Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[Herta]

In post 651, Herta wrote:
He does, however, know how to use that as a scum tool -- I have seen him explicitly state it in scum PTs.

That's the sort of thing I was looking for, and if you have a specific game in mind I would be grateful.

Nevermind, I found it. Would still like clarification as to what you think I am right about though? You think gera is LHF and regret the vote there?

No I think geraintm is solidly null at this point. I think your point it could be a rope a dope strat or not is valid. But as I type that it seems you're not really committing so I don't know.

[innocentvillager]

Scum team is geraint KittyTacky and skitter30

Good night

[innocentvillager]

If any of those are wrong Scoliosis or Pooky are scum probs

[unwnd]

I'm willing to take a chance on your reads IV

VOTE: Geraintm

[KittyTacky]

Giving him any sort of attention is unwise

I'm fine with relegating him to a hypothetical investigation. He's just going to continue to be uncharitable and mostly flippant in reads. It's not worth dealing with and I empathize with pooky 100%

Nah it's scum behavior, yeet him today.

[unwnd]

I will forever be at 'if he dies I won't be crying'

I just do think there is scummy behavior more than him

[KittyTacky]

That's just Flavor Leaf in his natural smarmy habitat

The weird part is that I don't remember FL being this r/iamverysmart-core.

[KittyTacky]

Is ger really just a null slot? he’s totally capable of doing shit as town and here he’s don’t really contributing much/driving his own opinions, just kind of lurking existing

that random wall post kind of just felt like out of the blue randomly prompted to provide content for the same of it, probably from his teammates or self consciousness or smthng

Geraintm thinks day 1 is useless and just sits around like a lemon for the entirety of it, every game without fault. A playstyle quirk.

[KittyTacky]

BTW is anyone town reading freedom?

Me, on vibes mostly.

[unwnd]

I really should be voting Herta but my stupid ass is unhappy with some of the voters so I'm just kinda meh about it

[KittyTacky]

Scum team is geraint KittyTacky and skitter30

Good night

I'm town.

[Freedom]

but like if you don't agree with that there are also other issues you haven't really addressed

like I feel your summation of herta's scum meta matches perfectly with what they are doing here?

I'll read his scum game again I'm mostly just going off memory from when I played with him on his other account.

Me too.
From memory, as scum, he's pretty direct and openwolfy.
(This is based off a game where we both were on different accounts.)

[Datisi]

vote count 1.09

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-12-06 00:45:52).

yeet

Scoliosis [4]:

KittyTacky,

Toto

, Herta, Dannflor

geraintm [4]:

innocentvillager, Scoliosis, Freedom, unwnd

Herta [2]:

geraintm, skitter30

skitter30 [1]:

Val89

not voting [2]:

Ydrasse, PookyTheMagicalBear

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[geraintm]

[i have not been very engaged so far this game, can you tell?]

Yes, unfortunately, you can.

sorry, there was such a long gap since my last game ive got out of the flow of the site.
but, heck, it is day 1 - what else did you expect from me?

[geraintm]

VOTE: geraintm

I've decided I like my pookythebear/herta/geraintm solve the most, and I prefer this wagon because I feel reasonably confident geraintm is scum and it gives more time to figure out the other slots.

can you elaborate on how/why you are reasonably confident on geraintm

it is day 1, there is no way anyone can get a read on me, just isn't possible. and certainly at the point they claimed they were certain i was scum - i had what - 8 posts and halfof those were random votes stuff?

[geraintm]

A lot of vote timing arguments are arbitrary especially beefore flips

agree, and is usually more useful on who jumps off wagons or is trapped on them with no way off. and none of that is possible until day 2

[geraintm]

Well you're right re geraintm and it took me a minute to think about it and I voted him out of frustration more than anything.

Right about what part?

He does, however, know how to use that as a scum tool -- I have seen him explicitly state it in scum PTs.

That's the sort of thing I was looking for, and if you have a specific game in mind I would be grateful.

That said, even if there is a record of them basically saying "my scum plan is to post level 0 thoughts on the game and get written off as LHF town" and had success with that I'm still not sure I could be confident I could distinguish that for actual disengagement on what he have so far, and geraintm feels too much like a consensus null-to-leanscum read to be a useful flip either way. It may push me away from the slight townlean I am getting from 572, but wouldn't have me supporting a wagon there unless there is a night-and-day difference.

