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It's hard for me to force my brain to assess that preflip though because it's a bit of stretch even to ask it to see catboi town. The playstyle shifts from relaxed passive observer, to openly having no scumreads, to very aggressively having one scumread and wanting to end the minigame soon, to cooperatively taking his time and dragging things out, just don't feel like a natural town approach to me at all.-
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Same goes for being completely uninterested in playing the minigame in the way that should be optimal from his town perspective. Accepting being the voter (while originally saying he wanted to vote in a day or so, and then not doing so for a week) seems more likely to come from scum being performative.
The complete lack of support for his Faker scumread (and aggressive unwillingness to support it) also makes it seem like that was a read that came out of necessity of feeling he needed to push back with equal aggression than it did out of a natural read.
All of this might not matter much if he does actually follow through on voting soon, but I want it said in case Gate resolves first and then he ends up delaying further.-
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Lurking it out for a night is looking more attractive than ever, but I promised content some hours ago. Clearly I wasn't thinking straight
If I had to guess I'd say that catboi is the scum in the Keep? I'm going to double down on town!Math, I've just taken another look at his interaction with skitter and I don't see it as scummy. He just seems convinced of his idea, which is to insist he'll vote for himself. I don't get the sense he is trying to be misleading.
Huh, I thought catboi said something similar about Math at some point, but I wasn't able to find the post again.In post 2134, skitter30 wrote:You're making a lot of vague statements abt rhe gamestate with little conclusion and i don't feel like you're trying to solve or sort our minigame tbh
I don't feel like this accusation takes into account Math's stated approach. If Math is Town then his approach here is: 1. vote for himself, 2. never vote for anyone else, 3. hope someone else votes him. In this case, he's not trying to solve the minigame the Keep because that's not required by his approach.
It's also interesting to me that Math goes through this (rough) progression:
A) wanting to vote for himself because he doesn't feel he can solve the Keep and/or it's optimal play from his POV,
B) saying he can be more useful trying to solve other games
C) saying the Keep is out of his control because he may not get voted
Admittedly, I found the shift between A-B-C a bit disorienting while I was catching up, and sometimes I worried that the shift made Math scum. But if you read the points, they're actually not strictly in contradiction with one another? I guess there's some tension between A and C, but the shift to C is recent, and is consistent with my theory that Town!Math tried to engage with skitter but felt he wasn't getting anywhere.
Speaking of Town, I'm also going to double down on Town!Coral.
Still no read on Isis or Chara, sorry, that ain't happening tonight.-
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Although this seems to gloss over the possibility of catboi being Town. If catboi is Town then he's not inclined to vote you, so I don't actually completely understand the approach hereIn post 2263, MathBlade wrote:
Pretty much this.In post 2261, Coral wrote:In either a town or scum Math world, catboi following through and voting skitter (when skitter is here and active and able to self-hammer) is probably a loss. He's not doing much to prevent that from happening but I guess there isn't much he can do at this point.
If catboi is scum, the vote would be placed in the hopes that Math recognizes this and panics and votes catboi, thinking that catboi is town for being the one to vote.
If Skitter is town like you said she likely doesn’t vote me no matter what I do.
If Catboi is town votes me then we win.
If Skitter is scum she never votes me anyway.
Like the game is outside of my control so I would prefer to solve in the last game of Chara and Aria.
I don’t feel Isis scum makes these strategic plays
I know you said a ton of wordy words in response and I haven’t read it
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And oh, if skitter has V/LA from tomorrow then it does seem like a good idea to resolve before the V/LA. I guess there's a world where skitter is the scum where what matters is getting one of Math and catboi to find the other, but I have no clue for how one would begin to do that sooIn post 2264, Coral wrote:Whether Keep or Gate is resolving first, my opinion is that it makes sense for Keep to have a hard deadline of resolving before skitter's v/la begins tomorrow, especially if she is the one who is being voted. I think having one member of the minigame absent from thread for a long period of time can create some tricky potential scenarios that are probably best avoided.
