Micro 1062 | Divide and Conquer | Postgame

[Lucian]

I am in a hood with the Scared Bear and Somnus!

I think we should eliminate from the bigger hood today!

VOTE: Dannflor

[Lucian]

My first scalding hot take is that Radja would not have divided the hoods like this and is therefore town

I feel like this is the work of someone up on site culture

Others have already asked you to elaborate on this and I'm looking forward to that, but my question is - why do you think Radja is town just because the hoods aren't organized the way he'd do it? There's two scum.

[Lucian]

I have two scumleans who are from different hoods, so I'm going to declare the game solve is Dannflor/Somnus.

Somnus just feels performative. 22 doesn't add anything to the discussion. 18 is way longer than it needs to be. And the last line of 29 feels designed to make it known that he's definitely thinking and solving the game.

As for Dannflor, the timing of posts 15 and 21 is weird. I feel like, Dannflor as town would likely post these two posts at the same time. Either at the time of 15, when he allegedly gave up on being secretive about his thoughts on the hoods; or at 21, when he started outing reads. Considering they were separate (and assuming Dannflor was already thinking the thoughts in 21 at the time he posted 15), I'm guessing he's scum who wanted his posting to match the pacing of the thread, and didn't want to start promoting a solving atmosphere. And after Cephrir started outing takes on people being town, Dannflor wanted to match it himself.

As for townleans - Isis is townie for 23, Pooky is townie because my gut says so.

[Lucian]

somnus does feel performative but lots of players on this website are naturally performative - it's kinda how text based mafia works to an extent

do you have experience with somnus?

I do not.

[Lucian]

I think Dannflor is scum

Is it my brilliant analysis that convinced you?

[Lucian]

My first scalding hot take is that Radja would not have divided the hoods like this and is therefore town

I feel like this is the work of someone up on site culture

Can you elaborate on this? Why wouldnt I divide it like this?
I was thinking I would lock you as town if we were in different neighbourhoods, but that didn't happen.

Also hi Cakez, I remember you too!

to my mind, the small hood contains 3 small name players (because i have not heard of them) while the large hood contains all of the big players. i feel like you wouldn't have done that to yourself - it's too likely the players who play often will be able to find each other as town if they were all town. i think the large hood scum decided to carry the game, i think they are likely a veteran planning to blend in with a crowd they know well, i think because they are a veteran they most likely called the shot on how to divide the hoods, and the presence of strong players in their hood will also explain why they don't die at night.

granted this is partly stemming from my belief that eliming in the small hood was clearly optimal which i'm not so sure about anymore

Interesting, I noted something similar within the small hood. Me and Scared Bear, who are the only players on this list who could be either new or alts, are in the small hood, with Somnus. I was maybe more confident in Somnus being scum than I really should've been, as I don't think it's outright

damning

for him, but it does feel like it should be interesting.

However, your thoughts on the hood distribution do feel more coherent than mine. I can buy it. And I feel like it's a towny thought process from Cephrir.

[Lucian]

I think the analysis on me is Good from the perspective that it's slightly more reachy than I feel scum usually goes for one page into the game

I don't like this. Maybe it's because it hurts my ego. But this feels like handwaving my reasoning away. I understand it's not really strong, but I'm getting bad vibes regardless.

[Lucian]

i mean I want to think it's towny because it makes sense but I don't think it actually is? I think if cephrir was scum putting these hoods together pre-game he would have the exact same thoughts tbh

Well, sure. But if Cephrir is scum, I struggle seeing him decide to split hoods like this, and then right out of gate use this knowledge to townread Radja. It feels really easy to get called out as TMI for it, and it's not like Cephrir/Radja is a possible team for this to be scum setting up false associates.

[Lucian]

didn't cephrir literally just say he would split the hoods like this

My argument isn't "Cephrir wouldn't split the hood like this."

My argument is that, if Cephrir is scum who split the hood like this, I struggle seeing him enter the game with a townread due to hood splits, and then have such complex reasoning on it.

