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[Titus]

DeasVail (6): fireisredsir, Ausuka, marcistar, Frogsterking, Enchant, obscure
obscure (5): GuiltyLion, Datisi, Nero Cain, scamper, Dannflor
humaneatingmonkey (2): Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald
Thestatusquo (1): humaneatingmonkey
fireisredsir (1): Thestatusquo
Morning Tweet (1): DeasVail
Not voting (1): Something_Smart
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-18 20:44:00). With 17 alive it takes 9 to eliminate.

i was looking at datisis reasons for dv town and this one like

yes its towny for deas but that kinda suggests that scum besides obscure is probably on deas

and it isn't me

This is why I have Frogsterking as a suspect. If he flips town, Deas FoS.

[Titus]

fire ignored my comment about reflective step backs so he is scum

This feels out of character for you.

[Dannflor]

I was mostly joking

[fireisredsir]

dv with the first like actually decent reasons for frog town so now idk

[Titus]

I was mostly joking

Mostly? Was it a joke or not?

[Dannflor]

it was a joke

only if i squint and conf bias enough

it is a point for fire scum

[Titus]

Can someone color the VCs? Still immensely busy.

[T3]

i would be very surprised at there being two scum left, but i have been wrong before and i will be wrong again

also,

v/la wednesdays and thursdays

, my schedule is packed those days. will be checking in between classes, but if there's anything that requires a lot of attention, it's will have to wait my evening

Acknowledged

[Dannflor]

Spoiler: day 1

VC 1.2

humaneatingmonkey

(3):

scamper, ydrasse, Aristeia

Aristeia

(2): fireisredsir,

skitter30

scamper

(1): GuiltyLion

Firebringer

(1):

Nero Cain

Nero Cain

(1):

humaneatingmonkey

Not voting (12): Ausuka,

Juice, Datisi, Firebringer

,

Gamma Emerald

, Eiralox,

VP Baltar

,

marcistar, xofelf

, Irrelephant11, Dunnstral, DeasVail
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-08 20:36:00). With 20 alive, 11 is needed to lim and 10 to no lim.

VC 1.3

humaneatingmonkey

(3):

scamper, ydrasse, Aristeia

Aristeia

(2): fireisredsir,

skitter30

scamper

(2): GuiltyLion,

VP Baltar

Firebringer

(1):

Nero Cain

Nero Cain

(1):

humaneatingmonkey

Not voting (11): Ausuka,

Juice, Datisi, Firebringer,

Gamma Emerald

, Eiralox,

marcistar, xofelf,

Irrelephant11, Dunnstral, DeasVail

VC 1.4

Firebringer

(3):

Nero Cain, Ydrasse, scamper

Datisi

(2):

humaneatingmonkey

, Irrelephant11

VP Baltar

(2):

Datisi

, Ausuka

Aristeia

(2): fireisredsir,

skitter30

humaneatingmonkey

(1):

Aristeia

scamper

(1): GuiltyLion

Nero Cain

(1): DeasVail
Ausuka (1):

VP Baltar

Not voting (7):

Juice, Firebringer,

Gamma Emerald,

Eiralox,

marcistar, xofelf,

Dunnstral


VC 1.5

Firebringer

(5):

Ydrasse, scamper,

VP Baltar,

Datisi,

fireisredsir

Datisi

(1):

humaneatingmonkey

VP Baltar

(1): Irrelephant11

Aristeia

(1):

Nero Cain

humaneatingmonkey

(1):

Aristeia

scamper

(1): GuiltyLion

Nero Cain

(1): DeasVail

skitter30

(1):

Firebringer

GuiltyLion (1):

skitter30

Not voting (7):

Juice

,

Gamma Emerald

, Eiralox,

marcistar, xofelf,

Dunnstral, Ausuka


VC 1.6

Firebringer

(5):

Ydrasse

,

VP Baltar

,

Datisi

, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion

Datisi

(3):

humaneatingmonkey

, Ausuka, Irrelephant11

Aristeia

(1):

Nero Cain

humaneatingmonkey

(1):

Aristeia

, Eiralox

skitter30

(1):

Firebringer

GuiltyLion (1):

skitter30

Irrelephant11:

scamper

Not voting (7):

Juice

,

Gamma Emerald

,

marcistar, xofelf,

Dunnstral

VC 1.7

Firebringer

(4):

Ydrasse

,

VP Baltar

,

Datisi

, GuiltyLion
Eiralox (3): fireisredsir,

humaneatingmonkey

,

Aristeia

Datisi

(2): Ausuka, Irrelephant11

Aristeia

(1):