And waiting until after seems like too long, because if the game isn't over after Keep and Gate, there's a lot to reassess and dig through for the remaining town in the Wall + Tempest-
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from my pov, if catboi actually votes me, that confs math as scum
in that universe, i feel p good calling coral town: in that big writeup she did assessing the faker/absinthe associatives, she came out with the conclusion that the two of them did not look aligned.
if faker is scum here, that's a wild conclusion from scum-her pov since mechanically she needs to argue that ffery is scum, and that post kinda ruins that argument if math-scum flips first. this looks very uninformed to me
at the wall honestly i don't know, i'm leaning towards scum-isis but can't really substantiate that fully, i'm hoping that the game just is over before then
scum-math making that post about how weird it is that nobody is commenting on his read of chara and then making that ~thing~ of it is quite weird if he's scum wiht it, so that looks unaligned to me as wellShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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we should probably resolve keep before tom afternoon, yeah tbhShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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i want to try to squeeze in prism/math associatives with isis and demona-slot tonight but realistically i'm not sure i have time for that - the above reads is where i'm at rnShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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there's like no meaningful faker -> isis associatives
i'm not sure what to make of thatShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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Is that a question or?ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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on review of when demona took wall, i don't think prism look so aligned with her - it iddn't seem like she expected demona to go there just then
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'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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Yeah this is problematic.In post 2276, Coral wrote:Same goes for being completely uninterested in playing the minigame in the way that should be optimal from his town perspective. Accepting being the voter (while originally saying he wanted to vote in a day or so, and then not doing so for a week) seems more likely to come from scum being performative.
The complete lack of support for his Faker scumread (and aggressive unwillingness to support it) also makes it seem like that was a read that came out of necessity of feeling he needed to push back with equal aggression than it did out of a natural read.
All of this might not matter much if he does actually follow through on voting soon, but I want it said in case Gate resolves first and then he ends up delaying further.-
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yes there's no other reason i would delay voting, nothing at all that caused an interruption to my gameIn post 2276, Coral wrote:Same goes for being completely uninterested in playing the minigame in the way that should be optimal from his town perspective. Accepting being the voter (while originally saying he wanted to vote in a day or so, and then not doing so for a week) seems more likely to come from scum being performative.
The complete lack of support for his Faker scumread (and aggressive unwillingness to support it) also makes it seem like that was a read that came out of necessity of feeling he needed to push back with equal aggression than it did out of a natural read.
All of this might not matter much if he does actually follow through on voting soon, but I want it said in case Gate resolves first and then he ends up delaying further.-
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anyway, I'm sorry if this is wrong. My passion for this game is dead. I can't dig into things the way I used to be able to. Playing as town is completely unenjoyable. The thought of attempting to reread this game is too painful for me to do so. I leave behind no conclusive statement on the Wall except an advisory that I think Chara is town, you can see somewhere in my ISO that I made a post with postnum links as to why I think so.
VOTE: skitter
Sorry for how this game went, I didn't want to play mafia. I got dragged in by a friend who I'm not sure is a friend anymore because of my actions this game. Hopefully one day I'll regain my spark for this game. If anyone wants to talk outside the game I have a Discord in my profile.-
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<3 catboi
is anything else needed from me before i hammer this?ShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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Nah good luck y’all. I really hope one day you’ll both be able to read me.
I think I gave my reads.
I don’t think skitter scum will clarify as she’s on a gloat pass.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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catboi Jack of All Trades
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i mean why is that your assumption rather than me being scum giving upIn post 2293, MathBlade wrote:Nah good luck y’all. I really hope one day you’ll both be able to read me.
I think I gave my reads.
I don’t think skitter scum will clarify as she’s on a gloat pass.-
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Because scum you doesn’t have to post.In post 2294, catboi wrote:
i mean why is that your assumption rather than me being scum giving upIn post 2293, MathBlade wrote:Nah good luck y’all. I really hope one day you’ll both be able to read me.
I think I gave my reads.
I don’t think skitter scum will clarify as she’s on a gloat pass.
But quite honestly I am just drained.ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841
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yes but it doesn't really matter at this point
i would do ffery-gate next
and if that doesn't win
well, g'luck to those in wallShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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i'm gonna just wait a bit to make sure nobody needs anything else from the three of us before hammering, but will hammer before i go to sleepShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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Genuinely, I'm sorry if anything I said was hurtful or insensitive. I hate to upset anyone and that isn't my intent. I'm just trying to solve the game. I hope that I was wrong.In post 2289, catboi wrote:just completely fucking insufferable-
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