If this is their scum meta and there is a significant enough difference with their townplay to actually have a good chance of hitting scum there, then happy days, but I don't think there are many players who last very long with such a detectable difference and my opinion is that geraintm is a bad flip today.

i think this is the first time (i can recall) it has ever been brought against me that as scum i don't like engaging day 1 and let the game flow by.
it is just a shame that it exactly matches my "i don't want to engage day one as town because all reads are pointless". it is partly why i have gotten away with it for so long.

[geraintm]

also, i think i am a bad scum player - i get way too skittish and panicky as the game goes along and i think i am very easy to spot compared to being town. i don't think i am ever a good idea for an early kill, i think i am easily solvable as the game progresses.

[geraintm]

Is ger really just a null slot? he’s totally capable of doing shit as town and here he’s don’t really contributing much/driving his own opinions, just kind of lurking existing

that random wall post kind of just felt like out of the blue randomly prompted to provide content for the same of it, probably from his teammates or self consciousness or smthng

it was a "i am logging on at half 8 in the morning and have a night's worth of posts to catch up on and i'll do it all at once. pretty much like this series of posts. it is fairly standard for me to catch up like that. (it was just sad that 3 pages of it all was a waste). i am not doing naything different this game than in others.

[geraintm]

Is ger really just a null slot? he’s totally capable of doing shit as town and here he’s don’t really contributing much/driving his own opinions, just kind of lurking existing

that random wall post kind of just felt like out of the blue randomly prompted to provide content for the same of it, probably from his teammates or self consciousness or smthng

yeah that's a fair scum read

I'd kill it

naughty point for Dannflor. swayed by a post from Innocent Villager to scum read me when the arguments made are not correct.
[naughty points for Dannflor, SKitter, Unwnd and Scolosis]

[geraintm]

It would help if people not voting start voting someone, we need more drama to sort this out.

OK.
VOTE: gera

this is fun

[geraintm]

VOTE: geraintm

I've decided I like my pookythebear/herta/geraintm solve the most, and I prefer this wagon because I feel reasonably confident geraintm is scum and it gives more time to figure out the other slots.

can you elaborate on how/why you are reasonably confident on geraintm

Yes, after I posted 515, which explains where I first started to ruminate that geraintm might be scum, geraintm posted 572 which is exactly the kind of post I expected scum to make from his position. Even without already having built a cogent world view containing scum geraintm, I would have scumread him or anyone else for posting 572. I think there is a self-defeating aspect to geraintm's play where he truly doesn't wish to have to play the game (because he rolled scum), and if he must play it, then he prefers to do as little as possible. Ironically, this is not unlike the play of our ic, Toto.

people can wring an ocean from a sponge sometimes. me catching up in the morning is scummy? despite it being the exact same sort of post i do in every game. sometimes they are all in one post, sometimes i split them up.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89907&user_select[]=2369

if you go there for example, my post 79 is at 8:35 am
then 80 at 9:01am
81 and 9:03am
82 at 9:06am
83 at 9:07am

compared to post 572 in this game which was at 9:52am which was only 1 post but quoted 5 different posts.

anyone using my post 572 as somehow something scum me would do....well it is exactly what i do in all my other games.

[geraintm]

I'm willing to take a chance on your reads IV

VOTE: Geraintm

naughty point number 2 for you

[naughty points for Dannflor (2), SKitter, Unwnd and Scolosis]

[Ydrasse]

gera can u organize your reads maybe or like

idk

i’m reading your posts here and it doesn’t feel like they say a lot even when ur giving reads i don’t really get what you think of the game? like you have these little evil points but it feels ... detached i guess because your main focus is like the posting thing or it feels like that in ur posts

it’s the thing i usually vote for but i feel weird about the wagon makeups right now and i don’t really get why so i’m ?? at this game

[geraintm]

gera can u organize your reads maybe or like

idk

i’m reading your posts here and it doesn’t feel like they say a lot even when ur giving reads i don’t really get what you think of the game? like you have these little evil points but it feels ... detached i guess because your main focus is like the posting thing or it feels like that in ur posts

it’s the thing i usually vote for but i feel weird about the wagon makeups right now and i don’t really get why so i’m ?? at this game

i don't have a reads list.
i will just make snide comments day 1 and call out things i don't like. i responded this morning to how people perceive my posts because there are very few facts i know in this game, but me being green is one of them so i can answer back to people doubting that (as best i can)