he did not move when the kill was made
...
according to you.

make sense now?

So you are wanting to lynch him on the chance that he MIGHT be faking. Its pretty easy to fake vanilla townie too, should we lynch anyone that claims that? You are suggesting we don't even give him a chance to prove himself. Also, congrats, you have proved TRACKER can be faked easily and give an advantage to scum at the same time. Watcher sees who targets that person. So by your logic tracker would be one of the easiest to fake. Care to make a case for watcher?

Again you have gone back to crap logic trying to get a lynch at any cost, not listening to anyone else who brings up flaws in your thinking. How is this pro-town at all? Everyone makes mistakes but when proved wrong town should have no reason to ignore they were wrong and not consider others' thoughts.



@tajo: have you modded games before?

[competentpsycho]

damn it tony you had like 10 hours and you beat me to it by 2 minutes... what the hell

[TonyMontana]

I merely set up the pins for you to knock down.

[Grimmy]

competant.

if you feel you have some better lynch options for day one then by all means, speak up and let us know who they are (requote them if you stated them before)

and i shall restate, that I am ok with a tony OR a tajo lynch today. I do not have my mind set on just one. These two are my top choices. You still have plenty of time to convince everyone of someone else though. So please, do so.

Grimmy

[populartajo]

I so want to vote Grimmy right now.

[ShadowGirl]

You've said that twice, already. What's stopping you?

[populartajo]

Some dude called Muerrto.

[ShadowGirl]

So you believe Muerrto is more scummy then Grimmy? Do you think they could be possible scum partners? [Just wanting to get as much info out as possible.]

[populartajo]

Yes, Muerrto looks scummier to me than Grimmy for the fact that Grimmy sometimes seems to not have much experience in the game.
Pretty much I agree with this comment.

I have arrived at the conclusion that you

(Grimmy)

play stupidly, which makes telling if you are scum really hard. You don't even seem to read the posts you quote, just inject your argument that doesn't fit in.

Lately, however, I dont like how he evades posts directed to him, specially when he's proven wrong.
About they being scumpartners, its possible. Specially with this post.

I don't like Grimmy agreeing with me for the wrong reasons. You don't vote someone for scum just because he's being an ass(or pissy in your words). It's because his reactions have been overblown and his defense is basically 'duh I'm town stupid' is why I suspect him. Town should be able to do better than that.

FoS: Grimmy

This is like the only mention Muerrto makes about him.

[competentpsycho]

...and his defense is basically 'duh I'm town stupid' is why I suspect him.

Sorry just have to comment on this, seeing it quoted reminded me of my initial reaction to this argument. What defense do you expect town to give D1? It's not as if they have an alibi or any sort of credible proof whatsoever that they are town. And its not as if there was any sort of credible argument against him before that, that he could defend himself against. You basically voted him for the prod thing, he said "Im town you idiot" and now you are holding that against him. The overblown reaction... I can somewhat see, but you did the same thing with the vote that started this whole fiasco. You are trying to use the fact that he is defending himself in the only way possible as proof he is scum. That doesn't make any sense to me. What other kind of defense would you have expected from a townie in this case?

[skitzer]

DEADLINE IS TOMORROW!!!

Vote Count Equations At the Moment:

populartajo = +fuzzylightning+Muerrto+Falcone+Grimmy-TonyMontana+Battousai-Battousai+ShadowGirl = 4
Muerrto = +populartajo+TonyMontana+competentpsycho-Muerrto = 2
Grimmy = +Vivian Darkblaam+pickemgenius = 2
Falcone = +Erg0 = 1
TonyMontana = = 0
Erg0 = = 0
Vivian Darkblaam = = 0
pickemgenius = = 0
Battousai = = 0
fuzzylightning = = 0
ShadowGirl = = 0
competentpsycho = = 0


Not Voting = -Falcone-pickemgenius-fuzzylightning-Vivian Darkblaam-Erg0-ShadowGirl-competentpsycho-Grimmy-populartajo = -9

FoS Count:

Falcone has pointed two fingers of suspicion at TonyMontana!
Battousai has pointed a finger of suspicion at Timeater!
Falcone has pointed a finger of suspicion at Battousai!
Battousai has pointed a finger of suspicion at TonyMontana!
Falcone has pointed a finger of suspicion at populartajo!
Muerrto has pointed a finger of suspicion at TonyMontana!
Muerrto has pointed a finger of suspicion at competentpsycho!
Muerrto has pointed a finger of suspicion at Grimmy!
Battousai has pointed a sfinger of suspicion at Muerrto!

Note: All player's win conditions are not the same.

[competentpsycho]

competant.

if you feel you have some better lynch options for day one then by all means, speak up and let us know who they are (requote them if you stated them before)

Grimmy, do you have any non flawed logic leading you to believe tajo is scum? I have already stated Muerrto is a better lynch option in my opinion. He uses craplogic, worse even than you, and is pushing it hard to lynch someone who I have seen to date no convincing evidence of being scum.

Overblown reactions... whatever - seen it from both muerrto and tajo - muerrto's was worse, especially considering the cause of the reactions
defense of "I am town" - what do you expect? (see my above post)
fact that watcher might be fake claimed by scum - NOT PROOF (any town role might be fake claimed by scum)

What else is there that shows tajo is scum? please tell me. With 6 people with positive votes on him (2 of which are being replaced btw), there must be some reason I am missing. Is this all based on gut feelings, and if so, why does that trump people using bad logic pushing for this lynch?

and i shall restate, that I am ok with a tony OR a tajo lynch today. I do not have my mind set on just one. These two are my top choices. You still have plenty of time to convince everyone of someone else though. So please, do so.

It seems here like you are just trying to get me to vote for Tony because you think I am trying to protect tajo and you are willing to vote for either. Not going to happen. I am not making these cases to protect tajo, but because I think (by the crap cases put against him) that scum are on his wagon. That puts Muerrto and you in my possible choices for a lynch. You have definitely moved up in my list from the way you are avoiding questions. You keep stalling with one day left to deadline.

[Grimmy]

this game has come to the same four or five people arguing in circles.

I agree that Muerto's original reason for voting Tajo was not good, but the things that occured afterward make it a better choice.

I stated I was willing to switch to a tony vote, and I still would, because I think they are both scummy, and the tony lynch is a little less riskier than a tajo one just to give tajo a chance to try to prove his "power"

I did post my reasons for the two lynches somewhere in this game, but I cant get to look for it right now due to RL time constraints. I also need to check to see if the person with the most votes gets lynched.

Im also wondering why BATTY has both a POSITIVE and NEGATIVE vote on Tajo. whats the point?

grimmy

[ShadowGirl]

You better not be serious, skitz! D:

Proddings?

[populartajo]

I seriously dont deserve to be lynched.

[ShadowGirl]

Unvote. Vote: Tajo

This goes against the no lynch powerrole D1, but of the two people I think that could be lynched before deadline, you are the scummiest and have the largest chance of getting lynched.

This is why it's both votes.

Batt, I think you need to unvote negatively.

Tajo, you might not be... It's no lynch, remember?

Vivi, pickem, come out!

[populartajo]

I assume you are happy with your vote, then.

[ShadowGirl]

I would prefer a Tony lynch, but yes.

[populartajo]

Like why?