Mafia 85 - Murder at the Bus Stop (game over)


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Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:01 am

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I've already asked for replacement. I was lurking because I couldn't keep up with the game and kept procrastinating. Now that I'm going to be replaced, I don't feel the need to make the effort to catch up. Sorry.


End of Day 4 Votecount:
farside22 (2): armlx, Jebus
Jebus (1): farside22

Not voting (9): Gremwell, Netlava, Zazier, RestFermata, kuribo, Riceballtail, ThAdmiral, Surye, BlakAdder

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Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:20 am

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How do you know who did what? Come on are you seriously saying that you know I wasn't targeted with someone else? SL asked you who you were going to target and you didn't say.
SL couldn't have swapped you and myself, as I am clearly sane and got a scum result. Xtoxm was suspicious of you, meaning he would only swap you with someone likely to be killed, namely SL, who died and couldn't have been swapped, and myself, who I again would not have gotten a guilty on.
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Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:11 am

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Very well.
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Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:07 am

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armlx wrote:
How do you know who did what? Come on are you seriously saying that you know I wasn't targeted with someone else? SL asked you who you were going to target and you didn't say.
SL couldn't have swapped you and myself, as I am clearly sane and got a scum result. Xtoxm was suspicious of you, meaning he would only swap you with someone likely to be killed, namely SL, who died and couldn't have been swapped, and myself, who I again would not have gotten a guilty on.
Are you physic? I mean really is that all you got on this idea is WIFOM. I understand you have a guilty but you are wrong. Also I love how BA just jumped on a BW without comment, especially with what I stated on him earlier.
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Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:09 am

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Well, we have your iffy "maybe I was bus-driven" defense versus a mostly-confirmed cop claiming he has a guilty on you. I'll side with the cop any day.
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Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:51 am

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BlakAdder wrote:Well, we have your iffy "maybe I was bus-driven" defense versus a mostly-confirmed cop claiming he has a guilty on you. I'll side with the cop any day.
I'm thinking of what makes sense to me. There is no "iffy" about it.
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Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:29 pm

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Are you physic? I mean really is that all you got on this idea is WIFOM. I understand you have a guilty but you are wrong. Also I love how BA just jumped on a BW without comment, especially with what I stated on him earlier.
How is that WIFOM?
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Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:30 pm

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armlx wrote:
How do you know who did what? Come on are you seriously saying that you know I wasn't targeted with someone else? SL asked you who you were going to target and you didn't say.
SL couldn't have swapped you and myself, as I am clearly sane and got a scum result. Xtoxm was suspicious of you, meaning he would only swap you with someone likely to be killed, namely SL, who died and couldn't have been swapped, and myself, who I again would not have gotten a guilty on.
You don't know who did what. That is WIFOM in guessing what people would or would not do.
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Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:43 pm

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You don't know who did what. That is WIFOM in guessing what people would or would not do.
No, WIFOM is outguessing people's actions when they have mixed intentions ie. mafiates. What I am doing is making reasonable assumptions about the actions of confirmed town players.
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Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:54 pm

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armlx wrote:
You don't know who did what. That is WIFOM in guessing what people would or would not do.
No, WIFOM is outguessing people's actions when they have mixed intentions ie. mafiates. What I am doing is making reasonable assumptions about the actions of confirmed town players.
Reasonable assuptions is assuming still. Xtoxm didn't trust me that is clear. Who he would switch with me is a question I have no answer for because it is obvious that SL would switch you. Why would you think Xtoxm would not switch me with someone? Makes sense if he thinks I'm scum to switch me with someone? You think xtoxm was town before his alignment was known?
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Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:15 pm

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It makes sense to switch you with someone likely to die, the 2 most logical targets having been cleared of being swapped last night as per my above post, leaving the most likely option as you having NOT been swapped.
You think xtoxm was town before his alignment was known?
I did not, but this is completely irrelevant.
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Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:44 pm

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armlx wrote:It makes sense to switch you with someone likely to die, the 2 most logical targets having been cleared of being swapped last night as per my above post, leaving the most likely option as you having NOT been swapped.
You think xtoxm was town before his alignment was known?
I did not, but this is completely irrelevant.
Not everything is clear to me. I see anything as possible when I know you are wrong. Should I just claim now or wait for more votes?
Meh if all you going to do is use your claim of guilty without thinking about the logic of a bus driver I will claim now to stop this argument.
I am vig. I targeted Xtoxm because I thought he was scum.
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Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:53 pm

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Cool.