[Lucian]

It feels really easy to get called out as TMI for it, and it's not like Cephrir/Radja is a possible team for this to be scum setting up false associates.

^^

Scum is the one who actually had to spend pregame thinking about how to divide hoods, right? So any sort of "here is a thought out read based on hood divisions" is not unlikely to get negative attention.

[Lucian]

and I don't think he would be afraid of this point

Well, then he surely wouldn't have trouble coming up with alternative talking points. If he's scum, it feels like a move made from someone who wants to get into the game, but doesn't know how, so they fake reads based on things they've already thought about.

Granted, maybe he's actually a genius because I'm falling for it.

[Lucian]

I'm afraid he won't read it so I'm gonna get my partner to repost that in the hood

I read it!

I did not know that as I have never heard of the game. But I agree the sword holding is dope!

[Lucian]

I don't think Isis is town because she introduced me to a card game!!

I feel like your read on Isis is really boring!!

[Lucian]

SirCakez feels townie!

[Lucian]

No, wait, I lied.

SirCakez, why is Dannflor town?

[Lucian]

I think Lucian is town too but it's not really because he's been solvy

Then why is it?

[Lucian]

Is your point that scum!Isis expects everyone in the bigger hood to defend her, but she doesn't expect that from me and you, so that's why we're in the little hood? And the "expects everyone else to defend them" doesn't apply to anyone else in the big hood?

I feel like I'm misunderstanding...

[Lucian]

I don't really know how Isis could predict she would get some town reads early is my stumbling block here

I'm kind of confused how'd Isis predict she was gonna get townread by the people in the big hood, and

not

townread by us.

[Lucian]

YOU'RE OVERTHINKING IT

Story of my life.

I still feel like Scared Bear's analysis of the big hood dynamics has too many holes, but I can't help townreading it anyway... Is that silly? I feel like it is.

[Lucian]

no u

[Lucian]

You got any reads, Pooky?

[Lucian]

I don't know, is it working?

[Lucian]

r u just trying to talk in circles so i'll townread you :V

Thinking back, this kind of confuses me. Do people usually townread talking in circles? Does Cephrir specifically townread it? Was I supposed to know that? How was I even talking in circles there? I didn't feel like I was.

[Lucian]

For the record, this is where I would vote for Somnus, but that'd be E-1 and I dislike the idea of there being an early hammer, even if he does flip scum. So consider this a spiritual vote there.

[Lucian]

lynching

Heads up, you can't use this word anymore.

I'm not thrilled by Somnus' return posts. Similar to Radja. Do you think I'm mafia pushing you in bad faith? That I'm misguided? Any thoughts on anyone in the big hood?

[Lucian]

It might be because he outed no reads whatsoever and resigned to his own death. I'm not sure, though.

[Lucian]

For what it's worth, while I do really think Somnus is scum, I don't think eliminating him right now is the right move, as I said earlier. So I am more than fine to shift my focus onto the big hood for the time being. I also think seeing Somnus and Scared Bear solving the big hood would be useful.

I'm very unsure about the big hood, so I'd actually prefer voting there to get more information and to also force mafia to make a decision on who to eliminate at night.

You say this, yet you're the only person not voting. Do you really have no thoughts on anyone in the big hood?

[Lucian]

What about you?

I think I have made all my thoughts on the big hood players pretty clear, no?

[Lucian]

also imma gonna be a filthy pre-flip associator and say this makes me think Somnus is town cuz Ceph put this scummy ass vote on them

Isn't bussing something that's fairly encouraged by this setup?

[Lucian]

VOTE: Radja?

[Lucian]

Is anything interesting happening in the big hood? Is anyone gossiping about me? Ours is kinda dead.

[Lucian]

Ah, sorry, who should we slander instead?

[Lucian]

While reading Dannflor's 190, I disliked it, but couldn't really place why. I think my issue with it is that it says a lot of words, but I don't get the feeling of where Dannflor wants to go, or where he wants to push. To those experienced with Dannflor: is that a thing he does as either alignment?

