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[DeasVail]

Yeah this progression doesn't feel remotely real.

What about it does not feel real to you?

[Ausuka]

Ausuka I think with respect to your most recent post, if I had to lim between Relly and DV, Relly definitely seems scummier, I follow along with what you're calling out (and I should also reread that scamper case). but then there's all this stuff from TSQ that I like and feels less likely to come from scum unless they're playing really well. which makes me kinda worried as usually early game is best for finding useful info but we can't get any evolution/explanation from Irrelephant on how he was playing, and maybe he was just having a bad game and I shouldn't discount a wealth of stuff from TSQ that I like?

I understand this and like maybe going through Relly's stuff is unfair to TSQ but like

I was intending to read the whole game at some point and hopefully would include his stuff too

But maybe that's overly optimistic

[GuiltyLion]

VC 1.8
Eiralox (4): humaneatingmonkey, fireisredsir, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Irrelephant11 (4): scamper, Datisi, Nero Cain, Aristeia
Firebringer (2): Ydrasse, VP Baltar
GuiltyLion (2): skitter30, DeasVail
humaneatingmonkey (1): Gamma Emerald
skitter30 (1): Firebringer
Datisi (1): Ausuka
Not voting (5): ConManMick, marcistar, xofelf, Dunnstral, Eiralox
Day 1 will end in [Deadline is paused at 8 days and 4 hours]. With 20 alive, 11 is needed to lim and 10 to no lim.
Mod notes: truck driver got cleanly storrowed

Wagon noted. No content to add for probably 24 hours sorry. Feel free to keep voting me though I like when I know a wagon is on town, makes vca easier

this feels rather awkward

VOTE: eiralox
idrg what this wagon is about but I'll give it a try

one other point is that Eira/Irrelephant wagons are tied here (and if we assume town!Titus, Relly wagon is completely pure, Eira wagon has HEM scum on it) and yet Gamma distances Irrelephant and then votes Eira wagon alongside him instead??

[DeasVail]

Glad you were able to come to the conclusion that you were always going to though.

Also would be interested to know if you think I’m wrong on any of my townreads

[GuiltyLion]

it seems every time I look at a slice of this game I find reasons to reverse my reads on DV/Shea in whatever direction they were most recently trending

[Ausuka]

it seems every time I look at a slice of this game I find reasons to reverse my reads on DV/Shea in whatever direction they were most recently trending

This is a strong mood

[DeasVail]

I have work today but hopefully will be able to have my thoughts on TSQ up within the next 12 hours depending on how busy things get. I want to do my best to explain it right because TSQ was at one stage my strongest townread and for what I still don’t think were bad reasons, so it’s a tricky read!

[Ausuka]

ok I know no one wants to talk about it but I'm gonna talk about it

Why didn't nero either cc kitty scratch or like shoot her

I think the enchant shot there is massively odd

I know he's not here to talk about it and that's frustrating and replacements suck as a mechanic but like. Does anyone have an explanation that makes sense

[Ausuka]

Mechanically it feels like I shouldn't suspect Titus but like

I feel like I have to force myself to sus DV or shea and titus in this gamestate feels... not very town

[Ausuka]

I was strongly townreading nero earlier but I think that is sort of natural with a SK which is uninformed

[DeasVail]

My best explanation was that Nero thought that there could be 3 modified vigs?

Iirc HEM/CSF hadn’t fully claimed by the time that Nero replaced out.

Also not sure why as an SK you wouldn’t just shoot every night.

And last I don’t think it would be that hard for Titus to look town here if they wanted to?

[Ausuka]

Maybe i'm misremembering what d2 was like but i thought it was fairly apparent that we had marci as an ON vig and hem was claiming the over vig -> EN vigilante, which is why we cleared kitty scratch for a while and nero went along with that?

I also think the only night that isn't explained is n1 which could just be nero shooting ari and vpb

And I don't really understand what the last line means

[Ausuka]

Idk yeah this is probably dumb it requires too many what ifs

I will go back to the rereading thing after my pizza

[Titus]

And last I don’t think it would be that hard for Titus to look town here if they wanted to?

