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Grandpa Mo (1)-

Menalque

KittyTacky (0)-

Morning Tweet (0)-

Dei Ex Machina (0)-

Defective Agency (1)-

imaginality

Doctor Drew (1)-

narrow parking

narrow parking (0)-

Titus (1)-

Doctor Drew

Porkens (3)-

KittyTacky, Titus, Bloodb0t

Menalque (0)-

imaginalty (1)-

Defective Agency

Bloodb0t (1)-

biancospino

biancospino (0)-

Not Voting (4)-

Porkens, Morning Tweet, Dei Ex Machina, Grandpa Mo

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to instantly eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2023-02-27 02:00:00)

- Feb 27th 02:00 GMT

[GrandpaMo]

Pre Edit: Protection of Imaginalty with the only defense being they are mis-elim bait, and offering no more explanation. But mainly mad that I I didn't want to sheep her anymore?? And used that as a way to make me look bad, even though I have made that joke before in games with her, and even alluded to it when I made said post. And even if she thought it was serious and missed the reference(I get it, has been a bit since we played together), she said she didn't want to be sheeped yet........then claimed I made some 180 spin on my read of her when I stopped sheeping here.

I don't care how high she is, even if a random player you never heard of said they would sheep you.....do you take them seriously? If you do take them seriously wouldn't you pressure them right away for that, since it would be a bit odd? If you get the jokiness of the sheep, why would you call them out as she done when said person then makes a case for them.

Just doesn't make sense how Titus has acted, and personally she knows how I can be and thinks that other people who haven't played with me would jump on me if she just lit the spark a bit.

idk see the point of this ? what narrative r u tryning to push im confused here. give me a tldr.

[Dei Ex Machina]

I don’t see the use in fully evaluating this slot until after the promised role reveal, but their ISO feels towny enough.

this is an eh statement.....

I guess I understand why, but I stand by that statement. I'm assuming you're not vanilla, so your role reveal is probably going to have an impact on how I read you. If it's confirmable or strongly AI, then I don't see why I'd want to put work into analyzing your slot until then. If it's not, then I can go back and re-evaluate. I'm not trying to have the whole game solved today.

- Nyx

[GrandpaMo]

I don’t see the use in fully evaluating this slot until after the promised role reveal, but their ISO feels towny enough.

this is an eh statement.....

I guess I understand why, but I stand by that statement. I'm assuming you're not vanilla, so your role reveal is probably going to have an impact on how I read you. If it's confirmable or strongly AI, then I don't see why I'd want to put work into analyzing your slot until then. If it's not, then I can go back and re-evaluate. I'm not trying to have the whole game solved today.

- Nyx

u are reading way too much into it.

[Dei Ex Machina]

How was I supposed to read it?

- Nyx

[GrandpaMo]

How was I supposed to read it?

- Nyx

exactly how someone else read it. keep in the back of your mind. once I do it, you will get it. if I don't do it, call me out on it. just don't make it into a big deal thats all

[Doctor Drew]

Pre Edit: Protection of Imaginalty with the only defense being they are mis-elim bait, and offering no more explanation. But mainly mad that I I didn't want to sheep her anymore?? And used that as a way to make me look bad, even though I have made that joke before in games with her, and even alluded to it when I made said post. And even if she thought it was serious and missed the reference(I get it, has been a bit since we played together), she said she didn't want to be sheeped yet........then claimed I made some 180 spin on my read of her when I stopped sheeping here.

I don't care how high she is, even if a random player you never heard of said they would sheep you.....do you take them seriously? If you do take them seriously wouldn't you pressure them right away for that, since it would be a bit odd? If you get the jokiness of the sheep, why would you call them out as she done when said person then makes a case for them.

Just doesn't make sense how Titus has acted, and personally she knows how I can be and thinks that other people who haven't played with me would jump on me if she just lit the spark a bit.

idk see the point of this ? what narrative r u tryning to push im confused here. give me a tldr.

