i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Gimli]

Ranger hard defending mcmenno makes absolutely zero sense to me unless he has information or is powerwolfing

powerwolfing makes sense in this game given how the loudest players are pushing for strange wagons that will probably flip town

I accept these wagons: mcmenno/NM/george bailey? and it feels like it's so damn hard to push for these low hanging fruits because they're being hard protected, which doesn't make sense if they're town.

game looks like all the people posting and trying are town, and if they're not town they're still universally townread and are powerwolfing the game as a result.

with so many towny players, the people not playing the game is where a lot of the scum is, so we should 100% go after UTRs.

town's inability to read and scumhunt got a townie top poster killed on d1. some of these same people are being loud about their other hero reads, and getting sheeped as a result.

[Gimli]

not george bailey.

I'm killing mcmenno or NM and if mcmenno is a wolf I'll be highly suspicious of ranger in this game.

[biancospino]

not george bailey.

I'm killing mcmenno or NM and if mcmenno is a wolf I'll be highly suspicious of ranger in this game.

I

am killing?
As in,

you

actually have that agency, presumably during Day?

[Gimli]

unfortunately that's not a power I possess, I'm just saying what sort of wagons I'll agree with for today

[Gimli]

KA: why didn't you want to out the hood with gamma?
bianco: how's KA in the hood? do you agree gamma was very towny there, as KA said?

[biancospino]

Hmh, lemme some time to do the reading

[kitten around]

KA: why didn't you want to out the hood with gamma?
bianco: how's KA in the hood? do you agree gamma was very towny there, as KA said?

I don’t think Gamma and some others didn’t want it outed but if Gamma had been in actual danger, I obviously would have but she wasn’t and I didn’t think that without the hood, I had valid reasons for that townread.

[biancospino]

@kitten, #51. Gamma did not want it outed.

@Gimli, KA was indeed, at the very least, not scummy. Notably, they were TRing Frog pretty hard in there. As for Gamma, what you're asking me is to ascertain whether or not her play in the hood is towny, which is plainly difficult for me to do given that I obviously know for certain of Gamma's alignment; that said, I will say that her play in the hood started a bit weird, and left some moves unexplained, but in general her PoV did not look like it came from scum, like at all; notably, she was quite clearly actually bothered by Frog's play D1, and I do not believe she was not genuine in that; and she did use the hood to try to find ways to play around that.

[Gimli]

Saying you're in a hood with someone and that they're towny in it wouldn't sway scumreads from gamma idt.

Fwiw I think Gamma was pretty towny itt, especially on D2 and some parts of D1 when she was hard pushed by frogster

Pedir: yeah I understand I asked something hard, but your response helps us access KA's perspective. If her emotions are genuine and towny looking it makes sense what KA is saying

[KittyTacky]

I want a tldr

I'm realising I don't myself know the full claims. What was that meat thing? I asked but no one answered

On the meat thing, and correct me if it's wrong, isn't it that Math was a multitasking FV one-shot MeatVendor (and also VegetableVendor) that vended meat to Titus, but instead the meat got to Elements so we suspect a driver of some sort?

I am fruit vendor (modifiers if any redacted) who sent one to Ranger
Kitty is the one you’re thinking of that hit Titus I believe

Been up all night and about to sleep.

Yeah I gave fruit to Quiet Owl (who I didn't see claim it?) and meat to Titus.

[KittyTacky]

This one currently refuses to vote on imaginality or Titus but it's willing to do Owl.

VOTE: Quiet Owl

In the meanwhile, I want Ranger's yoga instructor. Arguing an unalive bomber is a serial killer is so stretching Ranger might as well be Mrs. Fantastic.

I am not arguing that's a real power a serial killer has.

I'm arguing that a similar power is something a serial killer would have at their disposal, and the self-bomber would be a town fakeclaim version of it.

It guesses...? But like, it feels like a really really weird claim to make as SK. Being alive after N4 would seriously jeopardize both her own survival and the survival of her hypothetical SK duo partner imaginality. It's a house of cards-level gambit where if anything goes wrong before N4, they're both as good as dead, and if she lives come D5, there will be a very large amount of scrutiny against her and imaginality that cannot easily be brushed off as "Oh yeah, I must've been doc'd." without literally outing a doctor which could be Pretty Bad depending on the situation. It's just way too risky for any kind of scum duo to do. Hell, it's risky even as town because mafia could have who knows what tools to frame her for being suspiciously alive and then gets dogpiled. Of course you can call this something along the lines of arguing "too scum to be scum" but in general this one is rather confident that this play is much more town than it is scum.