I am having a hopefully brief medical issue. I have to prioritize work first.

[Titus]

it seems every time I look at a slice of this game I find reasons to reverse my reads on DV/Shea in whatever direction they were most recently trending

This is a strong mood

What if it's DV Shea?

I'm thinking we lim DV but want to check my VCA.

[Ausuka]

I don't think it's DV Shea? I feel like if we flip one of them and the game continues we'll probably be in a fairly good spot regardless

If it's GL / someone we're screwed but we would probably be screwed in any scum GL world

So it doesn't seem like worth extensively worrying about

I still think 6 scum is extremely unlikely balance wise but I suppose things which I think are very unbalanced have passed before

[Thestatusquo]

ok I know no one wants to talk about it but I'm gonna talk about it

Why didn't nero either cc kitty scratch or like shoot her

I think the enchant shot there is massively odd

I know he's not here to talk about it and that's frustrating and replacements suck as a mechanic but like. Does anyone have an explanation that makes sense

I tried to talk about this multiple times and got shouted at that the enchant shot was not odd at all.

[Thestatusquo]

Titus why is your only contribution to this game shouting out extremely unlikely scenarios with no rationale behind them at all?

Like I am sorry if you are having medical issues but even aside from that it seems to me like you've basically not played this game at all so why do we care about your random theory crafting about 6 scum?

What good could it possibly do town to focus on that? Even if we're in a world where there's two scum left how does that change how town approaches their play today?

[Thestatusquo]

On the other hand universal backup doesn't make a ton of sense in the setup without the two vigs? Maybe it does? Does universal backup copy masons? I assume so?

it does copy masons too, yeah

and i don't think gated serial killer makes any sense because that role would just be an incredible "fuck you" to whoever randed it (sk is already shit to play, imagine being gated)

the only way an sk makes sense (imho) is if the sk was shooting every night and doubled up on kills with scum at points

I guess I feel pretty strongly that town nero probably would have shot me instead of enchant if he wasn't going to shoot the claim?

I didn't think about this at all but I guess I kind of feel strongly that Nero's actions make NO sense as town.

[Ausuka]

ok I know no one wants to talk about it but I'm gonna talk about it

Why didn't nero either cc kitty scratch or like shoot her

I think the enchant shot there is massively odd

I know he's not here to talk about it and that's frustrating and replacements suck as a mechanic but like. Does anyone have an explanation that makes sense

I tried to talk about this multiple times and got shouted at that the enchant shot was not odd at all.

I don't remember doing this?

[Ausuka]

nevermind I can't read

I don't think town nero shooting enchant over you is like, that strange in isolation (although now I'm thinking about it enchant was) but I find not shooting kitty or counterclaiming at all to be very strange

That said at this point I'm just like, if we lose to sk titus, wow we lost to the sneaky sk, great, amazing, can we stop putting SKs in games thanks

[Ausuka]

I will be excessively salty about the time I wasted but at least it will give me a chance to soapbox about serial killers being unfun

[Titus]

Titus why is your only contribution to this game shouting out extremely unlikely scenarios with no rationale behind them at all?

Like I am sorry if you are having medical issues but even aside from that it seems to me like you've basically not played this game at all so why do we care about your random theory crafting about 6 scum?

What good could it possibly do town to focus on that? Even if we're in a world where there's two scum left how does that change how town approaches their play today?

I shot scum and saved the entire thread from wasting days in delusion. Hardly nothing.

When you rule out the impossible, then whatever's left must be possible.

[Titus]

Also, you directly rushed Ausuka to hammer when she volunteered to color VCs for me. So forgive me if I feel your comments now are disingenuous.

[DeasVail]

And last I don’t think it would be that hard for Titus to look town here if they wanted to?

I am having a hopefully brief medical issue. I have to prioritize work first.

Apologies, what I meant was that if you were scum, you would probably be able to look more town than you have looked, so I didn't think that was necessarily alignment-relevant.