I have said before I would sheep Titus, I allude to that this game, I then back off that statement for reasons, she says I pulled a 180.

But the main point I was making is that she knows how I play, and she knows I say I would sheep her mainly as a joke, so it doesn't make sense for her to be mad when I stop sheeping her and vote her. And also doesn't make sense if she doesn't remember that, because why take me sheeping you as serious if you don't remember the reference? And why not apply pressure to me when I make to original post about sheeping you?

The tldr of the tldr is, she is being incredibly disingenuous.

[Dei Ex Machina]

How was I supposed to read it?

- Nyx

exactly how someone else read it. keep in the back of your mind. once I do it, you will get it. if I don't do it, call me out on it. just don't make it into a big deal thats all

I don't feel like I'm making it into a big deal, but alright.

- Nyx

[Doctor Drew]

And even the shade she just threw at me.

She just throws it out there in the ether, hoping it will stick and someone will start questioning me.

No explanation of what she is doing, no accountability for her actions when called out, no real content provided, and no real town motivation from her.

Pre Edit: Why does Grandpo seem like the 'I will bully you until you accept my reads' type?

[GrandpaMo]

Pre Edit: Protection of Imaginalty with the only defense being they are mis-elim bait, and offering no more explanation. But mainly mad that I I didn't want to sheep her anymore?? And used that as a way to make me look bad, even though I have made that joke before in games with her, and even alluded to it when I made said post. And even if she thought it was serious and missed the reference(I get it, has been a bit since we played together), she said she didn't want to be sheeped yet........then claimed I made some 180 spin on my read of her when I stopped sheeping here.

I don't care how high she is, even if a random player you never heard of said they would sheep you.....do you take them seriously? If you do take them seriously wouldn't you pressure them right away for that, since it would be a bit odd? If you get the jokiness of the sheep, why would you call them out as she done when said person then makes a case for them.

Just doesn't make sense how Titus has acted, and personally she knows how I can be and thinks that other people who haven't played with me would jump on me if she just lit the spark a bit.

idk see the point of this ? what narrative r u tryning to push im confused here. give me a tldr.

I have said before I would sheep Titus, I allude to that this game, I then back off that statement for reasons, she says I pulled a 180.

But the main point I was making is that she knows how I play, and she knows I say I would sheep her mainly as a joke, so it doesn't make sense for her to be mad when I stop sheeping her and vote her. And also doesn't make sense if she doesn't remember that, because why take me sheeping you as serious if you don't remember the reference? And why not apply pressure to me when I make to original post about sheeping you?

The tldr of the tldr is, she is being incredibly disingenuous.

ill read this later becasuse this is actually intersting

[GrandpaMo]

And even the shade she just threw at me.

She just throws it out there in the ether, hoping it will stick and someone will start questioning me.

No explanation of what she is doing, no accountability for her actions when called out, no real content provided, and no real town motivation from her.

Pre Edit: Why does Grandpo seem like the 'I will bully you until you accept my reads' type?

what i bully me no bully <3

[GrandpaMo]

How was I supposed to read it?

- Nyx

exactly how someone else read it. keep in the back of your mind. once I do it, you will get it. if I don't do it, call me out on it. just don't make it into a big deal thats all

I don't feel like I'm making it into a big deal, but alright.

- Nyx

ur not getting my hint haha . its ok

[narrow parking]

Maybe they can sense I'm about to call them lurkscum?

- Nyx

all 4 of us?

whose alt r u

i don't think ive ever played with u

r u sure

because i have played with you

r u an alt?

[Porkens]

Didn’t get a chance to catch up today and not currently following. Will happen I. The next couple two three days

[Porkens]

At the coast so…

[KittyTacky]

WIll catch up this night, I'm not in a good state of mind today sorry.

[biancospino]

I agree that I look like flailing scum and that it makes sense for Mo to think that.