Nero Cain

humaneatingmonkey

(1):

Gamma Emerald

skitter30

(1):

Firebringer

GuiltyLion (1):

skitter30

Irrelephant11 (1):

scamper

Not voting (7):

Juice, marcistar, xofelf,

Dunnstral, Eiralox, DeasVail

VC 1.8
Eiralox (4):

humaneatingmonkey

, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Irrelephant11 (4):

scamper, Datisi, Nero Cain, Aristeia

Firebringer

(2):

Ydrasse,

VP Baltar

GuiltyLion (2):

skitter30

, DeasVail

humaneatingmonkey

(1):

Gamma Emerald

skitter30

(1):

Firebringer

Datisi

(1): Ausuka
Not voting (5):

ConManMick, marcistar, xofelf,

Dunnstral, Eiralox


VC 1.9
Eiralox (4):

humaneatingmonkey

, fireisredsir, Irrelephant11,

Gamma Emerald

Irrelephant11 (4):

scamper, Datisi, Nero Cain, Aristeia

Firebringer

(2):

Ydrasse

,

VP Baltar

GuiltyLion (2):

skitter30

, DeasVail

VP Baltar

(2): GuiltyLion, Ausuka

skitter30

(1):

Firebringer

Not voting (5):

ConManMick, marcistar, xofelf

, Dunnstral, Eiralox

VC 1.10

Gamma Emerald

(4): Irrelephant11, fireisredsir, Frogsterking,

Nero Cain

GuiltyLion (3):

skitter30

, DeasVail, Dannflor
Dannflor (2):

humaneatingmonkey

, GuiltyLion
Irrelephant11 (2):

Datisi, Aristeia

Firebringer

(1):

VP Baltar

VP Baltar

(1): Ausuka

obscure

(1):

Firebringer

ConManMick (1): scamper

Aristeia (1): ConManMick

Frogsterking (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not voting (3):

marcistar, xofelf, Ydrasse

1.11
Dannflor (5):

humaneatingmonkey

, GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, Ausuka,

Datisi

ConManMick

(4):

scamper, Ydrasse, Aristeia

,

VP Baltar

GuiltyLion (3):

skitter30

, DeasVail, Dannflor

Gamma Emerald

(3): Irrelephant11, fireisredsir,

Nero Cain

obscure

(1):

Firebringer

Aristeia (1): ConManMick

Frogsterking (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not voting (2):

marcistar, xofelf

VC 1.12

ConManMick

(7):

scamper, Ydrasse, Aristeia

,

VP Baltar,

Irrelephant11, fireisredsir, Ausuka
Dannflor (4):

humaneatingmonkey

, GuiltyLion, Frogsterking,

Datisi

GuiltyLion (3):

skitter30

, DeasVail, Dannflor

Gamma Emerald

(1):

Nero Cain

obscure

(1):

Firebringer

Aristeia (1): ConManMick

Frogsterking (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not voting (2):

marcistar, xofelf

VC 1.13
Dannflor (5):

humaneatingmonkey

, GuiltyLion, Frogsterking,

Datisi

, fireisredsir

ConManMick

(4):

Ydrasse, Aristeia

, Irrelephant11, Ausuka
GuiltyLion (4):

obscure

, DeasVail, Dannflor,

VP Baltar

obscure

(1):

Firebringer

Aristeia (1): ConManMick

Frogsterking (1):

Gamma Emerald

Irrelephant11 (1):

Nero Cain

Not voting (3):

marcistar, xofelf, scamper

VC 1.14

ConManMick

(5):

Ydrasse, Aristeia,

Irrelephant11, Ausuka,

Datisi

Dannflor (4):

humaneatingmonkey

, GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, fireisredsir

Gamma Emerald

(3):

marcistar

, DeasVail,

Nero Cain

GuiltyLion (3):

obscure

, Dannflor,

VP Baltar

obscure

(1):

Firebringer

Aristeia (1): ConManMick

Frogsterking (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not voting (3):

xofelf, scamper

VC 1.15

ConManMick

(9):

Ydrasse, Aristeia,

Irrelephant11, Ausuka,

Datisi, scamper

,

Gamma Emerald, humaneatingmonkey

, DeasVail

Dannflor

(3): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, fireisredsir
GuiltyLion (3):

obscure

, Dannflor,

VP Baltar

Gamma Emerald

(2):

marcistar, Nero Cain

obscure

(1):

Firebringer

Aristeia (1): ConManMick

Not voting (1):

xofelf

VC 1.16

ConManMick

(10):

