i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Titus]

IDK what to do next. who are we eliminating? QO or ranger?

Honestly, can't NM be SK? the Lycanfire hammer is... a lot to overlook.

But if we're not doing NM...

Ranger's my read preference but I don't trust Titus to shoot QO for us, where as I do trust titus to blast Ranger in the fuckin' face.

So.... QO, I think.

If Ranger flips town, I'll shoot QO in the face.

My current world is Ranger+QO Scum with NM SK so... this isn't particularly comforting to me, Titus.

It's not comforting to me that you want to kill my VCA clear when Patterson and Gimli are much more suspicious.

You think Patterson and Gimli are suspicious?

That's like my top 2 townreads.

You gotta explain those scumreads Titus.

You need to explain yours too. They've tried to take credit for pushes on scum despite lackluster presence on their wagons, tried to stop death of Ranger, fosed my slot constantly despite me near constantly pushing scum (minus QO). They act dumb as to why people withold parts of clsims or how lovers work. The only thing against QO is they are not a hyperposter.

They don't want unpredictability. If we lim Ranger, then it frees me up to do what they fear, actually get the real last scum.

I just want to verify NM one way or the other via massclaim.

[Titus]

We've all forgotten Kitty Tacky exists as well.

[Titus]

I feel Ranger is the SK and scum want the KPN. Her post might as well scream SK.

[Prince of Paterson]

Can you explain how a massclaim would verify Not_Mafia? I also have not forgotten about KittyTacky. His early posting was town and I doubt his alignment has changed.

[imaginality]

I agree with Titus that given we're both dying tonight (I checked with the mod just in case one or both of us could somehow be saved by a doc tonight but nope), it's time to mass claim.

Pedit: Not_Mafia's response to my question is more reason to mass claim as it proves NM town (given the disloyal inventor) if we can rule out them having received the hammer via a bus drive or redirect.

Enchant is a disloyal inventor so couldn't

directly

vend to teammates.

It's possible if the remaining mafia (if any) have a bus driver or redirector that Enchant could vend to player A and then get the hammer into NM's hands. It's also possible that the town bus driver got it into NM's hands by chance (though that would imply scum gave it to someone they didn't target for the nightkill, or that the nightkill target was protected (but that doesn't fit with the two kills per night)).

Personally I think it reasonably plausible scum Enchant gave the hammer to town NM with intent of getting more town cred when claiming later. But mass claim here will certainly help narrow down the possibilities.

I think Lycanfire was dead.

Not when NM claims to have received the hammer

[Titus]

Can you explain how a massclaim would verify Not_Mafia? I also have not forgotten about KittyTacky. His early posting was town and I doubt his alignment has changed.

I'm presuming everyone has verifiable actions that would either confirm themselves or catch him out.

We may be nearing Elo here. Everything should be known.

[Titus]

Plus we need to strategize for elo.

[Prince of Paterson]

Can you explain how a massclaim would verify Not_Mafia? I also have not forgotten about KittyTacky. His early posting was town and I doubt his alignment has changed.

I'm presuming everyone has verifiable actions that would either confirm themselves or catch him out.

We may be nearing Elo here. Everything should be known.

And this answers nothing. What specific information from a massclaim would tell you Not_Mafia's alignment? What would "catch him out"?

[Gimli]

i'll full claim, it doesn't matter

i'm town even day vengeful odd day super saint.

[Quiet Owl]

claiming may actually be useful at this point.

i am a town hated [REDACTED]

essentially, a JOAT with no list of approved actions. i send in a night action and hope it works.
N1: successfully neopolitan'd catscratch
N2: attempted to doc gimli, no idea if that was successful or not
N3: attempted to vig ranger. clearly it didn't work, since she's still alive

[Titus]

Unless we get a doc claim on Ranger or a QO block (unlikely), there's certain scum in Ranger and QO.

QO, why didn't you claim this sooner? Why wait until massclaim?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unless we get a doc claim on Ranger or a QO block (unlikely), there's certain scum in Ranger and QO.

QO, why didn't you claim this sooner? Why wait until massclaim?

If we don't have ANY claims that prevent this by the town... isn't it most likely they're both scum? and that this is a final gambit to clear one of them when the other flips?

speaking of claims, our role is N3 Hydra Recruiter which does exactly what it says on the tin. Basically if Furtive survived to N3 they could pull a player outside the game into the game (the player has to accept the recruitment or the ability fails) to join their slot as a part of a hydra, a proven ability as you can see by my existence lol.

