Mini 2287: AB:LoAF (Postgame)

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

and you think group scum will outright claim they are scum in that scenario to get pirates to work with them? what if remaining town has a protection?

That is such a stupidly bold plan for group scum to follow in such scenarios when they can just try to get a town miselimed classical way, and have us leave game to win.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

did you even read my posts

Do you confirm Doctor Drew as your teamPirate

do you guys wanna ask me one by one? lol

But since he claimed it, I'm just gonna go ahead and confirm that NM is telling the truth about being a pirate.

were you impressed I POE'd down your team mate correctly?

and people wanna flip me, kyoko. tell them I'm town

If he wasn't my partner I might have played the game as 3p entirely differently tbh

but yes. great job

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Drew is pirate.

I just said he isn't

pirates are me and NM

[Not_Mafia]

Drew is groupscum

[Gimli]

the only people I have confidence in townreading are marashu, enchant and kokichi

all we have to do now is find the two townies in (aisa, KT, herta, kuzu, dr drew) for the win. I'll try some ISOs in a bit.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I town read marashu and enchant, but why kokichi is towny?

[Gimli]

I town read marashu and enchant, but why kokichi is towny?

I could be wrong about kokichi, but I think the way he is engaging with the thread is an honest one. doesn't protect any slot, has the right amount of confidence in the things he is saying, etc. it really just strikes me as a townie. do you disagree? are you scumreading him? I remember you were townreading him or at least being protective about him on d1 (I thought it was pocketing (maybe it was pocketing since you're a pirate)).

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I town read marashu and enchant, but why kokichi is towny?

I could be wrong about kokichi, but I think the way he is engaging with the thread is an honest one. doesn't protect any slot, has the right amount of confidence in the things he is saying, etc. it really just strikes me as a townie. do you disagree? are you scumreading him? I remember you were townreading him or at least being protective about him on d1 (I thought it was pocketing (maybe it was pocketing since you're a pirate)).

I was asking TL about his kokichi read not protecting him/pocketing him. My questions were about how TL sees the game and it was a genuine attempt to sort TL. I was really reluctant to go there cause I was thinking he is really persistent in his weird ways of sorting the game but then he started doing really weird things, like calling random posts of mine cases and stuff so I thought maybe he is a scum in shambles cause of heat.

I am rather confused about him today. Generally speaking, I liked his reaction to my softs, but I hated his reactions to my full claim. Like I think he didn't try to analyze what I claimed there.

+ I don't see him trying to "Move" the game in any direction which is unlike what I saw in our recent game that was also playing (haunted villa). I remember him being quite the voice about whats best course there, especially on day 2.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

the second and third paraghraphs are about kokichi

[Not_Mafia]

Kyoko can verify my claim

[Enchant]

I thought Not_Mafia is Cop who checks for pirates.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Okay

[Enchant]

Probably beliving pirates is not best idea but i really don't give a fuck

[Marashu]

1) I'm not trying to kill kyoko
2) we have only got somewhere on D2 because I pressured wonky and weird things that happened itt.

I get being scumread by kuzu because I scumcase and voted them. By you I don't understand. I feel like I got us somewhere in the game. I saw you unvoted but even still, I don't understand what I did to be voted in the first place.

I'm dumb when I'm tired. I saw kyoko say truescum were probably in the people pushing pirates, I remembered you pushing pirates, and reacted.

[Marashu]

OK with voting Drew now, but can you let us know who you'll be checking tonight since we have a point A parity cop, and if you leave the game we won't know who you targeted?

[Gimli]

putting in spoilers as this is mostly for myself, but feel free to read if you feel like. I'm quoting some posts I think are interesting from drew/aisa/herta/kuzu/KT. it doesn't really go anywhere and might confuse more than help.

Spoiler: lots of things from day 1

It could literally come from scum who has that role, haha. Actually that does raise an interesting question - if somebody from the largest groupscum group in the game were to get the Universal Miller card, how would the two interact? Let me see if Meg will answer this question.

aisa and herta have weird dynamics. herta is easily townreading aisa because of some meta read, and I feel the confidence and consistency aren't very towny at all (no read change, no attempt to evaluate), while aisa is maybe a little too involved with the miller claim from early on. this post I'm quoting I think is a tad less likely to be SvS, because it shows a universal miller from the largest groupscum would show up as the smallest faction. that's not damning for herta per se, but it puts her claim back at 0 townpoints. and once we have no reason to townread herta, you kinda start to scumread herta, you know what I'm saying?

Oh my bad, Marashu had the same question about TL's change of read before I did lol.
Meg said that a groupscum universal miller would be allowed. So e.g. if the smallest groupscum group in this game were the Apparitions, a Universal Miller Apparition would be allowed, and would investigate as an Apparition to relevant investigatives. (Meg is awesome.)

@Yume

, why are you voting Gimli?

Surely

this is a legitimate claim. I feel like Herta is reproducing the ?confusion? of having an odd role very well - seems like it would be hard to reproduce if it were a fake claim.

Herta, have you thought about asking the mod to clarify how your role works?

Wait I'm dumb lol, I literally asked Meg yesterday? the day before? I believe my interpretation of how Universal Miller works is the correct one.