Ydrasse, Aristeia

, Irrelephant11, Ausuka,

Datisi, scamper

,

Gamma Emerald,

humaneatingmonkey

, DeasVail,

VP Baltar

Dannflor (3): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, fireisredsir
GuiltyLion (2):

obscure

, Dannflor

Gamma Emerald

(2):

marcistar, Nero Cain

obscure

(1):

Firebringer

Aristeia (1): ConManMick

Not voting (1):

xofelf

VC 1.FINAL

ConManMick

(11):

Ydrasse, Aristeia

, Irrelephant11, Ausuka,

Datisi, scamper

,

Gamma Emerald, humaneatingmonkey

, DeasVail,

VP Baltar,

ConManMick

Dannflor (3): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, fireisredsir
GuiltyLion (2):

obscure

, Dannflor

Gamma Emerald

(2):

marcistar, Nero Cain

obscure

(1):

Firebringer

Not voting (1):

xofelf

Spoiler: day 2

VC 2.1
Thestatusquo (3):

Ydrasse

, Thestatusquo,

Gamma Emerald

Datisi

(2):

humaneatingmonkey

, Ausuka
Dannflor (1): Frogsterking

Gamma Emerald

(1): Dannflor

xofelf (1): Nero Cain

Something_Smart

(1): GuiltyLion

marcistar (1): Datisi

Not voting (7):

Something_Smart

, fireisredsir,

marcistar, xofelf

,

obscure

, DeasVail,

scamper

VC 2.2

marcistar

(3):

Datisi

, fireisredsir, Dannflor

Something_Smart

(3): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking,

scamper

Thestatusquo (3):

Ydrasse

,

Gamma Emerald

,

Nero Cain

Datisi

(2):

humaneatingmonkey,

Ausuka
DeasVail (2):

obscure

, Thestatusquo
Frogsterking (1): DeasVail
Not voting (3):

Something_Smart, marcistar, xofelf,

VC 2.3

Something_Smart

(6): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking,

scamper

, fireisredsir,

Ydrasse,

humaneatingmonkey

obscure

(3): Dannflor, Thestatusquo, Ausuka
Thestatusquo (2):

Gamma Emerald,

Datisi

DeasVail (1):

obscure

marcistar

(1): DeasVail

Dannflor (1): Nero Cain

Not voting (3):

Something_Smart, marcistar, Enchant

VC 2.4

Something_Smart

(5): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, fireisredsir,

Ydrasse

,

humaneatingmonkey

obscure

(3): Dannflor, Thestatusquo, Ausuka
Thestatusquo (2):

Gamma Emerald

,

Datisi

DeasVail (1):

obscure

marcistar

(1): DeasVail
Dannflor (1):

Nero Cain

Nero Cain (1): Enchant

humaneatingmonkey

(1):

scamper

Not voting (2):

Something_Smart, marcistar

VC 2.5

humaneatingmonkey

(6):

scamper

, GuiltyLion, fireisredsir,

Ydrasse

, Thestatusquo,

Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(3):

Nero Cain

, Dannflor, DeasVail

Something_Smart

(1): Frogsterking
DeasVail (1):

obscure

Datisi (1): Enchant

Not voting (5):

Something_Smart, marcistar,

humaneatingmonkey,

Ausuka,

Datisi

VC 2.6

humaneatingmonkey

(6):

scamper

, GuiltyLion, fireisredsir,

Ydrasse

, Thestatusquo,

Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(2):

Nero Cain

, Dannflor
Dannflor (1): Frogsterking
DeasVail (1):

obscure

Datisi (1): Enchant

Not voting (6):

Something_Smart, marcistar

,

humaneatingmonkey,

Ausuka,

Datisi,

DeasVail

VC 2.7

humaneatingmonkey

(7):

scamper,

GuiltyLion, fireisredsir,

Ydrasse

, Thestatusquo,

Gamma Emerald

,

Datisi

Dannflor (2): Frogsterking,

Nero Cain

Thestatusquo (2):

humaneatingmonkey

,

Enchant

Gamma Emerald

(1): Dannflor
DeasVail (1):

obscure

Not voting (4):

Something_Smart, marcistar,

Ausuka, DeasVail

VC 2.8
DeasVail (6): fireisredsir, Ausuka,

marcistar

, Frogsterking,

Enchant

,

obscure

obscure

(5): GuiltyLion,

Datisi, Nero Cain, scamper,

Dannflor

humaneatingmonkey

(2):

