OPEN 868 - Nobility and the Dark Angel | Endgame

[Herta]

I don't know why I unvoted.

VOTE: Meg[/meg]

[Herta]

lol

VOTE: Meg

[Marashu]

UNVOTE:

What happens if tie nobility vote.

Elimination resolves first, then the player with the largest number of votes by plurality will be the noble. In the case of a tie, the player who reached that number of votes first will be the noble.

[MegAzumarill]

I'm kind of disappointed I don't really have much to do here.
Killing/Nobling between me and herta means finding mafia is kinda pointless for me today
Am wondering something

@MOD
Is the scum nightkill mandatory?

Gotta do stuff, I'll check back later

Because a win condition is reliant on being killed, all eliminations and night kills are mandatory.

Does this remain true after the player with that elimination is dead?

[MathBlade]

I think Nancy this is one of those times where we don’t wanna brain meat too much.

With flipping one and elimming the other we should at least be insured scum don’t get a day vig.

At worst we have 2 scum elo. At best we win. We can see who scum kill.

With how many miselims there have been seeing who scum kill if we don’t just win outright is the best.

I believe you are the hidden noble Nancy.

I think we learn from who scum kills overnight if it happens.

[Polar Bear Express]

I think Nancy this is one of those times where we don’t wanna brain meat too much.

With flipping one and elimming the other we should at least be insured scum don’t get a day vig.

At worst we have 2 scum elo. At best we win. We can see who scum kill.

With how many miselims there have been seeing who scum kill if we don’t just win outright is the best.

I believe you are the hidden noble Nancy.

I think we learn from who scum kills overnight if it happens.

I agree and I also think if Eira was lying about being HN, NM would probably be pushing him for lying. So yeah, we absolutely need to heal one of them and kill the other.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

UNVOTE:

What happens if tie nobility vote.

You already know. Math and I get 2 votes each.

I would say that if any wagon gets to 3 and Math and me ecide we should hammer it, then Math should let me vite since it’s the only way I can be officially confirmed. So I would suggest that Math only votes after I do since his vote will show up regardless of where his vote is but I need to be on majority wagon for mine. I know Math believes me but it would be nice to be able to officially confirm myself if possible.

At any rate I will decide with Math what is probably best.

~N

[MegAzumarill]

Alright so I've caught up

Initial thoughts are that it feels like PBE/ Eirolox contains 1 scum, and the rest contains the other. The slot's have some good, some bad moments but mostly feel somewhat evasive and defensive at points (day 3). I also think considering a PBE HN, the NK tonight makes little sense.

Some of the interactions between the two feel natural which of course "can" be faked but feels unlikely. So probably only one of the two.

Tapioca/Mathblade feels like they could be the partner, but I feel like math/PBE handle this phase differently than they have as a scumteam with 4 votes. Considering they could have ended the day already provided the votes on me AND they would be reading me as DA if they were scum] (because they are pushing the opposite) this combination feels impossible as those would be incompatible.

Other options for the partner include

Not_Mafia - Token here for difficulty reading yada yada and so on. My default choice when I can't find a partner that'd make sense if they are in the game. Unlikely with Eira compared to PBE, due to HN thing, PBE maybe but this feels more town N_M than scum N_M for all that feels are worth.

I believe Enchant is town, in my experience with him he is more reserved in his scum game and this doesn't feel or look like it.

Scum almost certainly will push on the same side of me/Herta as DA today (whichever they think isn't the DA, they do the opposite. If they think DA isn't being nobled they mmay split, so depends I suppose on how close it ends up being.)

This derives my following solves (in order of probability) of
(PBE, N_M) (Mathblade, Eira) (PBE, Eira)

Eira is a bit townier than PBE in my eyes because of a particular post about my slot/ PBE that while false was fairly in line with my thinking reading through about how it was strange.


In either case Herta is DA. I could case reasons why but I don't really wanna so I'm not gonna unless push comes to shove.

[MegAzumarill]

Alright I now can sleep

[MegAzumarill]

Also I will give fair warning I will selfhammer if it would leave Herta as noble. I will not self vote without hammer given that scum could change plurality to another player and win. (Especially since my vote is the only one that would be counted for herta)



Should be a given but wanted to mention

[Polar Bear Express]

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

[Polar Bear Express]

I’m currently leaning to Herta as DA but I think Math’s suggestion that we leal one and lim the other is best because we really can’t be sure and if we get it wrong, then scum gets a free daykill tomorrow, so rn leaning to healing Herta and limming you and if you’re telling the truth about not being DA and are town, you should definitely be onboard with that since we autowin in that case.

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

Seriously Noraa?

Talk to me in discord because I totally don’t get it.

~N

[Eiralox]

HEAL: Herta

for now. i'll try to wrap my brain around this whenever. i'm a bit lost tbh, think i need to go thru herta/MegAzu isos at some point.

[Eiralox]

my main concern keeps being why scum would put themselves in this situation. i still don't understand the toto kill.