[Summon The Phoenix]

Town Night 3 Hydra Recruiter Neighbour

-Summon

[Summon The Phoenix]

claiming may actually be useful at this point.

i am a town hated [REDACTED]

essentially, a JOAT with no list of approved actions. i send in a night action and hope it works.
N1: successfully neopolitan'd catscratch
N2: attempted to doc gimli, no idea if that was successful or not
N3: attempted to vig ranger. clearly it didn't work, since she's still alive

Why aren't you allowed to say your role name?

-Summon

[Summon The Phoenix]

i'll full claim, it doesn't matter

i'm town even day vengeful odd day super saint.

What's a super saint?

-Summon

[Summon The Phoenix]

I feel Ranger is the SK and scum want the KPN. Her post might as well scream SK.

KPN?

-Summon

[Summon The Phoenix]

We've all forgotten Kitty Tacky exists as well.

I think he's just coasting this day phase.

-Summon

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'll full claim, it doesn't matter

i'm town even day vengeful odd day super saint.

What's a super saint?

-Summon

Supersaint is an ability that auto kills the person who hammered the Saint.

so if we were a super saint, and Gimli cast the final vote to hammer us, we'd die, and then Gimli would die with us.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I feel Ranger is the SK and scum want the KPN. Her post might as well scream SK.

KPN?

-Summon

Kill Power Number. I.E: Scum want another townie to be shot before the SK dies, is Titus' assertion.

[Ranger]

my distinct impression was that the moment ranger was threatened by lycanfire, math and N_M immediately jumped on lycan to stop her from becoming a wagon.

i think my exact phrasing here is worth taking note of.

Your exact phrasing doesn't change your narrative being proven wrong by simply reading two pages of the game.

There were two votes on me. Lycanfire's, and yours.

There were

four

votes on

you

. None from flipped scum.

The latter came

after

the former, not before.

I was actively talking to Lycanfire. That meant Lycanfire was likely to change reads on me.

That means there's no "Ranger was threatened by Lycanfire" moment. It doesn't exist.

There

was

a "Quiet Owl was threatened by the town" moment.

[Ranger]

It's called reading flips. Maybe you should try it.

I did and nothing in those flips indicates guns.

Because of the gunsmith and handing out guns is what people usually do with inventors.

No? Guns aren't the most common invention. The most common inventions are also the most common JOAT actions: Tracker, Follower, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Gunsmith, Neapolitan. Maybe if feeling extra strong, a Cop. A Bulletproof Vest Inventor is more common than a Vigilante inventor. A Hider Inventor is more common than a Vigilante Inventor.

And like JOATs, usually, if the Inventor doesn't specify (role)-Inventor, it's because it has multiple inventions, not just one.

[furtiveglance]

i'll full claim, it doesn't matter

i'm town even day vengeful odd day super saint.

I believe this claim since Gimli seemed genuinely happy to be voted earlier.

claiming may actually be useful at this point.

i am a town hated [REDACTED]

essentially, a JOAT with no list of approved actions. i send in a night action and hope it works.
N1: successfully neopolitan'd catscratch
N2: attempted to doc gimli, no idea if that was successful or not
N3: attempted to vig ranger. clearly it didn't work, since she's still alive

This looks extremely haphazard, and it's notable that only one of these actions is remotely provable (and this one didn't work).

-Summon

[Summon The Phoenix]

i'll full claim, it doesn't matter

i'm town even day vengeful odd day super saint.

I believe this claim since Gimli seemed genuinely happy to be voted earlier.

claiming may actually be useful at this point.

i am a town hated [REDACTED]

essentially, a JOAT with no list of approved actions. i send in a night action and hope it works.
N1: successfully neopolitan'd catscratch
N2: attempted to doc gimli, no idea if that was successful or not
N3: attempted to vig ranger. clearly it didn't work, since she's still alive

This looks extremely haphazard, and it's notable that only one of these actions is remotely provable (and this one didn't work).

-Summon

Everyone point and laugh at the alt-slipper

[Ranger]

There's next to zero way Q O is scum unless SK but that's pretty obviously Ranger.

Is it?

You were calling me scum by VCA.

I can't both be scum and the SK, can I?

(It's because I'm neither.)

[Prince of Paterson]

I don't think it should be too much to ask for me to get a straight answer to questions without having to ask 4 times for every question.