I wanted to hear from imaginality on TRing me but he's my top scum right now, followed by Porkens. Slight scum on titus and narrowparking.

so people u are twmownreading because u agree with their consensus on you that you aren't posting

This is false. I townread people who I thought were somehow picking up on the quality of my posts being poor because of lack of effort. Never once have I mentioned quantity. Hence mischaracterization.

Pressure is fine and what I expected, I'm okay with being limmed D1.

im not misunderstanding u nor ur misunderstanding me. i dont think there is anything for us to misunderstand here. u called me town because i was scumreading u for the right reasons. i continue to reaffirm that. u then call me scum because u think i was saying something different. i keep telling u what i mean and meant. i am still scumreading u for the original reason that u sounded like flailing scum and ur recent posts have been scummy. do u understanad? or do u need more clarification?

this feels town

but also very gaslighty

for some reason

Ok, so the bolded would mean something pretty soecific. You are implying that GM is trying to deceit Blood into thinking their read on GM were for reasons other than the ones they held at the time and think to have held; but to me it doesn't seem to be the case, if anything it seem to be a faithful, if agressive, outline. Since you made the accusation, surely you have an idea as for why it would be to GM's interest to manipulate Blood as such?

[imaginality]

Hi, got prodded. The weekend got away on me sorry.

Awake for another hour if anyone's around and wants to discuss or ask anything. Otherwise will be more active tomorrow (8 hrs from now).

@imaginality: Why do you townread me?

[Post]145[/post] would have been a convenient chance to hop on my wagon with a nice fresh reason (if you'd faked agreement with DA's "+++scum" comment about me) but you demurred.

[Post]162[/post] seems like something scum wouldn't go to the effort of pointing out.

[Post]155[/post] seems a bit brazen for scum who might be more likely to think "oh but what if town will see this as a bluff?" whereas for town it's just a funny reaction post to make. Admittedly I could see a sneaky scum hoping it would get read as a bluff but get me limmed before you so wouldn't matter after I flip town, but more likely you're just town here.

Also a bit weaker but 165/206/210 seem a bit like the sort of minor confusions/clarifications I feel like town discuss more often than scum. Like not those specific topics but just it's easier to be confused as town because things are more confusing.

[narrow parking]

-snip-

Ok, so the bolded would mean something pretty soecific. You are implying that GM is trying to deceit Blood into thinking their read on GM were for reasons other than the ones they held at the time and think to have held; but to me it doesn't seem to be the case, if anything it seem to be a faithful, if agressive, outline. Since you made the accusation, surely you have an idea as for why it would be to GM's interest to manipulate Blood as such?

its the tone.. i wasn't really directly implying GM is lying abt the reasons for his read, im missing context and i couldn't say from just that post... u also see the aggression; personally i woulda been probably more aggressive, but GM takes a more interesting route of both active and passive aggression in a couple ways:

I'm a noob, maybe nobody should have ever taken me serious. [1]

:shrug: I don't mind if they do or don't. I'm just playing my game and learning as I go.

I decided to change my approach because I got burnt out in my previous games so I'm conserving my energy so I don't have to take another long break.

I don't mean any hostility. Just correcting you where I think you were wrong about me. It's all good bro I just think you're being a little scummy from my newbie perspective, maybe I'm making mistakes but I gotta make them to learn from them.

I'm not demotivated, maybe you were getting that impression because of the distraction I was talking about earlier. I'm having fun. [3]

I was pressured hard in my first 2 games, limmed early and I won anyway, hence being fine with getting limmed early here.

I really feel like you're not being fair [4]

but that's fine, this is a mafia game and you might be scum trying stuff.

