i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Summon The Phoenix]

I apologise for exposing your eyes to my alter ego's sodden visage.

Here's a glorious sight instead

-Summon

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also Usurper isn't a third party role. It's a scum role. If we were usurper we would have been on the scum team, and known who the godfather was to get them killed.

And only killed the one person.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like you have to understand it doesn't add up, Prince.

[Prince of Paterson]

The role, to my understanding, isn't used much and might not work exactly the same way that it does on the wiki. Given the phase ??? I think the role would be necessarily different. I agree it doesn't fully match up, though.

Why do you think Not_Mafia is more likely serial killer and KittyTacky is more likely groupscum? That doesn't make much sense to me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The role, to my understanding, isn't used much and might not work exactly the same way that it does on the wiki. Given the phase ??? I think the role would be necessarily different. I agree it doesn't fully match up, though.

Why do you think Not_Mafia is more likely serial killer and KittyTacky is more likely groupscum? That doesn't make much sense to me.

NM got gifted the hammer. I don't think scum gives scum that when they know NM will be the final scum alive.

[Prince of Paterson]

Well, scum could not have gifted scum that. Enchant was disloyal. But we don't know for sure that it was given to him by enchant.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The role, to my understanding, isn't used much and might not work exactly the same way that it does on the wiki. Given the phase ??? I think the role would be necessarily different. I agree it doesn't fully match up, though.

Why do you think Not_Mafia is more likely serial killer and KittyTacky is more likely groupscum? That doesn't make much sense to me.

If it were called Usurper it would function the same. If it were different how would anyone know if I was third party?

And if someone wasn't trying to frame us and confuse you, wouldn't they just call us SK as one word or even just Scum? Or Killer?

It makes 0 sense and doesn't match the truth at all.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, scum could not have gifted scum that. Enchant was disloyal. But we don't know for sure that it was given to him by enchant.

Then is your preference to do NM today? My partner will be happy... I don't fully agree though.

[Summon The Phoenix]

Well, scum could not have gifted scum that. Enchant was disloyal. But we don't know for sure that it was given to him by enchant.

Yeah. My working theory is that NM is some kind of wack scum JOAT with the hammer ability, the messaging thing and maybe even the doublevoting thing. That would explain their claim of the hammer being 'given' only AFTER Enchant flipped, and their claim of Naive Cop after you (Prince) claimed a useless role.

-Summon

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like at this point we need to be voting together as town, and with NM and KT likely to cross vote given NM's vote, we have to make a choice.

[Summon The Phoenix]

Well, scum could not have gifted scum that. Enchant was disloyal. But we don't know for sure that it was given to him by enchant.

Then is your preference to do NM today? My partner will be happy... I don't fully agree though.

Can you explain again why Mafia would have 2 Vendors and an Inventor?
It just seems unlikely to me.
-Summon

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, scum could not have gifted scum that. Enchant was disloyal. But we don't know for sure that it was given to him by enchant.

Then is your preference to do NM today? My partner will be happy... I don't fully agree though.

Can you explain again why Mafia would have 2 Vendors and an Inventor?
It just seems unlikely to me.
-Summon

I don't know. Why are the mafia disloyal? Disloyal inventors with a single scumteam can only give to townies. That's a disadvantage in a way.

Usually you see disloyal with 2 split scum teams.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, scum could not have gifted scum that. Enchant was disloyal. But we don't know for sure that it was given to him by enchant.

Then is your preference to do NM today? My partner will be happy... I don't fully agree though.

I want an answer to this, tbh.

I'd like to know where you plan to put your vote today.

[Not_Mafia]

Do we know where the double vote ability came from?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do we know where the double vote ability came from?

0 fucking clue. Not even KT appears to know, by claim.

[Prince of Paterson]

Well, scum could not have gifted scum that. Enchant was disloyal. But we don't know for sure that it was given to him by enchant.

Then is your preference to do NM today? My partner will be happy... I don't fully agree though.

Haven't decided yet. As I said before I lean towards thinking KittyTacky is more likely to be scum overall, but I do think that if he is, he's more likely to be serial killer. I was just explaining why I don't think it's guaranteed that Not_Mafia isn't groupscum.

[Prince of Paterson]

Even now we have a lot of kills unaccounted for. I think there almost has to be a serial killer still alive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, scum could not have gifted scum that. Enchant was disloyal. But we don't know for sure that it was given to him by enchant.

Then is your preference to do NM today? My partner will be happy... I don't fully agree though.

Haven't decided yet. As I said before I lean towards thinking KittyTacky is more likely to be scum overall, but I do think that if he is, he's more likely to be serial killer. I was just explaining why I don't think it's guaranteed that Not_Mafia isn't groupscum.

I see. Well, this is the issue.

Today, if we're deciding between NM and KT, I need you to start actually weighing those options and discussing them with me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Even now we have a lot of kills unaccounted for. I think there almost has to be a serial killer still alive.

Okay, there is a risky play that might be worth considering if we DO have 2 evils alive.

We could choose to not eliminate, and see if the SK and the Scum shoot each other. It'd be a prisoner dilemma on their parts.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you genuinely think there MUST be two... it is our only winning play as town.

But it's probably better to assume only one scum.

[Prince of Paterson]

Not sure why scum KittyTacky claims multitasking when he could just not ever vend meat. Actually, I suppose so that he could claim he vented meat to the kill target if he ever gets tracked or watched.

Why haven't you vended meat, KittyTacky?

[Not_Mafia]

Do we know where the double vote ability came from?

0 fucking clue. Not even KT appears to know, by claim.

So it can only come from scum, right? If I were scum why would I give the double vote to someone to the person I'd likely be 1v1ing, even if I couldn't target myself I'd give it to one of the townie players and focus on getting them to vote with me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do we know where the double vote ability came from?

0 fucking clue. Not even KT appears to know, by claim.

So it can only come from scum, right? If I were scum why would I give the double vote to someone to the person I'd likely be 1v1ing, even if I couldn't target myself I'd give it to one of the townie players and focus on getting them to vote with me

I agree with you my dude. I think you'd have given it to me and tried to convince me it was KT.

I'm not the one you need to convince here, I suspect.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not sure why scum KittyTacky claims multitasking when he could just not ever vend meat. Actually, I suppose so that he could claim he vented meat to the kill target if he ever gets tracked or watched.

Why haven't you vended meat, KittyTacky?

Wait, the meat thing wasn't confirmed? NO ONE has received the meat ever?

[Not_Mafia]

Even now we have a lot of kills unaccounted for. I think there almost has to be a serial killer still alive.

Okay, there is a risky play that might be worth considering if we DO have 2 evils alive.

We could choose to not eliminate, and see if the SK and the Scum shoot each other. It'd be a prisoner dilemma on their parts.

If you genuinely think there MUST be two... it is our only winning play as town.

But it's probably better to assume only one scum.

If KittyTacky retains his double vote tomorrow he can kill me and use his double vote force a no-lim and win the game the following night.

The winning play is to eliminate KittyTacky