Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[Firebringer]

i thought u weren't tinfoiling math and then u put them in the scum pool

[Firebringer]

hey skitter

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I don't honestly know how even 3570 could be alignment indicative to begin with.
unless ur going with the tone or aggressiveness being scummy in itself in which case i go.....when do i as scum play in aggressive manner to get my point accross I guess?

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Why you all have urge to come in here and state the obvious that KT is town
This was never in doubt.
Is someone hoping to blend in by giving the non take that KT is town?
No one is pushing KT. Y’all being clowns if ur town doing this

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its definitely useless in the way majority of u did it. It feels fake from someone acting like "ohh yeah KT def town. I agree heres why i agree". Which i guess is mostly at ydra here because im like "why do u feel need to say this when u can just say 'yeah i agree with others that KT is town'"

Its like over justifying it.

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i mean i don't think anyone should take ur solves seriously so....if someone is doing it because of you.
That is more alarming than anything to me.

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because ur solving using setup spec.
Thats why i say ur solves shouldn't be taken seriously.

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Theres no convincing u are wrong as long as u stick to this mindset that the game has to be setup in X way.
As long as you stay in that mindset, and you will because thats how ur brain works.
This is how you will see the game and will move in that way.

Therefore anyone trying to convince u, is wasting their time and effort. So if anyone is trying to argue KT is town by play should realize that if they are doing so to convince the only person (you) that KT is town. They aren't really examining that it doesn't actually convince u of anything.

And I don't think ydra did it for ur benefit either.

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because ur solving using setup spec.
Thats why i say ur solves shouldn't be taken seriously.

So you’re ignoring where I have two solves
One based on mech
And one based on play?

Whats your play based solve then

[Firebringer]

are u only reading KT as scum by your theory of night actions.
That sounds like mech based arguments pretending its play.

What about KT actions says he is lying about what he did if ur going to say his day play is a fake

[Firebringer]

Herta is inno based on last attempt to miselim Herta

How.
This makes no sense to me. Explain it like im 5

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also that doesn't answer my questions about what about KT play is scummy that you think he is making shit up about his night actions.

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U said KT is scummy by PLAY.
When we say play we mean what he has done and or said during the day, you referred to the night actions.
So I go immediately 'how and what about his claimed actions does this equal scummy' are u saying he tried to move u onto himself to waste ur action? Like is that the scummy part to u? What is it?

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So herta can't be scum because otherwise scum were bussing herta.
I don't see why scum can't possibly buss herta but fine.

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Val89 u being upset and annoyed at math when u think math is scum. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
I mean...i guess ive gotten annoyed at my scumreads but its just weird to be this hyper focused and aggressive at him for it.
Just convince everyone else to vote math and ignore him imo

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herta would be dead weight in the scum eyes so theres nothing to gain by defending him is how i would look at it.
and also if herta flipped scum, i am very sure its ydra bussing.

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It also doesn’t explain the no kill either.

it actually perfectly does.

Scum tried to kill Skitter because she was most adamant on scum herta.
Ydra went to perform the kill.
I jailkept skitter, so ydra decided to immediately claim a "possible inno" in the event i jailkeeped her so she could win out in anyway that it occured that she wouldn't be instant guiltied. If i claimed i jailkept Ydra, she oculd say skitter is unconfirmed. If i claimed jailkeep on skitter, she can pretend she has a good inno.

It makes so much sense to me.

[Firebringer]

dont have much to say right now

[Firebringer]

Fire can you talk to me about your general thoughts rn? How do you feel about how the game has progressed, who is scum, where is your headspace at?

No.
Stop playing this game like its page 5.

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im in favor the plan of flipping me then mathblade tomorrow.
Then blaming town lose on mathblade for all of this.

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?

there should be nothing confusing about my response.
u are asking questions as if i have not been in this game for the last dozens of pages giving thoughts and expressing opinions. U continue to do this several times in this game. Its very annoying and im not here to entertain u. Do the work or don't. But stop asking questions.

If there is anything that u dont get about my positions thats fine. But at least show ur reading my posts. U know, like make the vaguest notion of effort into figuring out where i stand. Ur questions are like page 5 as in "this person hasn't done anything, lets just ask him general question so i can get footing on him"

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i mean at this point im pretty sure scum want to save herta either because he is scum or they think it looks bad to lim town him for....reasons i guess

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i think ydra has not been playing in the scum pt because she has not been involved.
Herta been picking kills is my theory of this game actually.

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i can't prove ur breathing so i guess ur null then

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i actually don't know ur position on me.
So why don't u think im scum or want to vote me

[Firebringer]

can we at least demand more memes

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ydra: not tonight im not in the mood
fire:
ydra: i can't be funny with headache
fire:
ydra: don't be giving me those puppy eyes ur not getting any jokes

Fire then goes to sleep in a huff

[Firebringer]

why r u playing so passive.

i mean not like i want u to be active pushing stuff.
But ur being very weird today

[Firebringer]

herta are u townreading me or what.
why aren't u voting me.

