Micro 1073: Purgatory - Game Over!

[Alianna]

1.02

Votecount 1.02

Arko (2):

Vanderscamp, Oclaxian Empire.

Oclaxian Empire (2):

BloodB0t, Arko.

KawaiiKame (1):

Ranger.

Aisa (1):

AurorusVox.

AurorusVox (1):

Aisa.

Not Voting (2):

Bellaphant, KawaiiKame.

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to condemn someone to the fiery pits of

hell

.

The phase deadline is in (expired on 2023-03-16 19:40:55).

[BloodB0t]

If there's 'no reason', then wouldn't it technically be NAI since there isn't a scummy or townie reason?

[Oclaxian Empire]

its scummy bc it looks like ur doing something when in reality it does nothing

[Oclaxian Empire]

setup spec looks good. its town motivated, but in this setup theres no reason to do it. its an open. its well documented how to play.

[Oclaxian Empire]

all opens unless never played rlly dont need setup spec. semi opens yes. full opens, not rlly.

[Ranger]

{Arko}
{Aisa}
{Bellaphant}
{Oclaxian Empire, Vanderscamp, AurorusVox}
{KawaiiKame}

End p1.

[Ranger]

{Arko}
{Aisa}
{Bellaphant, Vanderscamp, AurorusVox}
{Oclaxian Empire}
{KawaiiKame}
{BloodB0t}

VOTE: BloodB0t
p2.

[Ranger]

^ is town.

I understand the callout.

I disagree.

{Arko}
{Aisa}
{Bellaphant, Vanderscamp, AurorusVox}
{KawaiiKame}
{Oclaxian Empire}
{BloodB0t}
(I actually think they're partners, distancing.)

[Aisa]

VOTE: Arko

VOTE: Aisa

@Asia, Bella, KK - where those votes at?

VOTE: AurorusVox

why these votes specifically?

I'm gonna ask this question too. I wasn't looking here till now. Aisa, Are you like- Going for an OMGUS vote on Aur? and BB, I mean I understand if you aren't agreeing with the townreads, it could easily come from a sinner (There are 3 of them!) but what's your specific thoughts on me?

Yeah basically, it was a joking RVS vote. I have no reason to suspect Aurorus as of page 2 and have not read past page 2 yet (working on it tho~)

[Aisa]

Spoiler:

grim: i’m calling it’s e-2 so scum cant quickhammer. i dont like

ur phrasing of “its technically NAI”

like it implies that there’s somehow a chance its townie in this setup to setup spec.

realistically, the only setup spec that actually matters is

if it’s better to townhunt or scumhunt the whole game

bc trying to switch between both seems like a bit much.

also, ur reaction to my e-2 vote is interesting and i wanna think abt it.

VOTE: Oclaxian Empire For

nitpicking

and

creating a false dichotomy

.

Personally I think we should scumhunt on days we will be sending people to hell and townhunt on days we will be sending people to heaven, and that people's preferences on this don't really matter all that much. I say take the approach that works best for you.

I also thought Arko's 'reaction' was another NAI thing, and your approach here seems a bit forced.

^ is town.

I TL Bella for this. Stating a read early on, and I, too, understand.

I think I understand Ranger's perspective that BloodB0t could be distancing, too. Idk my read on Blood overall though. I considered Oclaxian Empire + Arko scum together, seems like page 3 could be playful ribbing between teammates. Ironically I think Ranger could also be scum looking for an angle, partnered with one or more of {BloodB0t, Oclaxian Empire, Arko}.

The only actual read I have is the Bella townlean, the rest are scenarios I'm musing but I have no take on their relative likelihood.

[Aisa]

Sorry, I originally skimmed page 3 but on a more careful reread "playful ribbing" is not the right description.

[Ranger]

Idk my read on Blood overall though.

Blood feels forced and overblown, trying too hard but producing too little in terms of genuine thought. The Oclaxian interaction does look like theater to me, but if I had to pick a scum in the duo (rather than both being scum as I suspect) it'd actually be Blood.

Oclaxian's interactions look forced and fake, with the interaction with Blood in particular reeking of scum theater. However, I see at least

flashes

of towniness, where it

could

just be town being aggressive, because I see

potential

genuine thought. Still, it requires straining my eyes to see, so I believe scum's far more likely.

{Arko, Aisa} are my only confident townreads; {BloodB0t, Oclaxian Empire} are my only confident scumreads. Fortunately, per the game mechanics, this should suffice, as we need not have every slot sorted correctly, just

enough

of the slots correctly. Slots who aim to avoid us doing so should expose themselves with time.

