Mini Theme 2290: Open ChatGPT - Game Over

[Dei Ex Machina]

We are also VT.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

imaginality, you're up.

[imaginality]

I'm a VT.

biancospino, you're up.

[biancospino]

VT. Drew, go

[Doctor Drew]

Vig

[Dei Ex Machina]

And by "vig," do you mean NK-Immune Miller Vig?

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

I know this is an AI-generated setup, but that feels highly implausible. What mod puts in an SK and two town killing roles?

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Unless it's not SK? Did you shoot Morning Tweet? Did you also shoot one of Menalque and Porkens?
I'm very confused right now and I'm inclined to doubt you.

- Nyx

[Doctor Drew]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

[Dei Ex Machina]

I know this is an AI-generated setup, but that feels highly implausible. What mod puts in an SK and two town killing roles?

- Nyx

Not to mention, that means town has/had a full jailkeeper, a supercop that auto-kills its guilties,

and

a vigilante. I'll admit I don't know that much about setup design, but something tells me that's not exactly balanced.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I assumed SK because of the extra kills and the fact that 3p is guaranteed. I guess I could be wrong though.
I think that'd be called Reflexive Redirector. Are you informed of such a role or are you just assuming it?

- Nyx

[imaginality]

Imaginality, I like how much detail you've put into the case on us,

Damning with faint praise.
I do like when caught scum are polite though rather than the more antagonistic style of players, so thank you.

but I worry that you are pushing a specific view of the world.

If you were town you wouldn't be worried about that, you'd know for sure my worldview is limited and wrong. I don't think you're worried about my worldview, I think you're worried KittyTacky will lim you.

Your argument is basically "you defended titus, here are a bunch of instances of you pushing other wagons, you must be scum with titus".

Hmm that's one way of putting it. Another way is "you're the only one of the four of us who defended Titus D2 when mafia had lost one of their PRs and Titus is also a PR so the third mafia is likely just a goon, so they would understandably be reluctant to lose Titus especially with an SK in the game"...
and "here are a bunch of instances of you trying to deflect town away from a Titus wagon, and then lining up a D3 mislim when your counterwagon suggestions didn't take off"...
and "I'm not sure if you're scum but there's a mafia player and an SK left and I don't have a strong lead on who the SK is but I do think you are pretty clearly more likely to be mafia than the other players".

Have you looked at any other aspects of our play or of other slots' play?

Yep. I'm quite sure you haven't missed the posts I made e.g. looking at how people interacted with MorningTweet in 751 for one example. And as mentioned, I wouldn't be so confident you'll flip mafia if it wasn't for the difference in how you treated Titus vs how Drew and biancospino did.

Admittedly I didn't do a whole lot of rereading yesterday given how quickly all the mech claim stuff started happening. I did reread biancospino and redff when it became clear it would likely come down to a choice between them for yesterday's lim.

If

I'm wrong about you being mafia then biancospino is significantly more likely than Drew to be the final mafia given Drew raised suspicions of MorningTweet D1 and pressured Titus more than biancospino did.

You seemed pretty happy with KittyTacky being Titus's buddy back on day 2 (viewtopic.php?p=13675157#p13675157).

Yep. Note Kitty was also off the Titus wagon.

With that in mind, do you still find it suspicious that at some points (not all the time) we considered that KT might be Titus's buddy?

It's not you considering them as buddies that was suspicious. It's how you proposed a Kitty counterwagon, then said they're both town, then said we should speedlim Kitty if Titus flips scum.

If you genuinely suspected them as buddies I'd've thought you wouldn't have been so resistant to a Titus flip.

[Doctor Drew]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I assumed SK because of the extra kills and the fact that 3p is guaranteed. I guess I could be wrong though.
I think that'd be called Reflexive Redirector. Are you informed of such a role or are you just assuming it?

- Nyx

Assuming it because I tried to vig bianco, but they didn't end up dead.

[imaginality]

Oh wow.

Why are you assuming Titus blocked you N2 Drew? I'd've thought it's obvious Kitty was jailkept by Menalque given how D3 went down? So wouldn't that be what blocked you?

I don't know if I buy a scum team with rolecop plus roleblocker plus redirector as balanced?

[Dei Ex Machina]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I assumed SK because of the extra kills and the fact that 3p is guaranteed. I guess I could be wrong though.
I think that'd be called Reflexive Redirector. Are you informed of such a role or are you just assuming it?

- Nyx

Assuming it because I tried to vig bianco, but they didn't end up dead.

And they claimed VT. Theoretically, that should mean one of you is lying then?

- Nyx

[Doctor Drew]

Again I say, why are you assuming SK?

I killed Morning Tweet, I tried vigging Kitty(but maybe was blocked by Titus?), and last night I tried vigging Bianco.

Pre Edit: I know there is a role that if an action happens on them it gets redirected onto someone else, but I don't know the name lol

I assumed SK because of the extra kills and the fact that 3p is guaranteed. I guess I could be wrong though.
I think that'd be called Reflexive Redirector. Are you informed of such a role or are you just assuming it?

- Nyx

Assuming it because I tried to vig bianco, but they didn't end up dead.

And they claimed VT. Theoretically, that should mean one of you is lying then?

- Nyx

I am not even prepared to say Bianco is lying, but all I know is I tried vigging them.

Also this is why I have been so doubtful of the SK.

[imaginality]

I agree with Dei. Given the claims, Drew and biancospino almost certainly can't both be town. Only scenario they could is if mafia had a third PR of some type that could have confused things like redirector or mafia doctor or something. Or a second roleblocker which would be some crazy shit.

A more likely possibility that comes to mind is bianco could be a bulletproof SK?

[biancospino]

@Dei, tonight I was quite possibly jailkept.
I'm more concerned that if there isn't a SK and the extra kill N1 was a Vig, then the extra kill N3 is unexplained. Unless maybe the 3p is a one-shot Vig Survivor or something

[imaginality]

Oh yeah there is the JK possibility too.
Though, I still doubt Menalque went on biancospino given Menalque said "if red then bianco"

[biancospino]

Doesn't imply "if not red then not bianco". But most importantly I'm neither BP nor a reflexive Redirector, so.

[Doctor Drew]

Doesn't imply "if not red then not bianco". But most importantly I'm neither BP nor a reflexive Redirector, so.

So let's chat, assuming we are both telling the truth.

How when I try to vig you.....Menal and Pork end up dying?

This a question to everyone.

[Doctor Drew]

Mech reasons encouraged as well

[Dei Ex Machina]

Well, it's now pretty much confirmed to be one of you.
I'm going to chat with my hydra buddies about which one before I draw any conclusions.

- Nyx

[biancospino]

@Drew, in the word where us both are town, the only credible scenarios I see are there being a Survivor and a mafia busdriver bussing me and one of the nks, or there being a 3p that can kill only once? Otherwise we're missing deaths.

[biancospino]

I don't think we live in that word