It's also weird because I think that Dannflor's questioning of Bear's Isis progression is valid, because I sure don't understand it either, but it's not townie.

What about you?

I think I have made all my thoughts on the big hood players pretty clear, no?

Maybe? I'd appreciate it more if you'd give me a recap of your reads.

Why? My ISO is 32 posts long. If you're looking for a springboard for any sort of read, I don't think it'd take too long to scroll through it.

Spoiler: Lucian

Does this mean that I'm Daffy and I'm doing the solving, or you're Daffy and you're about to catch me?

VOTE: radja

I'm getting the feeling that Radja is scum who saw town-Pooky acting weird and is thus trying to vote him for acting weird, and not for acting scummy.

[Lucian]

Well there probably aren't that many gifs of teddy bears tracking someone down, are there?

[Lucian]

My current mood is that, every time i think about anyone in [Dannflor/Radja/Cephrir/SirCakez], I'm feeling some sorta reason why they are scum, and that's not very good.

Dannflor, would you say that 190 is a typical town-you post?

[Lucian]

does it help you guys if I do it in not stream of consciousness format because it looks pretty clear in my head

Maybe my assessment of 190 is unfair though, if it was meant to be taking definitive stances and Dannflor just didn't communicate it very well. It also doesn't help that Dannflor's reads are very different from my own, I guess.

[Lucian]

VOTE: RADJA

Unless...?

[Lucian]

Radja I probably have the least good reasons to town read and my strongest town reads are voting there

I don't know. I find it odd that you have both SirCakez and Cephrir in the bottomest bottom, but you choose to vote a townlean. Not saying it's scummy, just odd.

What are your thoughts on more recent Cephrir posts then?

[Lucian]

my head hasn't quite gotten into this game and that's unfortunate but a real thought i do have is that somnus is just scum giving up

I don't think that's wrong. But I also think it would be much better to pressure big hood inhabitants first before killing there.

I've been actually mulling for a while if the best move here, provided we all agree that Somnus is scum and are

correct

on it, to eliminate in the big hood. Forces scum into making a choice of either killing in the small hood (and thus sealing Somnus as scum even more), or killing in the big hood (and narrowing the pool).

[Lucian]

The board game card game in me immediately reflexes to say that giving your opponents choices is worse than not doing so

But have you considered - a chance to eliminate the big-hood-scum day one?

[Lucian]

hmm actually I take back my Somnus read I feel like they would have showed back up by now as town

VOTE: somnus

This feels like a scum-on-scum vote.

[Lucian]

why would I start bussing here now? if Somnus and I were buddies I'd fire up a wagon on someone else not roll over onto them
and I very rarely bus after Among Us Mafia where I bussed my whole team then lost lol

I think some things are kind of... universally understood currently. Somnus is scum; eliminating in the small hood is disadvantageous as we don't yet have a clear idea who scum in the big hood is.

You obviously agree with the first bit. But I don't get the feeling your vote is a pressure vote, exactly, as I don't think you believe one extra vote will suddenly make Somnus play. So what are you hoping to achieve, exactly? The answer is towncred upon a Somnus flip. Somnus flipping red doesn't help the town currently, because we don't actually have to kill him to solve the game, but if you're scum with him, it does help you. The town should absolutely be focusing on the big hood, because - Somnus flips red,

then what

?

This is an even worse look if Somnus is town, but I refuse to believe that we're in that universe.

[Lucian]

tbh im not really concerned about scum killing in the small hood i think they will just never ever do that

That's partly my point. If we can agree that Somnus is most likely scum, then the scumteam has tough choices to make in the night.

[Lucian]

VOTE: SirCakez

To be clear, I still think Radja is scummy - but I also think sirCakez/Radja competing wagons would be very good for the gamestate.

[Lucian]

TBH I don't really have any good reason to scumread anyone in the big hood, so Pooky's lack of content is just what I'm going with for now.