Or we just have a misunderstanding [6]

but I am reading you scum. It's all good bro.

im a noob too its ok.

im only pressuring u because u resemble a lot like how i played back then. [1]

this is how i usually play -- its funny because u were townreaidng me hard and now im pressuring u , reaction testing u, and even tried a ATE trap question on u, and

u fell for it [2]

. this me as town tryna figure someone out.

me implying u were demotivated comes from the fact that u have stated multiple times that u was "distracted/lazy" and people wanting to vote u. [3]

im trying my best to fair to u [4]

-- there is slight bias and thats because i do WANT this game to be moving, and so finding u as scumlean then

pressuring u was the only thing to get the game moving [5]

im not misunderstanding u nor ur misunderstanding me. i dont think there is anything for us to misunderstand here. [6]

u called me town because i was scumreading u for the right reasons. i continue to reaffirm that. u then call me scum because u think i was saying something different. i keep telling u what i mean and meant. i am still scumreading u for the original reason that u sounded like flailing scum and ur recent posts have been scummy. do u understanad? or do u need more clarification?

[1] is a kinda double whammy, there's some slight buddying/building rapport, "we're similar, im a noob too, you remind me of me", but the "its ok" reaffirms BB's "maybe no one should take me serious" comment... there's a subtle discredit weaved in with otherwise positive reassurance
[2] "you fell for it" this doubles up on the noob comment imo, but i havent read/ don't remember the ATE trap or whatever so i might be buggin
[3] this is interesting its like he's saying "im taking u at your word", but BB is saying he's not demotivated... a little doublethink here
[4] "im trying to be fair" contextually this reads as "ur buggin out"
[5] u know i had to do it to em
[6] "there's nothing to misunderstand here" is a crazy statement here

so not entirely faithful on GM's side, but not so outrageously so that its a scum ping if that makes sense... levels 2 it ya know?

[biancospino]

Ok, thanks, I just don't agree with the word choice then. [6] is the more appealing of your points I think thou, that is confrontational and it does levy an implied accusation of disonesty. Still not gasligthing by the way I interpret the word, and frankly I don't like the use of such heavily charged lexon but wathever

[narrow parking]

ye gaslighting connotes an intent i didn't mean to imply when i said it, but it still had that vibe somehow ykwim

[Menalque]

Sorry, just poking my head in to say v busy weekend and I’ll be back tomorrow

[BloodB0t]

I agree with all the points made in 468, especially about the buddying thing, the whole "you remind me of me" thing seemed unnecessary. Another thing I don't get is why he brought up his friendship with T3 and Andante

I think GM is just bad at arguing fairly, not sure what to read from that point, could just be part of his personality.

Also I forgot about his promised role reveal during my argument with him, maybe I would have given him more grace for bad arguing in light of that. I agree with the idea of shelving a read on him until the role reveal. 455 and the lead up to it seems weird because I think DEM's approach is totally reasonable.

[Defective Agency]

Hey imag!
What are your reads at rn?
~Janus

Town leans:
Doctor Drew, Dei Ex Machina, Bloodb0t
Menalque
Porkens

Neutral/mixed reads:
biancospino, Morning Tweet

Need more info:
GrandpaMo
Everyone really (no one has done anything super obvscum or obvtown yet)

Scum leans:
narrow parking
KittyTacky
Titus
Defective Agency

Please explain your reads. In particular I want the scumleans as those are generally more useful for scumhunting ime.

I particularly find Imaginality’s Titus’ read interesting, consider she’s been hard defending him. My take is that I’m not a fan of how hard Titus has been pushing Porkens.

~Ms Drew

[Defective Agency]

You vaguely say the Imaginalty wagon will lead to people doing stupid shit.

You don't say it because you believe they are town, but also don't offer up even a tiny bit of explanation to hate the wagon besides 'hey go look over there or something'.

And then when I have an an issue with this double standard, you redirect the heat to me?

I didn't vaguely said it. I outright said it. That is explanation. I know he gets picked on as town. Does that make him town? No. So I didn't say that. I just don't give a shit for easy.

There is no double standard. One is a comparison of meta. The other is fact.

My issue @Titus is your main reasoning for being opposed to Imaginality wagon was you implying he’s often miselimbait but yet you’re practically deathtunnelling Porkens who’s also frequently miselimbait. So yes, I think the double standard accusation here is apt.

~Ms Drew