[MathBlade]

I’m currently leaning to Herta as DA but I think Math’s suggestion that we leal one and lim the other is best because we really can’t be sure and if we get it wrong, then scum gets a free daykill tomorrow, so rn leaning to healing Herta and limming you and if you’re telling the truth about not being DA and are town, you should definitely be onboard with that since we autowin in that case.

~Nancy

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

Seriously Noraa?

Talk to me in discord because I totally don’t get it.

~N

Please do. Noraa I don’t think has TR’d me in a looooooong time.

I think that if Noraa does scumread me the best place to sort that out is tomorrow.

[MegAzumarill]

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

Who would you say is the partner?

[Polar Bear Express]

I’m currently leaning to Herta as DA but I think Math’s suggestion that we leal one and lim the other is best because we really can’t be sure and if we get it wrong, then scum gets a free daykill tomorrow, so rn leaning to healing Herta and limming you and if you’re telling the truth about not being DA and are town, you should definitely be onboard with that since we autowin in that case.

~Nancy

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

Seriously Noraa?

Talk to me in discord because I totally don’t get it.

~N

Please do. Noraa I don’t think has TR’d me in a looooooong time.

I think that if Noraa does scumread me the best place to sort that out is tomorrow.

Math, Noraa thinks you’re both being too nice and too “wishy washy” to quote her. I still think you’re town for your stances which read protown to me but you are not usually this nice to me in any game ever where you know my main. So maybe explain that part and I can dispense with any paranoia on your slot.

[Polar Bear Express]

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

Who would you say is the partner?

I’ll ask her, she didn’t say.

~Nancy

[Polar Bear Express]

Oh nm, Noraa’s now saying she might have been hyperfocused on you Math.

[MegAzumarill]

my main concern keeps being why scum would put themselves in this situation. i still don't understand the toto kill.

My guess is they were either shooting for the DA, between the Toto/PBE 1v1 OR PBE is scum and wanted Toto silenced after their back and forth.

Page 18 is roughly where the 1v1 started AFAICT
I don't see a resolution that would leave scum!PBE comfortable with Toto alive

Of course NKA is a very powerful and reliable tool though /S

[MathBlade]

I’m currently leaning to Herta as DA but I think Math’s suggestion that we leal one and lim the other is best because we really can’t be sure and if we get it wrong, then scum gets a free daykill tomorrow, so rn leaning to healing Herta and limming you and if you’re telling the truth about not being DA and are town, you should definitely be onboard with that since we autowin in that case.

~Nancy

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

Seriously Noraa?

Talk to me in discord because I totally don’t get it.

~N

Please do. Noraa I don’t think has TR’d me in a looooooong time.

I think that if Noraa does scumread me the best place to sort that out is tomorrow.

Math, Noraa thinks you’re both being too nice and too “wishy washy” to quote her. I still think you’re town for your stances which read protown to me but you are not usually this nice to me in any game ever where you know my main. So maybe explain that part and I can dispense with any paranoia on your slot.

I pretty much said everyone’s opinions don’t matter except on DA. I wouldn’t call that nice. I gave an opinion Herta DA gun to my head and Meg is scum trying to sound like a defeated DA. If Noraa scumreads me tomorrow let’s sort it out then.

I haven’t been wishy washy, but I have been lazy and noncommital because either A) we win or B) tomorrow is elo with less slots to sort or C) we lose.

I then can focus narrowly on what matters. Who we elim and who we noble

[MegAzumarill]

I’m currently leaning to Herta as DA but I think Math’s suggestion that we leal one and lim the other is best because we really can’t be sure and if we get it wrong, then scum gets a free daykill tomorrow, so rn leaning to healing Herta and limming you and if you’re telling the truth about not being DA and are town, you should definitely be onboard with that since we autowin in that case.

~Nancy

I am nowhere near caught up but I hard scumread Mathblade here. like HARD scumread.

-A

Seriously Noraa?

Talk to me in discord because I totally don’t get it.

~N

Please do. Noraa I don’t think has TR’d me in a looooooong time.

I think that if Noraa does scumread me the best place to sort that out is tomorrow.

Math, Noraa thinks you’re both being too nice and too “wishy washy” to quote her. I still think you’re town for your stances which read protown to me but you are not usually this nice to me in any game ever where you know my main. So maybe explain that part and I can dispense with any paranoia on your slot.

I pretty much said everyone’s opinions don’t matter except on DA. I wouldn’t call that nice. I gave an opinion Herta DA gun to my head and Meg is scum trying to sound like a defeated DA. If Noraa scumreads me tomorrow let’s sort it out then.

I haven’t been wishy washy, but I have been lazy and noncommital because either A) we win or B) tomorrow is elo with less slots to sort or C) we lose.

I then can focus narrowly on what matters. Who we elim and who we noble

What about me reads as defeated DA? If I'm DA am I not about to win?
Wouldn't Scum!Me project this rather than "defeated"

[MegAzumarill]

Trying to get in your head here since that doesn't really make sense to me

[MathBlade]

Trying to get in your head here since that doesn't really make sense to me

A lot of your posts are kinda negative let me get a sample