Do you think everyone else's content has been good and townie?

[Lucian]

Oh, if Cephrir is right about scum being unlikely to shoot in the small hood, then SirCakez's vote makes even more sense as a bus vote.

Think about it - Somnus is kind of universally understood to be scum. But if we miseliminate someone from the big hood, then what? You obviously want to shoot in the small hood (as Somnus is likely going to die one way or another), but doing so feels wrong because damning your buddy even further feels wrong. But, if he flips Day 1? You're free to shoot in the small hood as those people are then conftown, and you aren't shrinking the big-hood-pool as you're doing so.

So SirCakez's argument of "I wouldn't bus here as scum" is nonsense, IMHO.

[Lucian]

You gonna push me for it, SirCakez?

[Lucian]

Somnus (2): PookyTheMagicalBear, Cephrir

Radja (2): Isis, Dannflor
SirCakez (2): Somnus, Lucian
Dannflor (1): SCRRRDBEAR
PookyTheMagicalBear (1): Radja

Somnus (1): SirCakez

Gee, Somnus! How come the mod lets you have TWO wagons?

[Lucian]

i feel like at the start of the game the argument for killing in the big hood was "let's treat everyone equally and just elim scum" which i understood but now it's somehow become actively bad to elim in the small hood and i think that makes negative sense

I think "let's eliminate whoever is the scummiest" is a strategy that generally makes the most sense. But there are circumstances, like this one, where a different strategy might make more sense.

But my argument doesn't have to be specific for this setup - SirCakez is lazily voting a universal scumread, without trying to sort around them and without giving thought to who is scum with them. Like Dannflor just said, what do we learn from Somnus flipping red, besides the mechanical stuff about me/Bear?

I think "Somnus flipping red makes Lucian and Scared Bear conftown, which allows big-hood-scum to shoot them without invoking any WIFOM within the game" is a valid throught process. But the argument works without it, too.

[Lucian]

even if we were right we would derive little utility from his being around to interact with a partner

I don't want to keep Somnus alive to have him interact with his partner, I think that ship has sailed. I want to keep him alive to force scum to shoot in the big hood.

[Lucian]

even if we were right we would derive little utility from his being around to interact with a partner

I don't want to keep Somnus alive to have him interact with his partner, I think that ship has sailed. I want to keep him alive to force scum to shoot in the big hood.

but... what if they just don't

as isis said, giving choices is worse than not giving choices

Then they kill in the small hood and confirm the scum in it. Which is bad... why?

[Lucian]

I feel like I'm arguing that we should eliminate in the big hood, so that scum has to choose between A and B, and you're saying no, let's force them to do C. But both A and B are more advantageous to town than C is.

[Lucian]

I feel like I'm arguing that we should eliminate in the big hood, so that scum has to choose between A and B, and you're saying no, let's force them to do C. But both A and B are more advantageous to town than C is.

yes you are right eliminating scum is terrible

There is clearly more nuance in my argument than that, but sure, do what you want.

[Lucian]

You're free to quote where you've done analysis about who is scum with Somnus and why.

[Lucian]

You're free to quote where you've done analysis about who is scum with Somnus and why.

Who cares? Who else has done that?

Nobody. But nobody else started voting Somnus at this stage in the game when it's kind of clear he's scum gone in antispew.

I said you're not trying to solve past Somnus, you said I'm bullshitting. So which is it?

[Lucian]

Voting for who you think is scum is not scummy

You keep removing any and all nuance from my arguments and complaining how the simplified versions aren't good; I'd appreciate if you stopped doing that.

[Lucian]

voting who you think is scum is not scummy even if they are afk

If you wanna play this game by only thinking about this Day's flip and about nothing past that, I won't stop you.

[Lucian]

You don't wanna wait to see if he'll be back or if he's getting replaced?

[Lucian]

voting who you think is scum is not scummy even if they are afk

If you wanna play this game by only thinking about this Day's flip and about nothing past that, I won't stop you.

