Open 869 | Fight for the Winter Court [Game Over!]

[MathBlade]

To be clear, I have it mechanically confirmed that one of the slots (absinthe) is scum. That makes my perspective on this different and narrower than most others.

Okay so you’re halfway there.

Then if you think it’s an absinthe scum skitter town world. Then the swap is alignment indicative. Meaning scum had to balance the games right?

See 1886 and 1887.

Why do you answer a yes or no with a wordy explanation?

Scum would have to balance the games right?

[Coral]

Scum have to make the games 1-1-1, yes.

[Isis]

You can't determine whether the gate-keep swap was t-t or s-t until after you resolve both minigames.

This makes me want to say "play normally instead" but individual minigames don't have informed minorities.

The whole game has informed minorities though, so whether people are egging eachother on into lims or mislims is readable.

[MathBlade]

Scum have to make the games 1-1-1, yes.

They would do this based upon the information in game yeah?

Then why ignore what seems to be fundamental?

It doesn’t jive.

[Isis]

If absinthe flips mafia it could mean that she had to be added to gate so that gate would have a mafia.
However it could also mean that gate and keep started with one mafia and absinthe was swapped with a scum!skitter for fun.
There's no information there.

[MathBlade]

If absinthe flips mafia it could mean that she had to be added to gate so that gate would have a mafia.
However it could also mean that gate and keep started with one mafia and absinthe was swapped with a scum!skitter for fun.
There's no information there.

There is though.

Knowing one of absinthe or coral is mafia drastically reduces the amount of worlds.

It means we know either a relatively active player was in there (Coral)
Or a relatively inactive one (absinthe).

If you want to argue scum made a decision independent of game events that strongly points towards absinthe scum over Coral.

Is it guaranteed? No. But it’s a good indicator. Then look and see if that indicator matches. If not then scum!Coral faking an absinthe becomes likely but not without evidence.

Town goes for probable. Scum goes for possible.

[Coral]

Scum have to make the games 1-1-1, yes.

They would do this based upon the information in game yeah?

Then why ignore what seems to be fundamental?

It doesn’t jive.

They would do this based on what would help them most as a team given the constraints of the game, yes. I went over what I think the possible situations are and what the scumteam's possible motivations would be. I'm not ignoring the swap, it is a very important factor in the game. It feels to me like I'm saying "there's nuance here and it's difficult to have a decisive answer, but it's worth considering the possibilities" and you're responding with "you're ignoring it".

[MathBlade]

If you can figure out the why you can figure out the who is how I like to play.

[skitter30]

We don't know the motivations for why scum made this swap
Using this as a pillar to solve anuthing else seems foolhardy to me

[Coral]

Also, absinthe was similarly active to me on day 1. I've been significantly more active on day 2. So I don't think that was a factor on the swap.

[MathBlade]

Scum have to make the games 1-1-1, yes.

They would do this based upon the information in game yeah?

Then why ignore what seems to be fundamental?

It doesn’t jive.

They would do this based on what would help them most as a team given the constraints of the game, yes. I went over what I think the possible situations are and what the scumteam's possible motivations would be. I'm not ignoring the swap, it is a very important factor in the game. It feels to me like I'm saying "there's nuance here and it's difficult to have a decisive answer, but it's worth considering the possibilities" and you're responding with "you're ignoring it".

Everything in every game has nuance.

You’re doing what you accused me of before. I listed possibilities from my perspective to help me catch up.

Here you just listed possibilities.

How is that not ignoring and not taking a stance?

[Coral]

If you can figure out the why you can figure out the who is how I like to play.

And I've said that you're welcome to try.

[MathBlade]

And that’s what I am doing.

[Coral]

I never accused you of listing possibilities, I said you skipped and discounted possibilities based on little support.

I have taken a stance. I said which one I thought was more likely and why.

[MathBlade]

I am going to step away before I get really frustrated here but both Coral and to a lesser extent Skitter feel like they are doing word vomit for the sake of it. I don’t think they’re both scum which is puzzling though

[Coral]

If me trying to work with you and talk things through with you is frustrating for you I am happy to stop trying to do so.

[skitter30]

Well i now think it's math-scum so

[Tempest]

I’m bummed about the replace outs

I wanted to ask prism why they seemed that it would be likely for me to be ic’d. There were a few times that prism said something along the lines of it being nice to have a Tammy-clear and iirc it was brought up when there was a decent amount of suspicion on me. Might be nothing, but I remember thinking it was unlikely and it was something I’d made a note about to ask.

I skimmed through yesterday here and there but mostly just to keep somewhat current. I need to work on a reread and actually read everything from yesterday. Probably won’t get that all done tonight. I have some things to finish up with today before I have some free time to get back involved.

[MathBlade]

I’m bummed about the replace outs

I wanted to ask prism why they seemed that it would be likely for me to be ic’d. There were a few times that prism said something along the lines of it being nice to have a Tammy-clear and iirc it was brought up when there was a decent amount of suspicion on me. Might be nothing, but I remember thinking it was unlikely and it was something I’d made a note about to ask.

I skimmed through yesterday here and there but mostly just to keep somewhat current. I need to work on a reread and actually read everything from yesterday. Probably won’t get that all done tonight. I have some things to finish up with today before I have some free time to get back involved.

Oh you’re Tammy? I thought Coral sounded like Tammy.

[Tempest]

But hi mathblade and herta!

Also mathblade I’m not unknown for the most part, I’m Tammy.

[Tempest]

Maybe that’s why I like coral :p

[MathBlade]

Clearly. /sarcasm

Just their strategic opening read so much like you in prior games and I haven’t gotten to where you are yet lol.

So we have a Tammy and a non Tammy Tammy which is weird.

[Chara]

hello replacements. i'm trying to figure out what i want to do, with demona gone too i should be focusing on Isis, but i am still feeling pretty low about it all. absinthe is also a point of interest but is V/LA.

i think i'll give it another day, sorry.
skitter do you think Math scum because of Math's posting or because of your earlier read on Prism?

[skitter30]

I had some niggling doubts abt prism, but not to the point where i would have been willing to act on them

I'm am honestly doubting if math is acting in good faith here and i'm questioning the read a lot

[Coral]

I feel like Math is very likely to be town. I think he has a certain energy where he feels like everyone is against him and I think that is much more likely to come from him as town replacing in. I don't think he gets much out of being abrasive as scum here, and I think he's probably capable of taking a different approach if he thought that would benefit him more.