Micro 1067: Is There a Doctor in the House? - Game over!
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They flip as Nurse regardless so if they get NKed, we woukd know.In post 347, Enchant wrote:Nurse should claim d1 imo
Otherwise shitshow of "OUR NURSE DIED N1 PROBABLY AND MAFIA FAKECLAIM IT" issue
Nurse BECOMES Doctor. And FLIPS as one.-
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is this not a scumslip lollllll i told yallIn post 338, Freedom wrote:Unless we massclaim, which I don't think we should.
abnegation pov slipped and freedom scumslipped twice now lol-
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In post 345, Vanderscamp wrote:
I don't agree with this read at all.In post 240, GrandpaMo wrote:
ok so this is the pov slip i was talking about that abnegation did. i feel like only mafia would have the perspective of 4 being dead because they thought about the mafia killing. notice how they say "weak doc > mafia goon > nurse > mafia goon" just feels like TMI .In post 132, Alianna wrote:
technically there can be 4 town deaths if the quack doc kills, the cpr doc kills, the mafia kills, and the weak doc tries to save the maf.In post 130, GrandpaMo wrote:its also interesting that micro 916 - viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81889
they played circular targeting they were able to solve from that.
it looks like if we condemn town today > 0-2 town die at night (mafia rarely dies)
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out
2 at night if doc kills / mafia kills
3 at night if all role actions are played out independently (this is rare, i dont think it has happened in a game yet)
if we condemn mafia > 0 or 1 town die at night.
0 at night if mafia nks (this is also rare)
0 at night if mafia is rbed
0 at night if doc cancel out
1 at night if doc kills
1 at night if doc cancel out
i think these are all the possible situations. if anyone can think of anything else feel free to add
an order like quack doc -> cpr doc -> jk -> vanilla doc -> naive doc -> weak doc -> mafia goon -> nurse -> mafia goon -> could cause this to happen.
I think your recent posts are very town though
sorry this is not what i mean -- i will explain once i get back giv me a secIn post 346, Elements wrote:I agree. Wh0 doesn;t think about the mafia kill when playing mafia?-
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ur so confusing -- it looks like u keep flipflopping if u know that we are all docs or notIn post 343, Freedom wrote:You're misinterpreting me.
I meant that Doctor would be a safer fakeclaim then Nurse because we're all Doctors.-
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Maths Behind 2 Groups!
Group 1: A, b, c, d -> E
Group 2: E, f, g, h -> A
(all this is the same if you replace A with E)
Spoiler: NAR and CPR
Mafia kill does not target A
In order for A to die, one of group 1 must be the JK.
Therefore 3 roles will be told to target A.
35 combinations to target A.
Spoiler: Maths
The second condition required for A to die is for the Quack or CPR to kill them.
Case without CPR
Without CPR the only way for A to die is by Quack killing them.
This happens is Quack is in Group 2 and is not Jail-kept.
There is a 3/10 chance for the Quack to kill this way.
Spoiler: Maths
Case without Quack
Without the Quack, the CPR will act like a Quack so the above maths can be used.
3/10 chance of death.
Case with CPR and Quack
If the Quack were to kill the CPR will save the target so only the CPR can kill.
There is a 2/5 chance of death.
Spoiler: Maths
Overall
8/35 chance of killing the target.
Mafia kill does target A
We have 35 combinations of roles as before.
For A to die there must be more kills than heals on them.
Case with Quack but without CPR
There will be 2 kill instances on A.
A will only live if there are 2 heal instances.
There is only 1/10 chance of there being 2 heal instances.
There is a 9/10 chance of death.
(See Mafia kill doesn't target A subsection Case without CPR for maths)
Case with CPR but without Quack
Due to the additional kill on A, CPR doesn't act quite the same as before.
6/10 chance of death
Spoiler: Maths
Case with Quack and CPR
In this scenario there are always 2 kill instances on A so the CPR will always act to heal.
3/5 chance of death.
Spoiler: Maths
Case without Quack or CPR
There is 1 kill instance in this scenario.
6/10 chance of death
Spoiler: Maths
Overall
24/35 chance of death
Conclusion
If we co-ordinate our kills in the two group cross targeting system one of the targets will survive and the other probably will unless the mafia choose to kill them. The mafia don't know which group is targeted by the JK so choosing to kill one of the targets is risky for them. If both mafia are in the same group that might make them choose to kill their target as it's less likely for them to have the JK in their group but I personally wouldn't. The chance of both mafia being in the same group is 3/7 so it's not too unlikely.
Spoiler: Maths
Having done all this I think the two groups option works well to keep people alive but doesn't give us that much information on anyone's roles if that's what we're going for.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Having done all this I think the two groups option works well to keep people alive but doesn't give us that much information on anyone's roles if that's what we're going for.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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nah, I just did some mathsIn post 363, Gimli wrote:I don't deserve to be in the same town as elements
you totally deserve to be here <3I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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cute <3In post 364, Elements wrote:
nah, I just did some mathsIn post 363, Gimli wrote:I don't deserve to be in the same town as elements
you totally deserve to be here <3
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pffft, wish I knew
I've done more mech spec than scum hunting so far so I think we should try that for a few das seeing as we have 7 leftI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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In post 368, Enchant wrote:Someone has too much freetimeI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Sorry not enough time or energy for this yet (about the mech stuff), I am fine doing what you guys agree on if it comes to that
As for reads, I thought about it and maybe Enchant is town for wanting to try targetting someone on their own early, it can e a prerogative to dismiss mech but it's probably town excited for potentially being a vig? Vigging is exciting after all.
Grandpa feels more likely town than not by saying stuff like "I already know the Nurse" on a setup where the Nurse may end up claiming anyway (otherwise it could be rolefishing). Not too sure about grandpa but I don't feel very good about anyone else so I'm gonna like his slot for now.
Elements mech solving is interesting, don't know what to think of that, did you ever do it before Elements? On what game?
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yes we conf them because they claimed my role lelelellelelelelelelellelelelelelel u suc mafiaIn post 362, Gimli wrote:do we conftown elements-
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pls get this out alreayd
ik i already voted freedom
but here
im like 100% on this being mafia . there is like no way. is it too scum to be scum?? are yallseeing something im not seeing?
VOTE: freedom-
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im sorry but this feels like a useless question to ask because first, cant u just look up their metaIn post 371, Tabibitos wrote:Elements mech solving is interesting, don't know what to think of that, did you ever do it before Elements? On what game?
and 2nd u act like ur gonna follow up with elements because u have been gone for most the game and i missed u and like ugh idk what i do without u
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