Great! So why do you care so much whether cakez does that?

Because he only did it after doing some token sorting within the big hood! And after he threw out a horrendous townread on Somnus and shade on Scared Bear! It does not feel genuine!

[Lucian]

You've been voting him for almost 10 pages. I don't approve of your strategy; but there's consistency there, it feels like something you actually believe in. While SirCakez suddenly decided that we gotta eliminate Somnus, and not only that, he also made sure that we all know he does not townread Somnus at all! Even though the only reason he had for townreading him was an associate read with you, which ended up being made from incorrect logic anyway! And he's not trying to understand my argument, he's just shading me and dismissing it! I don't like it!

[Lucian]

Sorry, Scared Bear, I will respond to it in a second!

And yes, it is the first time I mentioned some parts of it, because I don't always say everything I'm thinking. I feel it makes it easier to read whoever I'm pushing.

[Lucian]

You've been voting him for almost 10 pages. I don't approve of your strategy; but there's consistency there, it feels like something you actually believe in. While SirCakez suddenly decided that we gotta eliminate Somnus, and not only that, he also made sure that we all know he does not townread Somnus at all! Even though the only reason he had for townreading him was an associate read with you, which ended up being made from incorrect logic anyway! And he's not trying to understand my argument, he's just shading me and dismissing it! I don't like it!

Another reason why it rubbed me the wrong way is that SirCakez has been sorting within the big hood, and people were in the middle of running up Radja (who is in the big hood), and

that

is where SirCakez decides to start voting Somnus? Town knows that we need to catch the big-hood-scum to win. So the timing of voting for Somnus JUST AS people are actually voting someone up to sort them is...? I just don't get it from a town perspective.

[Lucian]

SirCakez has been sorting within the big hood

Tf? You're literally making shit up

Posts where SirCakez is clearly giving some sorta read on someone from the big hood:

Spoiler:

My first scalding hot take is that Radja would not have divided the hoods like this and is therefore town

I feel like this is the work of someone up on site culture

VOTE: cephrir this feels TMI

Ceph's page 2 was scummy af all weird setup analysis that gets us literally nowhere
who's the scum dawg

I think Dann and Lucian are town for pg 3

I think the analysis on me is Good from the perspective that it's slightly more reachy than I feel scum usually goes for one page into the game

I don't like this. Maybe it's because it hurts my ego. But this feels like handwaving my reasoning away. I understand it's not really strong, but I'm getting bad vibes regardless.

I mean, the actual reason for the timing of my posts is that I am constantly rereading the thread and my thoughts take a bit to fully form

and yes of course I am going to handwave it away I know that it is wrong

the only way I can evaluate it is whether I think it's coming from town or not, I don't think I can evaluate the strength of the reasoning itself very well

I do think it makes some assumptions that town is more likely to make though, at least at this point in the game

I liked this post for Dann town a lot. It feels like a real thought process and post.

if Pooky was scum I feel like he would have put me in the little hood with him and just made me mad all game until he could lim me lol

VOTE: Somnus


BEAR POWA

Based on fossil evidence from Russia and Bulgaria, the first known members of the family Procyonidae lived in Europe in the late Oligocene about 25 million years ago. Similar tooth and skull structures suggest procyonids and weasels share a common ancestor, but molecular analysis indicates a closer relationship between raccoons and bears.

also imma gonna be a filthy pre-flip associator and say this makes me think Somnus is town cuz Ceph put this scummy ass vote on them

no Radja slander fuck off

pooky's readslist was lowkey ass

is it scummy to lack conviction on page 7

yes

But okay.

[Lucian]

You've been voting him for almost 10 pages. I don't approve of your strategy; but there's consistency there, it feels like something you actually believe in. While SirCakez suddenly decided that we gotta eliminate Somnus, and not only that, he also made sure that we all know he does not townread Somnus at all! Even though the only reason he had for townreading him was an associate read with you, which ended up being made from incorrect logic anyway! And he's not trying to understand my argument, he's just shading me and dismissing it! I don't like it!