Self vig tonight please.

Moving along, I'll look back and see what I think.
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Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:53 pm

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Oh, also, other targets plz?
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Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:39 pm

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armlx wrote:Cool.

Self vig tonight please.

Moving along, I'll look back and see what I think.
You want me to shoot myself? Is that anti or even possible? I never thought a vig would shoot himself. I shot al4 night 3. I have to look at my out box for night 1 and night 2.
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Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:51 pm

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You want me to shoot myself? Is that anti or even possible? I never thought a vig would shoot himself. I shot al4 night 3. I have to look at my out box for night 1 and night 2.
Self targeting is perfectly legal and if you are town increases the town's chance of winning by basically giving us a free kill that would be used on you.

I'll wait on those other choices.
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Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:53 pm

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The math BTW.

12 alive, assuming we lynch you town gets 5 kills max (Lynch at 12, 10, 8, 6, 4) You self vig, we get a lynch at 12, kill at 11 that would have otherwise been a lynch, lynch at 9, 7, 5, 3. 6 total kills.
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Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:04 pm

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so, wait are we going to lynch him or is he going to vig himself?
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Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:07 pm

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[quote="ThAdmiral"]so, wait are we going to lynch him or is he going to vig himself?[/quote

Self vig. If farside is alive tomorrow, then the hammer gets dropped.
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Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:55 pm

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I don't know about the vig claim. Farside could be the serial killer, too, because we clearly have one of those running around.
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Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:02 pm

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Iiiiiin fact... read the flavor.

Xtoxm had his throat cut.

Let's assume that the mafia tends to shoot:

Night 1- Moratoriam shot (mafia), Sir Tornado stabbed multiple times (SK)
Night 2- Empking SWORDED~!, Shanba shot (mafia)
Night 3- Muerrto (claimed doc) shot (mafia), Alabaska SWORDED~!, al4xz stabbed in the neck
Night 4- Xtoxm throat cut, springlullaby shot.

So am I on to something, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

Either way, we don't lynch farside today: If farside is the SK, we need to smoke out the mafia first and take farside out during the endgame.
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Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:08 pm

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Target no one night 1. targeted Jebus night 2. Looks like wall-e protected Jebus that night. I thought jebus and still think Jebus is scum. I thought Wall-E was a possible scum doc. And yes I know games that have scum doctors.
I don't see how shooting myself helps the town in this case Armlx. If we miss lynch today what is the chances of scum win? Shouldn't I shoot someone who seems or is possible scum then myself or not shot at all if we mislynch.
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Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:27 pm

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I don't see how shooting myself helps the town in this case Armlx. If we miss lynch today what is the chances of scum win? Shouldn't I shoot someone who seems or is possible scum then myself or not shot at all if we mislynch.
Uhhh.. no.

Again, you fail to realize we are going to lynch you. The point of you self vigging is so we can use that lynch on someone else instead. If you don't want to self vig, we can just do it for you now, but if you are town realize that doing so is costing us a kill.
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Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:36 pm

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kuribo wrote:I don't know about the vig claim. Farside could be the serial killer, too, because we clearly have one of those running around.
So armlx - did you receive a mafia result, or a guilty/evil result. Because I could definitely see him being the sk rather than mafia.
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Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:19 pm

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So armlx - did you receive a mafia result, or a guilty/evil result. Because I could definitely see him being the sk rather than mafia.
The later. I'm definitely leaning Farside as SK now.
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