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Post Post #1175 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:15 am

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Who is this
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Post Post #1176 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:19 am

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we can do two things here

1) work kyoko as a compromise vig shot on n2. say we flip kuzu and he is mafia. killing kyoko serves us well, because her ENTIRE equity itg is scum or 3p. we don't lose one of ours. now, if we flip kuzu and he is actually town, then IDK if shooting her is good, because I think her 3p equity is big, since that claim outs her if another 3p flips (I think?). meaning scum shouldn't claim 3p. but she can be a traitor role etc with a neighboring modifier. who tf knows.

2) change hail for whatever ability shows all the targeted. it would require our full claims. we'd learn kyoko's 3p for sure, and she could pick our TOWNIEST PERSON ITG for her target. that way she'd win with town and we'd all be happy with that. at some point the towniest person needs to be resolved so we know she is winning with us. so, it's a thing.
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Post Post #1177 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:19 am

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In post 1175, Enchant wrote: Who is this
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Post Post #1178 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:20 am

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In post 1173, Enchant wrote:
In post 1172, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: also I'm definitely not scum though

And pretty much the distraction that you all fell for it anyway.

Hopefully, you will play the game more productively now that I hard claimed.
Issue is that you still wield vote and you are not really cooperating if you withholding something, especially with you expressing how we suck.
I think in critical moment you just will scumside, helping them achieve majority faster.


Therefore, why we should risk it?
trust me that is better for the town as well if I don't claim what is my alignment exactly

But if everyone insists I might tell

I don't know why would you want to do that though when my claim is already confirmable to you all

Plus I might not town side in a critical condition, but I certainly won't scum the side either. I'm just in peace with everyone and doing my own harmless thing pretty much.

like literally to any town I'm the top tier confirmed town state and to scum I'm just a harmless let them be state and I intend to prove to both town and scum that I'm not a threat by using my action. That wont mean I'll scum side. I don't have a side and wont ever get one cause sides aint my jam
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Post Post #1179 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:21 am

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In post 1176, Gimli wrote: we can do two things here

1) work kyoko as a compromise vig shot on n2. say we flip kuzu and he is mafia. killing kyoko serves us well, because her ENTIRE equity itg is scum or 3p. we don't lose one of ours. now, if we flip kuzu and he is actually town, then IDK if shooting her is good, because I think her 3p equity is big, since that claim outs her if another 3p flips (I think?). meaning scum shouldn't claim 3p. but she can be a traitor role etc with a neighboring modifier. who tf knows.

2) change hail for whatever ability shows all the targeted. it would require our full claims. we'd learn kyoko's 3p for sure, and she could pick our TOWNIEST PERSON ITG for her target. that way she'd win with town and we'd all be happy with that. at some point the towniest person needs to be resolved so we know she is winning with us. so, it's a thing.
So your plan is to shoot someone who just claimed they have a role that can confirm to you that they can win alongside you?

Are you serious?
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Post Post #1180 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:23 am

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oh you're gonna target indeed kyoko

pedit: it's a possibility. you don't think I'll want to flip you? I won't flip you if you win with the town. that's not the case now and it has to be, otherwise I think our vig looks great on you.
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Post Post #1181 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:23 am

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that's why I suggest lifting hail
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Post Post #1182 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:23 am

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you're the only person itg with 0 town equity
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Post Post #1183 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:24 am

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That is pretty much throwing the game you understand right?

Town is already 2 members down. and you suggest to kill someone whose not in any capacity a threat to you and can prove it
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Post Post #1184 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:24 am

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if we lift hail you can use your ability and we can know what's up, and if you win with town maybe you increase town numbers? that can be REALLY good

otherwise you're a good compromise shot
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Post Post #1185 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:25 am

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I wouldn't suggest shooting you if we flip kuzu and he is town
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Post Post #1186 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:25 am

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In post 1182, Gimli wrote: you're the only person itg with 0 town equity
Mate

I'M NOT TOWN. and I wasn't hiding it. I'm basically a natural 3p as natural it can be.

whats the point of shooting me when I can target you and say I'm winning the game with you.
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Post Post #1187 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:27 am

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In post 1186, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 1182, Gimli wrote: you're the only person itg with 0 town equity
Mate

I'M NOT TOWN. and I wasn't hiding it. I'm basically a natural 3p as natural it can be.

whats the point of shooting me when I can target you and say I'm winning the game with you.
if we don't lift hail you can't do that, that would be another gameday without knowing

I prefer if we lift hail and figure out the gamestate like that.
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Post Post #1188 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:29 am

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there is nothing good about shooting someone who claimed that they are friendly neighbor lmao

Not as a compromise not as a real shot.

you're actually throwing for even suggesting it as an option.

pedit: yeap,

The reason I didn't hard claim earlier was because I wanted to target someone first and then make them confirm me with it. but seeing you all being the way you are and not getting my softs made me claim fully.

also please scum no shoot me. I'll try to target one of you with a friendly neighbor too later to prove I'm not town either, oki?
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Post Post #1189 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:31 am

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In post 1188, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: also please scum no shoot me. I'll try to target one of you with a friendly neighbor too later to prove I'm not town either, oki?
are you trying to be eliminated?
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Post Post #1190 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:32 am

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In post 1189, Gimli wrote:
In post 1188, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: also please scum no shoot me. I'll try to target one of you with a friendly neighbor too later to prove I'm not town either, oki?
are you trying to be eliminated?
No, I just need to survive

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Post Post #1191 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:01 am

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In post 1183, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: That is pretty much throwing the game you understand right?

Town is already 2 members down. and you suggest to kill someone whose not in any capacity a threat to you and can prove it
Using dirty tactics not gonna help me trusting you.
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Post Post #1192 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:03 am

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Spoiler:

In post 824, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 823, Gimli wrote: BUT YOU'RE A 3P THO
Remember danganronpa? The act of searching for hope is the true meaning of hope.