Another reason why it rubbed me the wrong way is that SirCakez has been sorting within the big hood, and people were in the middle of running up Radja (who is in the big hood), and

that

is where SirCakez decides to start voting Somnus? Town knows that we need to catch the big-hood-scum to win. So the timing of voting for Somnus JUST AS people are actually voting someone up to sort them is...? I just don't get it from a town perspective.

There's only 1 scum in the big hood. So Cakez going for Somnus at the moment I was getting votes might not be the best play, but there's 0% we're scum together so I don't see why he's getting heat for it?

...

You are

literally quoting

a post where I explained why I think SirCakez's timing of the Somnus vote is suspicious. How did you end up at "SirCakez and Radja are buddies"? Is nobody reading my posts? Am I not speaking clearly?

[Lucian]

no thoughts head empty

Though to be real, this "follow up" after admitting to scumreading Scared Bear and doing nothing about it is atrocious.

[Lucian]

Because going from "vaguely sorting between the inhabitants in the big hood" to "voting the obvious scum in the small hood" at the time that discussion was just picking up on someone from the big hood, is suspicious to me when you consider the following two facts:
a) The town HAS to eliminate the big-hood scum to win. We do not necessarily need to eliminate the small-hood scum. So town should naturally be focused towards solving the big-hood scum.
b) If someone from the big hood flips, scum has a tough choice to make in the Night (what I said earlier about shooting in the big vs. small hood). If the small hood scum flips? They don't have that dilemma anymore, and are free to shoot in the small hood, while leaving the big-hood pool intact.

Pedit: this is a response to Radja; I see Dannflor dropped a wall which I don't have time to read at the moment, I will get to it soon.

[Lucian]

By the way Lucian, can you describe how BEAR has been interacting with you in the hood? Or paraphrase some stuff you’ve talked about?

There has not been much, up until last night it was only early game shitposting and vague sorting here and there (mostly him disliking your earlier big post). Yesterday, there was a bit more solving by both of us, mainly him laying out his problems with you and giving a PoE of {Dannflor, Radja, Pooky}. The reasons against you are pretty much what he laid out in 380, plus a quote of one post where he suspects you're pocketing me.

Notably, that post on scum-you from Scared Bear in the hood happened

before

you dropped your "I think BEAR is mafia" in the main thread, which... Did feel like odd timing and made me raise an eyebrow, but I'm not sure if it's actually indicative of anything.

[Lucian]

a) The town HAS to eliminate the big-hood scum to win. We do not necessarily need to eliminate the small-hood scum. So town should naturally be focused towards solving the big-hood scum.

Maybe I'm just annoying you at this point but where my disconnect is is I don't think the last sentence of this follows from the first two

No, that's fine, I'm reading Dannflor's big post now and I feel like I'm cooling down on SirCakez being scum. Especially as multiple people now have called out my reasoning as bad, and obviously they can't all be scum.

[Lucian]

UNVOTE:

I want to think about this game a bit more. Can people tell me what they think of Dannflor's most recent big post? Especially the large hood inhabitants.

[Lucian]

I'm feeling further lost this game than I was before. 420 and 421 are... posts, but I can't in good faith call them scummy. Just feels like a townie in their own world.

[Lucian]

I’m not gonna lie half the reason I want to flip Somnus is because I think scrrrdbear is likely mafia

Dannflor, were you thinking of this back when you voted Somnus in 352? Because it feels weird to vote there with the intention of "have them flip town because I think Bear is mafia" and not say that at the time you're voting them.

[Lucian]

I had... some sorta thought about Dannflor/Scared Bear being the same alignment? That is, scum!Dannflor, who has to carry, probably doesn't get his hands too dirty by pushing town!BEAR on Day 1 here, especially after having a rather awkward vote on Somnus first. It would make

some

sense from a Dannflor/Lucian team I guess, but I know that's not it, so. I don't see why Dannflor/Somnus does it.

