Mini 2287: AB:LoAF (Postgame)

[Gimli]

here's what I think: I think you're town or 3p or either way not groupscum. and you tunneled on kokichi and kyoko and it's something that you're not explaining well. I'm checking kokichi's ISO to see what you're seeing and he posts nothing of substance and you're like 'kokichi's pushes are scummy' and he is like 'what have I pushed' and indeed he wasn't pushing anything.

like your spot is so hard cause things like that will get you eliminated. thats why I don't think you're scum as well, it's almost too hard to defend from any perspective

[MegAzumarill]

Prodding Not_Mafia and KittyTacky

[TemporalLich]

if I don't vote either kokichi or kyoko I'd vote Yume... but at that point I'd more want to apply pressure and time pressure to see something interesting happen

[Gimli]

if I don't vote either kokichi or kyoko I'd vote Yume... but at that point I'd more want to apply pressure and time pressure to see something interesting happen

how do you plan on doing that?

[TemporalLich]

the vote will apply pressure, however time pressure comes from the deadline approaching so only time can apply time pressure

[TemporalLich]

anyway... VOTE: Yume

I am still here, but am also busy, so...

Please at least post some content in this game, your lack of content and lurking is very scummy

[Gimli]

yes but the wagons you want are not going to form, I don't think people want to vote out either kokichi or kyoko, or anyone other than you, actually, unless they go yume who isn't going to feel the pressume because yume isn't even really playing

[TemporalLich]

Considering Marashu gained a lot of town points surrounding the claim (yes, I believe Marashu's claim is extremely towny), if not Yume than I'd vote Fuyuhiko (454 is NAI at best but 432 is a towny hasty claim).

And I think Yume is significantly scummier than Fuyuhiko right now.

[Gimli]

agree marashu's claim, the way he claimed also, is very towny

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

@MegAzumarill I'm pretty sure that I unvoted enchant

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

You can't receive Vanilla Townie role.

You can only receive Vanilla.

yes and I discarded it

and my alignment is a town so I discarded being a vanilla town.

UNVOTE:

lmao that was your "lies"?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Anyways, I'm not sure how to read gimli's defense of TL. I mean to agree that he has extremely low hanging fruit potential right now, with him not trying anything and sticking with his "reads" but I think gimli is going a bit too far with it. I guess it forms a counter wagon no matter what and it can be from either alignment genuinely but is something to consider.

now about choosing to push yume. a completely lurking slot is another low-hanging fruit, don't you agree?

I don't have any reason to scum read yume, but it's a slot I'm open for its elimination to progress the game. Guess we'll have more info with a night phase in this game and possibly with some flips.

[Gimli]

hi I'm still awake

I don't have much to say about my defense of lich, other than I'm reading him as a good old too scummy to be scum type of situation. and if I'd just position myself as to agree with this elimination, we'd have nothing else to talk about this gameday. since the game has no friction, I'm trying to create it, somehow. yume is the only CW I think is reasonable. maybe kittytacky, but I'm not actively scumreading anything they did.

[Gimli]

or maybe I am. I'm taking some issues with some things kittytacky did this game. maybe I'll write some thoughts out about him later.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

yeah I agree with your take about lich wagon which is why I didn't vote lich myself

my question is how is voting yume better

[Gimli]

what do you think of kittytacky?

[Gimli]

KT's ISO: basically commentary on whatever is going on, sheeps a vote on lich and then disappears. I know kitty is a good townie so this is out of character.

[TemporalLich]

KittyTacky still feels towny but idk

the ISO is indeed mostly commentary, but that commentary felt towny to me

[MegAzumarill]

@MegAzumarill I'm pretty sure that I unvoted enchant

Fixed

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Spoiler: Re: discussion of Herta's role

I return vanilla [smallest groupscum faction at the beginning of the game]. It says nothing about conspirators or guardians or any other faction other than town of course. Walk me through this like I'm 5, please.

According to the setup we have 4 factions, so I don't know why you're speculating on how many there are.

I also don't know what you mean by slow to get information out of me. I'm not on a timetable. And even if I were, what difference does/did it make?

I got 3 factions and not 4 from the following:

1. The moderator rolls 1d4. This corresponds to one of the 4 faction lists below.
2. The moderator rolls a random number from 1 to the number of entries in the corresponding list to determine what is present in the game.
3. The moderator rolls an additional number on the True Groupscum list.

One faction from any of the lists. One faction from True Groupscum. Town. Those are the three factions.

As I said, I might be misunderstanding how flavour works. My understanding was that 'Miller', 'Cop', 'Mason', etc would be changed to match whichever faction it is reflecting/investigating/excluding. For example, in the Dark Creatures entry, Miller is listed as 'Abyssal'. So my expectation is that your card would read Universal Must-Pick Abyssal. So either I'm wrong about how the role flavourings work (which, I'll be honest, is definitely a possibility), or we're in a setup where you would return as a Guardian/Conspirator (since those are the only two groupscum that would have Miller as Miller), or you're antitown who wanted to claim miller early but didn't know about miller flavour, and it's this last possibility that has me so fixated on sorting your claim.

I think your understanding of most of the Miller roles is correct, but Herta's role just so happens to be an exception - the

official name

of the role is "Universal Miller", the role just

investigates

as e.g. Dark Creature to relevant Cops, and Vanilla to relevant Rolecops. If it helps, think of the Role as being named "Universally Suspicious Person" rather than "Universal Miller".

VOTE: kyoko

Game is kind of dead and I get that, but you're still talking about lich's list and I think the focus on that is scummy

It's the awkward period when RVS is over but there are still no leads. That's why is dead. Also I don't think there's much else to talk about, the list is pretty big as far as content goes so far.

Why not make some content yourself?

I'm a quite reactive player, I do better when people talk about stuff and I can engage, if the game is dead then I sleep.

Does anyone have meta with kitty? is this true?

[Marashu]

Does anyone have meta with kitty? is this true?

I was in one game with KittyTacky. I find it hard to say whether this is true or not, because in that game town!KittyTacky was under pressure pretty much from the start. I think a major difference between the two is how much KittyTacky was quoting other players to engage or as reference for his posts. Contrast that with:

I got distracted. Honestly yeah, TL's page 10 posts are scummy imo.

VOTE: TemporalLich

[Gimli]

VOTE: kittytacky

[Kokichi Oma]

what info would we gain with a Yume elim?

Yume has literally zero associatives and like 5% of a read.

Aren't they one of your biggest scumreads?

[Kokichi Oma]

There is quite a few people that seem content with just coasting through day 1 for whatever reason.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Does anyone have meta with kitty? is this true?

I was in one game with KittyTacky. I find it hard to say whether this is true or not, because in that game town!KittyTacky was under pressure pretty much from the start. I think a major difference between the two is how much KittyTacky was quoting other players to engage or as reference for his posts. Contrast that with:

I got distracted. Honestly yeah, TL's page 10 posts are scummy imo.

VOTE: TemporalLich

That is interesting

@Kitykat any reason for the change of play style?