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[Ausuka]

titus if i colour in votecounts will u do something

[Thestatusquo]

I want you to hammer. People had plenty of time to do things and if they game doesnt end they can do them over night.

[Ausuka]

OKAY FUCK IT LET'S DO IT

VOTE: fireisredsir

[Ausuka]

is there some kind of ritual to bring t3 to the thread

datisi is an expert on demonic things i wish he was still alive

[T3]

VC 6.5
fireisredsir (4): Dannflor, DeasVail, Thestatusquo, Ausuka
DeasVail (2): Titus, fireisredsir
Not voting (1): GuiltyLion
Day 6 will end in (expired on 2022-10-28 14:59:00)

[T3]

fireisredsir was eliminated. She was a Vanilla Townie.
Night 6 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-10-24 13:54:00).

[T3]

Dannflor died in the night. He was a Vanilla Townie.

[T3]

VC 7.1
Not voting (5): Ausuka, Titus, GuiltyLion, Thestatusquo, DeasVail
Day 6 will end in (expired on 2022-11-03 18:05:00)

[Titus]

I want you to hammer. People had plenty of time to do things and if they game doesnt end they can do them over night.

VOTE: GL

[Titus]

VOTE: TSQ mb

[Ausuka]

Ok uh that isn't really what I expected?

Titus why is it GL and why are you still here

[Ausuka]

Whatever i still don't think tinfoiling this today is worth it in terms of ev actually

My main focus should probably be on sorting shea and dv today

That means doing actual work though and I'm lazy ugh

[GuiltyLion]

-_-

my gut says DV, but there are still large chunks of this game that I haven't revisited

I also plan to reread obscure's pushes on DV again. I remember initially feeling obscure felt like he genuinely believed DV was scum (4019), but then deciding he was suspiciously

too

confident in it for flimsy/unbelievable reasons (5362), and in light of fire's thoughts + townflip I am now thinking this is more likely to be distancing theater instead of scum tunneling a townie. I had somewhat mindlessly discarded that idea earlier (8811), but it feels more likely as the POE shrinks. overall I still think Ausuka/Titus are unassailably town and TSQ just feels more genuinely uninformed and earnestly present than DV if I compare the two on vibes.

however, I also really need to stop just coasting on vibes so expect more from me shortly

[Titus]

Ok uh that isn't really what I expected?

Titus why is it GL and why are you still here

Because I was expected to shoot wrong. Then it wouldn't matter who they shot if wrong.

VOTE: unvote

Utterly detest shea rushing the hammer.

[GuiltyLion]

DeasVail (6): fireisredsir, Ausuka, marcistar, Frogsterking, Enchant, obscure
obscure (5): GuiltyLion, Datisi, Nero Cain, scamper, Dannflor
humaneatingmonkey (2): Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald
Thestatusquo (1): humaneatingmonkey
fireisredsir (1): Thestatusquo
Morning Tweet (1): DeasVail
Not voting (1): Something_Smart
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-18 20:44:00). With 17 alive it takes 9 to eliminate.

I also think

normally

this is a bad look for DV - counterwagon to scum yet both of the other known scum (Gamma, HEM) are wasting votes elsewhere, neither bussing for towncred nor pushing the hypothetical DV miselim. Knowing everyone else's alignment on the DV wagon (as well as my own) it feels like it'd have to be exactly Ausuka if DV is town (if scum!TSQ, why are all three scum vanity voting in a T/S dueling wagon situation), but I strongly TR Ausuka, so...

unfortunately the caveat here, the reason I only say "normally", is that this is also a part in the game where both Gamma and HEM were flaking/replacing out, so it's not strictly as damning as I want it to be if they had been active and posting frequently. I plan to go back and reread this bit in context to see what their angles/trajectories were specifically around this time as DV/obscure wagons were each building, to what degree they were present at all, but I haven't gotten to that yet

[GuiltyLion]

Utterly detest shea rushing the hammer.

meh it wasn't great that Shea did that but I don't think it's indicative, scum!Shea could just as easily be patient there. They weren't being seriously considered as a lim that day and all the momentum was on fire, who was pushing DV. I don't think there's really a lot of utility gained from rushing the hammer for scum!Shea, seems more like a personality thing than an alignment thing. It could also easily come from town who genuinely thinks the game has a high chance of ending with the hammer.

[GuiltyLion]

Morning Tweet (9): DeasVail, Nero Cain, Dannflor, fireisredsir, Datisi, Ausuka, Ydrasse, scamper, Frogsterking

I also want to say TSQ is town based on this wagon - if scum!TSQ, it would mean 9 townies collectively voted scum out with not a single scum bussing and playing for towncred. That's exceedingly rare, I don't think I can recall a single time I've seen a wagon that large consist entirely of town.

[GuiltyLion]

I guess Shea did make a lot of noise about how they

wanted

to be on that wagon, Frogster's hammer was unexpected, but I don't think that changes the point all that much. if scum!TSQ had really

really

wanted to be on the scum wagon, they wouldn't have removed or hesitated with their vote, especially since they were calling out Gamma from the get. I think previously we also touched on TSQ yelling about it is arguably +town, since scum may be more self-conscious about the optics of explicitly complaining that they weren't on the wagon.

[GuiltyLion]

feh okay yeah I just checked Gamma/HEM ISOs and both had fully replaced out before DV wagon was really even a thing

so I guess the VCA logic can't be fully trusted

at the same time I don't think it's like completely wrong. at least as far as Shea goes I still think it's +town, it's just maybe not a full +scum for DV

[Thestatusquo]

Ok uh that isn't really what I expected?

Titus why is it GL and why are you still here

Because I was expected to shoot wrong. Then it wouldn't matter who they shot if wrong.

VOTE: unvote

Utterly detest shea rushing the hammer.

You've put roughly 0 effort into this game so don't talk to me about what you like and don't like.

[Thestatusquo]

Is there any way at all that is normal for scum to get a second kill?

Like the person who is the scummiest here is by far titus.

[Thestatusquo]

And I don't think scum would keep titus alive to wifom if shes town because she's confirmed to have killed so there isn't like a lot of upside there.

[GuiltyLion]

I think the only scenario where Titus is scum is she's a serial killer and either has a gated kill or Nero happened to hit VPB or Ari on D1 and then decided to play it modified vig once HEM's vig claim came out. I don't think she can be group scum by Normal rules? but someone please tell me if that's wrong

and even then if she's SK it's still also weird that HEM claimed

modified

vig. That means if Titus is SK he got remarkably lucky with a complete BS claim that perfectly slotted in with the

one

town modified vig, or scum had to have knowledge of marci's role somehow

[GuiltyLion]

wait Titus can't be a gated kill SK cause then we would have had a night of no-kills, so scrap that bit

[DeasVail]

I will be going through every slot in depth over the next few days