I don't remember why I was thinking that scum!BEAR + town!Dannflor doesn't make sense. Maybe it's just because I can't currently see BEAR be scum over Somnus.

[Lucian]

VOTE: Radja

I think I'm going to end up voting either Radja or Somnus Today. If they keep playing as they are, I don't think I can justify any other vote to myself.

I'm more confident in Somnus being scum than Radja, since his complete absence of towniness is more damning than Radja's, especially from my POV, but I guess I want to see Radja do more before EOD, as I don't think Somnus is ever doing more.

[Lucian]

I thought bear/dann was potential theater too tbh

That was actually my first thought when I saw BEAR make a Dannflor case in the hood, only for Dannflor to post a "I'm voting Somnus because actually I think that BEAR is scum" shortly after.

This doesn't feel like something that we should be thinking of Day 1, though.

[Lucian]

Do you believe my townbucket of you?

[Lucian]

I didn't even remember if I'd townread you or not, I just wanted to start a conversation. Is that evil?

You should get purple.

[Lucian]

I trust the people who listen to their heartsongs and lim in the big hood the most

Somnus (3): Cephrir,

Isis

, Dannflor

[Lucian]

I think my willpower is completely shot for this Day. I don't want to eliminate in the small hood, but it's also getting increasingly difficult to not vote out Somnus.

In my ideal world, the big hood inhabitants would be getting adequately pressured, but with the implicit understanding that Somnus is dying today, it's just not happening. Might even be better to just pull the plug there. I don't know.

[Lucian]

Why is Pooky scum, other than the even number of WIFOM layers?

[Lucian]

I have an irrational urge to call Isis and Pooky scumbuddies. Yes, I'm aware it's wrong.

[Lucian]

Should I be townreading Cephrir's most recent posts? I shouldn't. But they are such a mood.

...I can

feel

the quality of my takes deteriorating as the Day keeps going on.

[Lucian]

Interesting.

Hi fferyllt! Who is scum and why is it you?

[Lucian]

I like this post. I'm now up to two townreads. I feel more strongly about this one.

Does this mean you townread Radja? If so - why?

[Lucian]

The fact that 574 does not include anything about me, but does include multiple points against BEAR, makes me wonder if fferyllt has already decided which one of us she's going to push.

@Cephrir, you've played with her before? How good of a scum player is she?

[Lucian]

p wild that people are actually trying to kill me now that the slot is replaced and your conclusion is that im partnered with it

Don't think I get this post? It seems to imply that people trying to kill you is somehow the result of the slot being replaced; I don't think that makes sense but I can't make out a different explanation for this?

[Lucian]

I came back to find that you yelled at me for quoting Lucien's reads list but not asking questions about it. I won't have questions until I go back through Lucien's posts in this thread.

Sure, if we want to have that stuff in public, I'm fine asking here too - why was that post you quoted interesting to you?

(Also, that's not my name.)

[Lucian]

What is happening right now

[Lucian]

I came back to find that you yelled at me for quoting Lucien's reads list but not asking questions about it. I won't have questions until I go back through Lucien's posts in this thread.

Sure, if we want to have that stuff in public, I'm fine asking here too - why was that post you quoted interesting to you?

(Also, that's not my name.)

The part about alts was interesting. How to read you and SCRRRD given your join dates was something I kept coming back to. You had phrased something similar in the game thread, but the implication of your post in the hood was a little more emphatic. Reading it again this morning, the difference in phrasing is not as pronounced as I was thinking yesterday.

I was wondering if you're aware that that was not a readslist, just a copy-paste of the playerlist.

I was not planning for a difference in phrasing, for what it's worth. Though reading over both, I'm not sure how you see the hood post as more empathic, or what that even means in this context.

[Lucian]

Big Pool:
Lucian: This slot has fallen off a lot since the beginning - it feels like the slot started fast and then just ran out of gas because it's in a comfortable position and doesn't really need to do anything anymore.

This is not something that jumped out at me reading the thread in replacement mode.