Ydrasse,

Gamma Emerald

Thestatusquo (1):

humaneatingmonkey

fireisredsir (1): Thestatusquo

Morning Tweet

(1): DeasVail
Not voting (1):

Something_Smart

VC 2.9

Morning Tweet

(5): DeasVail,

Nero Cain

, Frogsterking, Dannflor, fireisredsir

obscure

(4):

Datisi

, Ausuka,

Ydrasse

, GuiltyLion
DeasVail (3):

marcistar, Enchant

,

obscure

Thestatusquo (1):

Cat Scratch Fever

fireisredsir (1): Thestatusquo
Not voting (3):

Something_Smart, scamper,

Morning Tweet

VC 2.10

Morning Tweet

(8): DeasVail,

Nero Cain

, Frogsterking, Dannflor, fireisredsir,

Datisi

, Ausuka,

Ydrasse

DeasVail (4):

marcistar, Enchant,

obscure, Cat Scratch Fever

obscure

(1): GuiltyLion

Something_Smart

(1):

Morning Tweet

Not voting (3):

Something_Smart, scamper,

Thestatusquo

VC 2.11

Morning Tweet

(9): DeasVail,

Nero Cain

, Dannflor, fireisredsir,

Datisi,

Ausuka,

Ydrasse, scamper

, Frogsterking
DeasVail (4):

marcistar, Enchant,

obscure, Cat Scratch Fever

obscure

(1): GuiltyLion

Something_Smart

(1):

Morning Tweet

Not voting (2):

Something_Smart

, Thestatusquo

Spoiler: day 3

VC 3.1

Something_Smart

(5):

Ydrasse,

fireisredsir, DeasVail,

Nero Cain

, GuiltyLion

Menalque

(3): Frogsterking, Dannflor,

Datisi

fireisredsir (2):

Menalque

, Thestatusquo

Datisi

(1): Ausuka
Not voting (3):

Cat Scratch Fever

,

Something_Smart, scamper

VC 3.2

Menalque

(5):

Ydrasse

, GuiltyLion, Dannflor,

scamper

, Frogsterking

Something_Smart

(4): DeasVail, Ausuka, fireisredsir,

Cat Scratch Fever

fireisredsir (2): Thestatusquo,

Something Smart

Not voting (3):

Menalque

,

Nero Cain, Datisi

VC 3.3

Menalque

(5):

Ydrasse

, GuiltyLion, Dannflor,

scamper

, Frogsterking

Something_Smart

(4): Ausuka, fireisredsir,

Cat Scratch Fever

, DeasVail
fireisredsir (2): Thestatusquo,

Something Smart

Not voting (3):

Menalque

,

Nero Cain, Datisi

VC 3.4

Something_Smart

(8): Ausuka,

Cat Scratch Fever,

DeasVail,

scamper

, fireisredsir,

Ydrasse,

Dannflor,

Nero Cain

Menalque

(2): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking
fireisredsir (2): Thestatusquo,

Something_Smart

Not voting (2):

Menalque

,

Datisi

Spoiler: day 4

VC 4.2

Menalque

(1): Frogsterking
DeasVeil (1):

Menalque

fireisredsir (1):

Nero Cain

Dannflor (1): Ausuka
Not voting (8):

scamper, Datisi,

Cat Scratch Fever,

Dannflor, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Thestatusquo, DeasVail

VC 4.3

Menalque

(2): Frogsterking,

Datisi

DeasVeil (1):

Menalque

fireisredsir (1):

Nero Cain

Dannflor (1): Ausuka
Not voting (7):

scamper,

Cat Scratch Fever

, Dannflor, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Thestatusquo, DeasVail

VC 4.4

Menalque

(2): Frogsterking,

Datisi

DeasVeil (1):

Menalque

Dannflor (1): Ausuka

Nero Cain

(1): Thestatusquo
Ausuka (1):

Nero Cain

Not voting (6):

scamper,

Cat Scratch Fever

, Dannflor, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, DeasVail

VC 4.5

Menalque

(2): Frogsterking,

Datisi

DeasVeil (1):

Menalque

Dannflor (1): Ausuka

Nero Cain

(1): Thestatusquo
Ausuka (1):

Nero Cain

Frogsterking (1): Dannflor
Not voting (5):

scamper

,

Cat Scratch Fever,

fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, DeasVail

VC 4.6

Cat Scratch Fever

(6):

scamper,

GuiltyLion, Frogsterking,

Titus,

Dannflor, Thestatusquo

Menalque

(2):

Datisi

, DeasVail
DeasVail (1):

Menalque

Dannflor (1): Ausuka
Not voting (2):