This is the mastermind's trap to get rid of me. This school's secrets will not be revealed if I die.

So I need you to trust me. Trust that all will be known with time. That town or 3P (that I'm not claiming or refuting now anymore so maybe it increases my life), the town should not worry about me.

Friends should believe in one another and I can prove that I'm your friend.

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In post 822, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Like pay attention to the weight of my words and you'll notice that you don't have to care about me and preferably don't make me claim

I'm gonna prove to rest of town that I'm on their side with a bit of time. I just need time
In post 709, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 708, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 700, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 672, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.
Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice

:facepalm:

if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm
alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill
Uh oh! Better watch your words, Miss Detective!

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I am a fri end mr fake evil sup reme lea der
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In post 707, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 704, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 672, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.
Curious as to why
I don t know. I wish frie nds woul dln t sus pect ea ch oth er in this game of des pair :(

damn is hard to talk like this with auto corr etc lmao
In post 700, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 672, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.
Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice

:facepalm:

if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm
alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill
In post 378, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 377, Gimli wrote: and that can be a role that scum has, right? just so we're clear
yes all roles are alignment-less

basically anyone can have any of the roles regardless of alignment in this setup
In post 306, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 305, Gimli wrote: did you pick a benign 3p over VT
you cant choose between alignments. You have your fixed alignment and can choose between two roles
In post 302, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 295, Gimli wrote:
In post 271, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
mate

I had vanilla and the other role and discarded vanilla. enchants big find was that I said I discarded "vanilla town" and not "vanilla" when indeed I discarded it and am town so it was a discard of a vanilla town

This is an awful reason to vote me for.
okay

@enchant how do you remember it just said 'vanilla' and why do you think saying 'vanilla townie' is some sort of lie?
You get alignment on top and then there are 2 roles (alignment less) you choose or discard from. so its like:
Town
1 - vanilla
2 - The ultimate cuties pie
In post 275, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: regardless any wagon on my slot is a
complete distraction
as I said

If you insist I'll claim before you get me eliminated and it shows why then. but its just stupid as you will know why later in game \o/ I will not do any attempt to sort your reads on my slot otherwise, however.

so feel free to do whatever you want as long as you don't happy wagon and go lol hammering me
In post 257, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Let's just say I'm not really worried about others solving me cause there might be no need for it so I'm waiting for more content to do detective work on that.

Your focus is better spent elsewhere.

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In post 96, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 94, Gimli wrote:
In post 78, TemporalLich wrote: Marashu doesn't seem scum

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

starting to see a scummy mindset again

pedit: your reaction test doesn't faze me
What's the scummy mindset you're seeing?

Re: marashu I think the massclaiming bit and having reasons for it seem to come from town, so I agree with you and I guess I'm townreading both you and marashu now

I have a question. I'm sorry if this is too much potatoes but I don't wanna read the setup, it makes my brain cry, but I still wanna know what sort of game we're probably playing here. multiple factions? Is there even groupscum? Is it one of those games with three different scum factions and then you can't read anyone cause everyone is kinda towny throughout?
so the setup can have multiple group scums or solo scums. Some of these scum can only win solo/against town and some can have roles that let them win alongside everyone else - I mean they can win with either town or the evil typical scums


check all those posts day 2 and day 1 and tell me you still don't believe me.
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Post Post #1193 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:05 am

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cause I'm pretty sure no one could have claimed this in a more obvious way then me without actually claiming it

and why do you even need to trust me? I have the most definite confirmable action ever.

literally what everyone gotta do is to just leave me be
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Post Post #1194 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:06 am

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In post 1128, Gimli wrote:
In post 346, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: I discarded vanilla
In post 432, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Yeah I'm just gonna fullclaim this
I have to ability to pick a player and a word 3 times per game as a night action, if they post that word the next day they die
isn't that a little funky? your discard was vanilla but your actual role is a killing ability.

I wonder if on d2...

:tinfoil:

kuzu and kyoko are groupscum. check: horrible theatrics
Spoiler: scum theatre or something
In post 700, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 672, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.
Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice

:facepalm:

if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm
alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill
In post 707, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 704, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 672, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.
Curious as to why
I don t know. I wish frie nds woul dln t sus pect ea ch oth er in this game of des pair :(

damn is hard to talk like this with auto corr etc lmao
and on and on
Yeah I picked a role I thought was fun, fucking suck it!
Gimli is playing extremely bad-faith here and I’m absolutely willing to shift to voting him.
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Post Post #1195 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:06 am

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It's not matter of beliving claim that beliving that you wort keeping
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Post Post #1196 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:09 am

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In post 1161, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: BTW I wanted to tell you all this but couldn't do so pre claim

There is a chance that Herta is in actual scum group as universal miller and that way they would pass as a hurtless 3p

You need to consider that option in this setup
Would it have to be a groupscum faction?
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Post Post #1197 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:11 am

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Gimli continually pushing for Kyoto to die even after she fullclaimed is an abysmally bad look.
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Post Post #1198 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:13 am

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In post 1197, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Gimli continually pushing for Kyoto to die even after she fullclaimed is an abysmally bad look.
why
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Post Post #1199 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:14 am

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One of the reasons I broke my words like that (besides trolling a bit and seeing how fuyuhiko/others react to it) was cause I wanted to make my hard soft claiming look scummier to not get myself killed over nothing.

pedit: Look I'm not gonna BS you or anyone else. I will win for my win condition and to get there I also need to find scum. I don't want people dead. I can work with everyone being alive tbh. I just wanna do my own thing which can help both town and scum, but will help town more.

If its more reassuring for you, you can develop a system for my vote that's based on majorities opinion and I'll follow it.

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