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didn't u just say i insulted u by implication?
what?
how am i cute

[Firebringer]

I don't town read any of the posts including kt and I could vote any of you.

u dont townread anyone? thats a bit weird

[Firebringer]

so does anyone actually care about this game

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VOTE: ydrasse

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i have a hard time believing anyone cares at this point.

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is that 12 hours with no posting.
Yep. Everyone is really checked out.
Gonna go be waiting till final hour for consolidation at this rate.

[Firebringer]

Yeah I am pretty checked out. The only player in my PoE that could be elimmed is you.

No one is really selling me anything towards me changing my mind out of Val/KT/Fire.

So yeah…

Val has been trying to get u to vote him all day and u scumread him
You been distinctly ignoring him.
Also I don’t think u can be sold on anything

[Firebringer]

didn't u say pooky was town too.

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at the end of the day, even if ydra flips town we at least know her check is 100% legit.
like if u have extremely strong thinking she is town and don't want to lim her, im open to hearing alternative.
but if its her or me. I am going her

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wouldn't they just shoot kitty regardless
i have no shots, i can't save kitty and kitty can get a guilty on scum at this point.
why risk kitty getting a guilty and just shoot him instead.

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like the only reason i could possibly see scum NOT wanting to kill KItty is because they think Kitty bad push on town me says he is more useful as a useful idiot. Which I think is fairly weak argument.
He can't be limmed here because no one suspects him, for good reason imo.
And kitty could in theory get guilties and get his reads better in line to get scum.

Like the pros and cons clearly weigh to pro killing Kitty.

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plot twist:
i had another shot, i jailkept herta.
Herta confirmed town.

So skitter i got questions for u

[Firebringer]

no tinfoil that im fake claiming.
kind of surprising.

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i guess me faking doesn't change herta having to be town so maybe u still tin foil it

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well i dont see any reason to delay i guess
VOTE: Skitter

Val89 is town by play
IV is townfirmed by math no matter math alignment
mathblade town by play
Herta is confirmed town.

Realistically i would have to be wrong on Val89 or Mathblade which i don't think i am on either.
POE it is skitter.

Ydra made bold move confirming her, don't know why but it was interesting.
Should have pushed to elim ydra after that fake clear more. I read ydra upset as townie and got cold feet. Rip

[Firebringer]

how does an all star scumteam of skitter/ydrasse and pooky fuck this game up so much tho.

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like my guess is they refused to kill Toto because they knew he had the ninja enabler. So they didn't want to get spotted. But still,3 no kills in a row. Just amazing fails

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my first action during the night was targetting skitter again.
But then i realized. I really wanted to confirm herta as not scum more than confirming skitter scum.
so i blocked herta knowing he wasn't going to be kill target. If no kill then 100% him. But i felt it was skitter before doing it.

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Hey sorry busy day

VOTE: fire
I think you're scum with herta at this point

ur going with theres 4 scum in this game? thats ur strat?

[Firebringer]

@FB: Is your working theory back to skitter trying to make the kill the night she was jailed and Ydra faked the check?

yeah

[Firebringer]

skitter probably should just surrender.
she has no paths to victory. she is going to flip today.
her only path was trying to push herta today, kill math then flip me the next day and then try to get innocent to vote with her to get rid of val89.
that is out the window now that herta is confirmed.
she doesn't have room for yeets.
Game is over.

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Like genuinely theres no world i see skitter actually seeing yesterday 2 wagons and thinking it was a choice between two scum. Zero chance she believes this nonsense about 4 scum.

Ur telling me skitter thinks:
A) I bussed pooky. [Fine lets say i did]
B) When she got 'cleared', I immediately said, we will need to flip my scum ally ydrasse to prove the veractiy of that clear.
C) When theres a push on me, ydrasse half assed buss me, and then i counter pushed her. How does me and ydrasse wagons both look like scum to her?
D) Also i was pushing herta with HER for days. So i was pushing another ally according to skitter.

Makes zero sense. Its just gibberish.

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i mean...that theory requires me to no kill for 2 nights and then i give out a free inno check on herta when i already claimed i was out of shots.
So i mean....sexy? Sounds pretty ridiculous scum strategy imo.

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did kitty ever explain why he didn't watch u NIght 2?
it was kind of obvious u would be a target.

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to shut him up tbh.
i internally justified it to myself that scum wouldn't have to night kill me and allow me to get a free save in on math later or a possible full clear once we elimmed him

but it was really to shut him up about his plan that i didn't agree with.

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i was annoyed and wanted him to shut up.
not much else to explain on it.

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if u want to vote in the PRs.
Go for it.

