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[HighPrincessErinys]

Right, and I asked why your read had developed into a vote and you linked posts from 14 pages ago as if that somehow correlates to how your read developed. You haven't answered my question.

Getting into it

again

with TSQ, and looking pretty bad at the end of it, again. Once again, the fine line between logical reasoning and a clash of personalities. It made this one somewhat reluctant to actually put a vote on, but after so many bad looks for you it's just like. Yeah okay, vote. Keep in mind that this is also in relation to the Frogster wagon and it's subsequent death, because otherwise this one would still be on him even despite this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Right, OK. But 'How' did I look bad and why is it bad = scum and not bad = town? Like, what specifically makes me scum?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Right, OK. But 'How' did I look bad and why is it bad = scum and not bad = town? Like, what specifically makes me scum?

Tone, reaction, vibes, etcetera. This one simply thinks you're acting like scum in it's eyes based on the what it's seen from your bouts with TSQ. If you wanna argue against that, go ahead, but it probably ain't really gonna change this one's opinion on you and the situation.

[Solway Firth]

...Why would you sheep BBT's read on Bella if they're your top scumread?
VOTE: Solway Firth

Why is that even remotely scummy

BBT says he has a meta read on Bella

Idc if BBT is my top scumread, if he presents a good case as to why someone is town or scum and I agree with it I’ll sheep it

It’s not like if scum is townreading someone that means their townread is automatically scum

Yes, but I'm not sure why you would think that's a good case?

It may be good from BBT's perspective, but I don't understand how you could form a judgment on the words "Bella was to the point with early reads and that is more likely coming from town!Bella" without being familiar with Bella.
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I’m generally willing to sheep meta reads no matter what even if I haven’t played with the player. While I have seen people make up meta reads, but because BBT didn’t bother to explain his read on Bella I don’t see much scum motivation for lying about his read on Bella, irrespective of whether he is town or scum.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 1.13

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-18 11:30:00).

VC

Solway Firth [4]:

Frogsterking [595], Thestatusquo [726], Aisa [735], Grib [789]

BlueBloodedToffee [3]:

HighPrincessErinys [711], Eiralox [713], Solway Firth [733]

Aisa [3]:

Firebringer [80], Enchant [721], Elements [746]

HighPrincessErinys [2]:

Bellaphant [716], BlueBloodedToffee [778]

Elements [1]:

Not_Mafia [342]

Not voting [0]:

Flavor

Spoiler: Veep

[Firebringer]

So i read last few pages and got pretty much nothing to say on it.
seeing the VC not joining the other top wagons.

So i guess i continue waiting.

[Thestatusquo]

How do you feel about grib

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Prodding not_mafia and Frogsterking

[HighPrincessErinys]

Prodding not_mafia and Frogsterking

Third Prod of Doom for NM. Oof.

[Firebringer]

How do you feel about grib

no change since beginning of this game

[Firebringer]

not mafia just join me on aisa

[Thestatusquo]

can you give me a why on that

[Firebringer]

seen nothing to make me pause to think i should reconsider it

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Aisa

[Thestatusquo]

seen nothing to make me pause to think i should reconsider it

:/ this makes me think you're not looking very hard.

[Firebringer]

im not. i don't have enough townreads to start relooking at them hard enough to question them that heavily.
Also ur been asking me to re-examine bbt quite a bit.
Solway is the point of conversation right now.
Now i should re-examine grib?

Its like the only townread i shouldn't take a look at is elements so far?

[Frogsterking]

Prodding not_mafia and Frogsterking

I stand by my take that Solway is scum. I'll update all my reads after I get some sleep.

[Bellaphant]

Random catch up stuff:

I've looked back at hpe and some of the wishy washyness I fel about its reads might be because of its posting style. Im not seeing what I was. I'm not loving the throwing around of votes but again it might be a style thing.

Re: bbt and lost - I was saying that in that game you collected scum reads for some fairly poor reasons, and you were town. A consensus scum read on you is a really easy place for scum to hide. I personally think you get more readable as either alingment the further we go in the game. You played with klick recently as town and he thought you were scum but by mid game I was like 'no, town'.

Re: enchant, nm and eir
I've never read nm as scum when he's town. I'm not getting that here.
Enchant is a slot I wouldn't want to elim today.
Eir I was scum reading because their posts didn't leave an impact on me, but now they've reached out I feel better.

[Solway Firth]

Idc if BBT is my top scumread, if he presents a good case as to why someone is town or scum and I agree with it I’ll sheep it

okay but no case has been presented yet and you immediately said you will sheep it with low certainty. if this is how you meant it, wouldnt you say "lets hear it then" instead of sheeping this.

Also i dont understand mindset of sheeping reads of your scumreads in general but thats a tangent and probably not very useful in this convo

BBT definitely presenting something of a case, my rationale for sheeping I explained earlier.

[Bellaphant]

@fire, are you still happy with your vote?

[Firebringer]

I’m good with it

[Thestatusquo]

im not. i don't have enough townreads to start relooking at them hard enough to question them that heavily.
Also ur been asking me to re-examine bbt quite a bit.
Solway is the point of conversation right now.
Now i should re-examine grib?

Its like the only townread i shouldn't take a look at is elements so far?

What you're picking up on is that we have pretty directly opposite reads and I want to unpack that.

[Thestatusquo]

I'll jump onto aisa though because thats a thing we agree on.

VOTE: Aisa

You should probably consider claiming because if we put you to L-1 enchant will just hammer, so this is L-2 but functionally L-1.

[Grib]

Could you explain why you're voting Aisa over BBT or Solway? 754 is really your only fleshed out read of her (562 also exists but that reads more like a playstyle criticism), which seems like something you should have been exploring earlier in the phase. What kind of potential agenda are you sensing that differentiates Aisa from HPE, if you're going to compare them that way?

Also gonna throw in the post where you linked her and BBT, for completion's sake, as it's the only other post you give some sort of read on her.

Spoiler: the Asia posts for reference

btw if BBT flips scum Aisa's posts feel EXTREMELY bussy to me.

I am worried that aisa is just like... Idk something making the posts seem worse than they are or something because i really have been pinged by almost everything they've done but it's like idk would scum really play in the way that Aisa is playing? I feel that way wrt hpe too. I don't think there's a lot of people who just post stuff this easily attacked as scum.

I'm kind of willing to wagon aisa and not willing to wagon hpe at all because with aisa there seems to be at least some idea of an agenda behind the posts but i don't really see that for hpe at all.

BBT I'm willing to consider, though I'd probably want to do a reread and maybe find a case that is not your existing case. But I suppose doing all that is my problem, not yours.

I find this to be a pretty weird way of approaching the game. In one post you're like we need to wagon someone, which is generally true, then when I say ok, lets wagon here, you're like well I am willing to consider that but that's not generally how day 1 wagons work, they start with the smallest thing and then that leads to pressure that then in turn leads to action.

So it's like...I don't really understand your need for an airtight case to wagon someone and I'm having an even harder time squaring that with your stated desire to "find a consensus wagon" because like, homie, how do you think mafia works on day 1? We dont just all sing kumbaya and then hold hands and decide all together on one true scum candidate.

[Grib]

seen nothing to make me pause to think i should reconsider it