Why are you voting Fuyuhiko, Herta?

so these are the posts where I'm starting to doubt things a bit, because aisa appears to be too focused on that claim now, while simultaneously forgetting a conversation with the mod. it doesn't feel very good.

I got backed into overconfidence and backing down would be scummy

this feels exceptionally self-conscious for this stage of the game.

I think your play is objectively scummy and trying to pretend otherwise or deflect the matter is a bad look

I don't like anything kuzu posted this game and this is just another example. the way he is pushing TL seems disingenuous to me. the strength of the read is very offputting.

UNVOTE:

Howdy all, already gave a little bit of a skimmy skim of the thread

The main things that jumped out at me in a quick reading:

TL changing their Mara for no reason.....when Mara was the first town ping I got was a bit....weird?

And it was Kiki...or Kyoko, sorry I am gonna fuck that up a lot(damn anime names and avatars), who called that out as well......seems towny(or at least not the same alignment as TL).

There was something I didn't like about Kitty's early posting, but changed my tuned as I kept skimming, will revisit that as I read the thread again.

Again, just a quick little how you doin post with some off the cusp reads and such, will do a deeper dive.....possibly tonight if the beer doesn't take over too much lol.

weak sauce and +scum points for drew.

I think Aisa is likely town. The last time I played with her I picked up scum vibes early, and I don't sense that here. Not conclusive but close anyway.

weak sauce and +scum points for herta. read feels like TMI a bit? if one of them is town, is aisa anyway.

Temporal Lich seems, idk, confused maybe. I lean town on that confusion.

not a single scumread up to this point, other than that early push on me that amounted to nothing and she backtracked everything. still weak still +scum

I got distracted. Honestly yeah, TL's page 10 posts are scummy imo.

VOTE: TemporalLich

bad things by KT.

Just TL and I in the neighborhood. They also said that I (or specifically narrow parking) was a random choice.

There hasn't been much action in the hood, just TL explaining to my former self what a hood is lol. Really no real alignment read from that. I almost feel like they are too scared too give too much away, but their in thread activity has matched their hood activity, so might be nothing big about that.

In thread, seems weird that they are the only real wagon and besides TL's push on Kyo, there been a real push for a counter wagon. I keep going back to TL's sudden read change on Mara, which to me seemed the most scummy thing to happen to that point.

I feel like I am overthinking my way out of a TL voted, but I would prefer to let things play out a bit more.

I kind of like this from Drew, he is still picking up on what's 'objectively scummy' about TL which was the bad progression of the marashu read, while considering other things. this is a more towny look at things, a bit more broad than e.g. how kuzu and herta are posting.

I'm not as sure that Temporal Lich is town as others are that he's scum. I'm not super committed to that read. I'll hammer if NM doesn't. A counter wagon would be nice.

VOTE: yume

more noncomittal stances by herta. this is my strongest scumread at this point in game.

I am townreading Doctor Drew because Doctor Drew has a town mindset... 228 is a good example.

Enchant is very slightly towny still.

and yeah I picked meta-neighbor because neighbor is a quite useful role.

I would still want to elim Kokichi because that would make D2's elim easy and also be very likely to hit scum (though if Kokichi flips town, it actually might be enough to clear Kyoko). Yume would be okay but Day 2 would not be easy as Yume doesn't have any associatives or anti-associatives.

I don't disagree re Yume.

I didn't follow your cases on Kokichi/Kyoko all that well.

I don't really understand the importance of associatives in this game, at least at this point, when we don't know the number of factions and what they are/how big they are.

fair from herta.

Is TL at E-1 still?

I don't want to accidentally hammer but I want to vote them, feel like at this point it is better than Yume.

and yikes from drew.

this game is tough, I think. I'm not clearing anyone after re-reading them. I think the townies should town it up so the game can be simpler.

[Gimli]

NM is still trolling 99% of the time

but drew can be a fine kill

[Enchant]

Which makes question why NM-Pirate even claims guilty.


Just steal from them. Then from town. Win.

[Aisa]

Hi, I am busy right now and haven't read some of the newest posts, but just popping in to reassure that I will definitely be around and able to weigh in in a few hours, before the deadline

[KittyTacky]

did you even read my posts

Yes that's why I changed my mind.

[KittyTacky]

Then why the hell did NM pass hail... I am confused.

VOTE: Drew

If this is town I'm shooting NM for being an "allied" groupscum who faked a guilty on a townie.

[Enchant]

Agreed

[Gimli]

Then why the hell did NM pass hail... I am confused.

VOTE: Drew

If this is town I'm shooting NM for being an "allied" groupscum who faked a guilty on a townie.

so I have an unfortunate lean rn, that KT is actual groupscum and is posturing to line up kills outside of his team.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I only confirm NM alignment. I will not talk about his role. Make whatever you want with it.

did you even read my posts

Yes that's why I changed my mind.

Care to elaborate?

[KittyTacky]

Then why the hell did NM pass hail... I am confused.

VOTE: Drew

If this is town I'm shooting NM for being an "allied" groupscum who faked a guilty on a townie.

so I have an unfortunate lean rn, that KT is actual groupscum and is posturing to line up kills outside of his team.

I'm leashed.

If town has any objections to me doing this, then say it.

As it is I think you're scared scum trying to shade me, a PR with the ability to kill scum, to discredit me.