Why is it so scummy for a Self-oof Bomber to not use their power? Nobody answered me last time I pointed that out. Unless scum gets outed that day it's -town to use it.

Titus has said she's pretty much going for it regardless, so of course the expectation is that she'll, true to her word, blow someone up and explode in turn. If she survives, that raises questions of how and why. It's not about if using or not using it is scummy.

"I saw the arguments against using the role and reconsidered"

[KittyTacky]

Quiet Owl, claim or die.

If you claim now you have a chance to not die.

If you don't claim you are guaranteed to die.

....................... that's why they're probably town for not wanting to claim....

Town doesn't want to die either. Not claiming is dumb and borderline throwing as either alignment.

[KittyTacky]

I REFUSE TO FLIP NOT_MAFIA

Yes because he's convenient cover for distracting people from you.

YES

And if this is the explanation, that frankly smells bad

Welcome to Enchant.

[Gimli]

I've been trying to decide whether frogster's earlier post

@all

Also: I hate every single one of you for townreading Gamma for absolutely shit reasons, and you all deserve to lose (and probably will) for not backing me up.

Is fake emotion or genuine. I had a false start by reading a recent game where they were scum... so I kept drinking, err, digging. in large normal 242 he was town, and by all accounts pushy enough, but didn't seem to resort to this kind of AtE. AtE is something that actually seems to trip up frogster. despite being pushy they were pretty open to sheeping and shielding their townreads. They were assertive when they thought they had scum, but they did that in the scumgame too (I was very concerned when they kept flipping town.)

@frogster

do you usually say you hate everyone for not following you on a read?

townreading lycan for this post and his general assessment of frogster, gamma and other slots on d1.

re: enchant. still scummy and still needs death. is defending NM who is probably another wolf.

[Gimli]

watch us eat each other up while the scumteam of enchant, not mafia, mcmenno, and a couple of townlooking scums win the game

[biancospino]

I have a question for both @Titus and @Imaginality. It's a bit weird, and I won't explain why I'm asking, but please bear with me.

Does your rolename contain the word Informed? (I'm not asking if you're informed; I'm actually asking if your rolename actually contains that specific word.)

[biancospino]

watch us eat each other up while the scumteam of enchant, not mafia, mcmenno, and a couple of townlooking scums win the game

That would be quite sad. Frankly I really don't like that we're giving MN and Enchant

a lot

of wiggle room just because of their names, but at the same time I don't like the concept of policy limming utter nulls this early

[Gimli]

I'm not going there as a matter of policy, I'm going there as a matter of gamestate + I find all three of them scummy tbh. enchant does not feel like town at all, mcmenno showing up to go 'omg im not wagonz' is something that deserves a dayvig, and NM started getting a little survivalistic once we tried forming a wagon around him. gun to head they're all scum.

[biancospino]

Idk, 1932, 1946, 1948 must be the most lazy attempt at survivalistic posting imaginable. Like, it's barely anything at all; it really takes this little for NM to go over the meme line?

[Gimli]

I think so, yes. you caught what I'm seeing re: NM acting survivalistic

[Enchant]

I think so, yes. you caught what I'm seeing re: NM acting survivalistic

Anti-Jester wincon

[furtiveglance]

Ranger hard defending mcmenno makes absolutely zero sense to me unless he has information or is powerwolfing

powerwolfing makes sense in this game given how the loudest players are pushing for strange wagons that will probably flip town

Is it just Ranger doing this or who else do you mean?

I accept these wagons: mcmenno/NM/george bailey? and it feels like it's so damn hard to push for these low hanging fruits because they're being hard protected, which doesn't make sense if they're town.

game looks like all the people posting and trying are town, and if they're not town they're still universally townread and are powerwolfing the game as a result.

Which players are you counting as posting/trying?

with so many towny players, the people not playing the game is where a lot of the scum is, so we should 100% go after UTRs.

UTR usually means universal town reads. Is this what you mean?

town's inability to read and scumhunt got a townie top poster killed on d1. some of these same people are being loud about their other hero reads, and getting sheeped as a result.

Again, do you mean Ranger? MathBlade? Someone else?

watch us eat each other up while the scumteam of enchant, not mafia, mcmenno, and a couple of townlooking scums win the game

I hope we've got some town killing roles

[Enchant]

IMAGINE I AM VIGILANTE

[biancospino]

Can we tone down the snark a little? I literally can't ascertain whether anything you say at all should be taken seriously or not.

Also, again, why you don't want to flip N_M?

[Gimli]

UTR = under the radar

I'm not home will respond more later