Cat Scratch Fever,

fireisredsir

VC 4.7

Cat Scratch Fever

(7):

scamper,

GuiltyLion, Frogsterking,

Titus

, Dannflor, Thestatusquo, fireisredsir

Menalque

(2):

Datisi

, DeasVail
DeasVail (1):

Menalque

Dannflor (1): Ausuka
Not voting (1):

Cat Scratch Fever

Spoiler: day 5

VC 5.2
Thestatusquo (1): Frogsterking
Not voting (8):

Datisi, Titus,

Dannflor, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Thestatusquo, DeasVail, Ausuka

VC 5.3
fireisredsir (3): Thestatusquo, Dannflor, Ausuka
Frogsterking (1): Frogsterking
Not voting (5):

Datisi, Titus,

fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, DeasVail

ok im really reaching for an excuse to procrastinate work

my eyes started to glaze over half way through so apologies if i got a name wrong

one thing that stood out to me is 2.10 and 2.11 might be vaguely clearing for deasvail?

[Dannflor]

1.9 probably vaguely points to Shea?

idk I don't usually put much stock in VCA except for very rarely I think it can give some useful information

but seeing two competing wagons with one being all town and the other having two scum on it makes me think

[Dannflor]

eh but then if both wagons are on town you can just argue scum are happy being wherever

I'm not great at this

[Dannflor]

ugh I wrongly colored firebringer as red in 1.5-1.7 sorry titus

[Thestatusquo]

I have no response to that really, which is a huge part of why I hate VCA.

Its all subjective because scum can and do anything. For instance in the previous vc there are 4 scum voting in random places. They then move onto other wagons with only gamma joining the ostensible "counter."

If scum were trying to counter wagon the irrel wagon they weren't trying very hard.

[Thestatusquo]

I mean, scum!fire has to eliminate x number of townies

say he eliminates town!frogster and like town!shea

he is forced to start scum reading you again anyway and now he already has the groundwork laid. I think it's much easier as scum in this position to not be trying to push multiple things at once and frogster is probably the perceived easiest miselimination (in a scum!fire world)

Like I will often backtrack a lot as scum even when I know I'm gonna have to come back around to a scum read again because

a. it gets you town read
b. you don't actually have to push there until you need it to be dead

This might be on the nose but dannflor how do you think this description lines up with how you've been playing today?

I'm having a hard time deciding whether you feel like you're town actually trying to weigh pros and cons of various people or if you're scum keeping your options open because you know you need to come back to x miselims this game and I was having a hard time putting my finger on it until, ironically, you made these posts.

[Titus]

I don't like shea as scum as it would overload one of the wagons.

[Dannflor]

Yeah I don't like VCA either I don't know why I tried

[Frogsterking]

Shea are you like a mega athlete or something IRL

[Thestatusquo]

What does that even mean

[Dannflor]

I'm having a hard time deciding whether you feel like you're town actually trying to weigh pros and cons of various people or if you're scum keeping your options open because you know you need to come back to x miselims this game and I was having a hard time putting my finger on it until, ironically, you made these posts.

mmmm I don't really know how to answer this.

while I've changed my mind a couple times (thinking it is frogster to thinking it is fire today), I think I've been generally pretty clear about why those changes happen

I am generally a very indecisive person and I can be easily swayed but I don't *feel* like I've been playing to keep options open. really I'm trying to play to eliminate options. I get very excited when I see something that I feel like means X can't be scum.

[Thestatusquo]

Ok but do you think it would be fair of me to say that those posts describing how you would play in this situation as scum sound an awful lot like how you're playing here?

[Frogsterking]

What does that even mean

It's a pretty straightforward question.

[Dannflor]

sure

that was me arguing against a town read, not arguing for a scum read

I wouldn't trust a town read on me on the basis of "he can't make up his mind"

[Thestatusquo]

What does that even mean

It's a pretty straightforward question.

It's not. I don't know what a mega athlete is.

[Thestatusquo]

sure

that was me arguing against a town read, not arguing for a scum read

I wouldn't trust a town read on me on the basis of "he can't make up his mind"

I guess my issue is that I don't really see you having any preferences really besides fire. But you sure keep coming up with vague reasons people you're town reading could possibly be scum that you might be able to come back to later, but you don't actually seem that invested in them being scum.

How convinced are you that fireisred is scum and why?

[Frogsterking]

What does that even mean

It's a pretty straightforward question.

It's not. I don't know what a mega athlete is.

You're sort of a universal gamer FMPOV and seem to strive to do well at all of them. Do you apply a similar mindset to athletic stuff?