It is something that I've felt, though. I started off strong because there were things to do; there's only so many things you can do when your two main scumreads are lurking.

[Lucian]

Also, I think fferyllt should be given zero town points for not hammering Pooky. If she is scum and he's town, it's probably optimal for her to not hammer him, even if she's in danger of getting eliminated herself.

If she gets BEAR eliminated, then good for her, she scored a miselim. If Pooky gets eliminated and flips town, then she scores town points for not hammering him. If she gets eliminated and flips red, Pooky is probably getting eliminated first thing Tomorrow morning. She can't lose.

Obviously she can't hammer in the event that she IS scum with Pooky, but I kind of don't really think Pooky is scum, so.

[Lucian]

Oh, the hood comment was meant more as "the big hood contains only established players, and the small hood contains only one established player". With the potential implication that Somnus is scum for it, as the odd one out. But I think I was already finding him scummy at the time, so that might be my own bias speaking.

[Lucian]

There's a reason my vote isn't down.

The reason being?

[Lucian]

None of the small hood seems to have an appetite there.

BEAR is already voting him...

[Lucian]

To actually answer your question - I'd expect the big-hood-scum to be positioning themselves better. From what I see, Pooky is a capable scum player. I'd assume that he'd be planning to effort if he was placed into the big hood. And this doesn't really feel scary.

[Lucian]

I dislike multiple small hood people reasonlessly town reading pooky

Who did it other than me?

[Lucian]

None of the small hood seems to have an appetite there.

BEAR is already voting him...

fferyllt, can you acknowledge this?

[Lucian]

Pooky -

main reason is the lack of a hammer

, though I hate to base reads on what other people do pre-flip. He's not exactly phoning it in, but he's not the bright boisterous bundle of town energy I like to see! Also, no overpowering scent of Axe.

The "lack of hammer" refers to 712, right? I'm assuming that "the lack of hammer indicating scum" means only that the small hood doesn't want to hammer him (i.e. me and BEAR), ergo Pooky probably scum (as we know Pooky cannot be scum with anyone in the big hood).

Except, your initial comment about me/BEAR not wanting to kill Pooky was wrong, as BEAR is voting him. Which you acknowledged in 733.

Considering you currently read me as town and BEAR as mafia, how does the "lack of hammer" point to Pooky being mafia? The person you're scumreading in the small hood is voting him.

[Lucian]

I don't understand why the somnus/ffery slot is apparently obvious scum to both SCRRRDBEAR and Lucian yet neither seem to actually want to kill it

Part of it is me wanting to give room to the replacement, and part of it is me still mulling over whether I want to flip in the small hood, or go with my previous strategy of flipping in the big hood.

Though I'll probably vote fferyllt soon, especially as my previous post finally seems like I found something scummy with which I can internally justify the vote.

[Lucian]

Oh, I understand what's bugging me. It was easy to say "we should leave the obvscum slot alive to force scum to shoot in the big hood", but now that the slot is replaced, there's a danger of someone actually changing their mind there. Which, if we were right initially, would be pretty bad for the game. And while Radja was (and is, I guess) scummy enough slot, there is a part of me saying that him being so stubborn about not eliminating in the small hood is probably +town. And now I feel like I have at least surface-level-y reasons to townread everyone in the big hood.

[Lucian]

VOTE: fferyllt

I'm still not

completely

opposed to eliminating in the big hood, but the issue for me now is that I'm not sure who in there would I like to eliminate. In an ideal world, there'd be pressure there to sort, but... I'm tired. And none of the current big-hood-scum reasons really speak to me.

[Lucian]

Did we win?

[Lucian]

If you actually are town - why are you calling fferyllt town for not hammering you? I laid out why that's wrong.

[Lucian]

...Sorry for being bad.

GG, and thanks for modding!

Props to fferyllt, you did make me seriously pause a few times.

[Lucian]

I stand by my dead/spec PT statements

I don't know what I expected, but a call for execution was not it.

No redactions in the small hood.