This is a waste of time.

[Firebringer]

i don't see this as an issue.
i see it as a waste of time.
i have the game figured out as far as im concerned.
could it be wrong? sure.
But i feel like the chance of being wrong is 2%.

u apparently are lost or confused.
i am cool with that.

but like if its not skitter, its you or math.
we can have this fight tomorrow if its u or math imo.
What do we gain by having the discussion today?

Unless u want to talk this out with possible town!skitter. This has zero utility today since skitter dies always today in my mind.

i don't see how u could convince me otherwise to move my vote, and u would need to move like 2 votes onto me if u wanted me gone. Likely could get skitter to go anywhere else not her so probably 2 votes anywhere else besides me as well.

So what we doin. Why we doin this?


i don't care what the setup looks like.
Ill just flat out say if skitter is just informed mafia ninja. I would not be shocked.
What role do u think she has?
We should know at this point that scum probably don't have any blocking actions unless u think its me i guess.

What role are u suggesting?
I am suggesting nothing. Skitter is POE scum

[Firebringer]

if ur trying to convince me its math.
ur failling.

i don't care about setup spec. He is town by play.

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like i will worry about if my town by play analysis is wrong tomorrow of skitter flips town.
I already said im living in a world where i think there is a 2% im wrong.

ive stated multiple times, i don't scumhunt by setup spec nor take it into high consideration or value.
if ur going to convince me math is the scum i should be on.
Probably going to have to point how scum math is by play here. I don't see it. Ridiculous? Sure. Thats town math. What scum moves has math been doing?

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i also don't see a world in which u die val89
like i would think scum shoots in one of me or math clear on IV or Herta.
Probably herta? I don't see why scum shoot u. Like at all.
Maybe explain that one while ur envisioning this wacky world where it isn't just skitter

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Like if i am scum.
Why would i kill u?
I would just kill herta who i cleared cause he is already out of the lim pool. Ur not.
IV is also out of the lim pool so is a target.
Math and you are the ones i would never kill here as scum. Ive already been stating if im wrong on someone its one of u 2. Why do i flip that around and kill one of u, that leaves me crazier arguments i would need to 180 to convince people to say flip math and only math in a 1v1 situation. Also u heavily sus math, why wouldn't i keep u alive to make that easier and or side with math against u.

It makes zero sense for me to kill u.

Now look at mathblade:
if math kills u, would need to get both herta and IV to align on just me cause from his perspective it has to be me in that world. Wouldn't it be better to have u around for more options? Why limit it to just me? I cleared Herta, he cleared IV. One of those two needs death for both of us in this world ur imagining where one of us is scum.

BEcause its far riskier to kill u and just have confirmed town sitting around arguing between 2 choices instead of 3.

IF either of us 100% think that we could just get both herta/IV on our side and ur a wild card then i guess? I mean looking at it from that lense math has more reason to kill u than me.

But all this hypo talk is pointless. Vote skitter lets end the game.

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What if it is 4 scum but just Val and Skitter? And Val is acting on inside knowledge?

honestly just dont see the point in all this discussion or how val89 comes to the conclusion that for some magical reason if skitter on the 2% isn't just scum here. He wouldn't just be here tomorrow to discuss this with u or me. how does Val89 think both:
a) it isn't just the extremely solution of skitter
b) that scum would kill him over the 2 clears.

He is taking setup spec as gospel but ignores basic mechanics while doing so.
Mind blowing

[Firebringer]

thanks for modding datisi.
Now time to ban u from mini normals.

(i joke)

[Firebringer]

skitter the only critique i have of ur play is ur tunnel on herta became more unbelievable as time went on. especially today but other than that u got POEd scum and there wasn't much u can do. I think u played extremely well despite that and u handled my semi-guilty well enough that it made me question and reconsider it.

Idk what u and ydra were thinking though on that inno on u.

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if this was mountainous u guys win this 10/10 times.
I do think this was town sided but i do think once u knew me and math roles u could have chosen better targets or better people to perform the kill.

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wait. why did u go for a kill on me when math already announced he was protecting me the night u go for a kill.

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Let’s face facts tho
Skitter/ydrasse/pooky is like op scum team
Town needed to be op to win

Gg again guys
Sorry I was very rude/mad for like days
Getting constantly pushed for setup reasons while I was both pushing mafia and making good night plays was very frustrating

[Firebringer]

I don’t know if just taking out doctor makes this game balanced
Maybe replace doctor with ninja tracker instead?
I feel taking out doctor completely swings this in other direction hard since only the JK can really do anything while scum just rolls through town and town only has one person that can do anything useful
Making a tracker at least let’s someone prove the jk and if scum go for Toto early then they get punished by being able to be spotted by the tracker and watcher

[Firebringer]

i want a scum game with pooky

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I found pooky trolling dead thread funny