[Oclaxian Empire]

heres the real question ranger - why bother with theater over something so utterly mundane and stupid

[Oclaxian Empire]

i’m v. tilted and should not be trusted with anything atm, but i’m going to anyways

[Vanderscamp]

grim: fwiw, i expect the rvs vote to change, and i dont realistically think ull die from my vote, but it did elicit a reaction from u and that’s the thing i wanted from u.

Strong read that OE and Arko are not scum together, I don't think you say "I don't think you'll die from my vote" if your plan is to bus.

[Vanderscamp]

grim: i’m calling it’s e-2 so scum cant quickhammer. i dont like

ur phrasing of “its technically NAI”

like it implies that there’s somehow a chance its townie in this setup to setup spec.

realistically, the only setup spec that actually matters is

if it’s better to townhunt or scumhunt the whole game

bc trying to switch between both seems like a bit much.

also, ur reaction to my e-2 vote is interesting and i wanna think abt it.

VOTE: Oclaxian Empire For

nitpicking

and

creating a false dichotomy

.

Personally I think we should scumhunt on days we will be sending people to hell and townhunt on days we will be sending people to heaven, and that people's preferences on this don't really matter all that much. I say take the approach that works best for you.

I also thought Arko's 'reaction' was another NAI thing, and your approach here seems a bit forced.

I can see OE believing their case as town but I definitely agree with you that I don't agree at all with it.

[Vanderscamp]

u clearly havent played w/ us then, bc that’s a major thing. precisely saying what u mean is important and we will nitpick smth bc its imprecise. thats nai.

I mean, it's not imprecise, you're just reading an implication into it.

Is this really a thing you do, for real?
Because in general I find scum to be waaaaay more precise with their language compared to town.

[Vanderscamp]

Spoiler:

grim: i’m calling it’s e-2 so scum cant quickhammer. i dont like

ur phrasing of “its technically NAI”

like it implies that there’s somehow a chance its townie in this setup to setup spec.

realistically, the only setup spec that actually matters is

if it’s better to townhunt or scumhunt the whole game

bc trying to switch between both seems like a bit much.

also, ur reaction to my e-2 vote is interesting and i wanna think abt it.

VOTE: Oclaxian Empire For

nitpicking

and

creating a false dichotomy

.

Personally I think we should scumhunt on days we will be sending people to hell and townhunt on days we will be sending people to heaven, and that people's preferences on this don't really matter all that much. I say take the approach that works best for you.

I also thought Arko's 'reaction' was another NAI thing, and your approach here seems a bit forced.

^ is town.

I TL Bella for this. Stating a read early on, and I, too, understand.

I think I understand Ranger's perspective that BloodB0t could be distancing, too. Idk my read on Blood overall though. I considered Oclaxian Empire + Arko scum together, seems like page 3 could be playful ribbing between teammates. Ironically I think Ranger could also be scum looking for an angle, partnered with one or more of {BloodB0t, Oclaxian Empire, Arko}.

The only actual read I have is the Bella townlean, the rest are scenarios I'm musing but I have no take on their relative likelihood.

You think page 3 sounded like playful ribbing?

I didn't get that impression at all.

[Vanderscamp]

I would often townread OE for the level of passion because I feel like it's usually towny to be worked up like this, but what OE is saying is just so weird to me that I'm not going to.
This is probably my top scumread because I can definitely see this being scum theatre, but I'm not very confident.

[Vanderscamp]

Also, not that it really matters, but meta is IMO absolutely a good way to read people, because people don't play the same as both alignments, no matter how much they try to.

[AurorusVox]

I actually agree with a few of bbs posts, esp where they said about doing both scum and town hunting and whatever works best for the person. I also didn’t mind the discussion around setup bc I’ve not played it before and I found it helpful to think about. Not super townie etc by any means but valid contributions? and it was in response to vander and also grim of OE got briefly involved too (I guess that’s the challenge of a hydra account) so not sure why arko would be singled out for it.

VOTE: ox

[AurorusVox]

That’s e-2

[AurorusVox]

Not sure how far I buy into it being theatre, but I have a slight townlean on bb so

[AurorusVox]

Like these are good posts imo

I just thought it was a bit suspicious for Arko to gain so much support so quickly for things I thought was mostly NAI (setup spec).

I buy this as a reason for their early vote

Maybe an imprecise use of words could be construed to be more townie, since it could indicate the poster is more careless, and scum tends to be more careful about everything?

I agree with this

If there's 'no reason', then wouldn't it technically be NAI since there isn't a scummy or townie reason?

I also agree with this, like what does scum get out of it if there’s no town reason to do it?

Actually oe did explain an answer to this from their pov - bc it looks like contributing when not providing anything - but look at arko posts in context and it was early doors in rvs (when legit contributions aren’t really expected anyway) and it was in direct response to something vander said

[AurorusVox]

*agree with the second part about scum being potentially more careful, not the first part about imprecision = town